ILX decides the Poll. 70s Rock Poll vs 70s all genre poll.

all genre 70s poll has already been done, both on ilx and elsewhere. not sure why ppl moaning that a rawk poll would exclude stuff that doesn't rawk. did ppl go on the joni mitchell poll and raise hell that they couldn't vote for linda ronstadt???

well i'm not bothered either way I'll run it as how people vote for and people can express the thoughts here rather than mucking up a nominations thread.

who is defining "rock" how?
is that the issue here?

We've had two 70s album polls (all genre), one of which was run by me. Don't see how an all genre poll here would differ much from those. Rock on, you guys.

i would prefer a rock poll, as opposed to an all genre, which would probably end up being too fractured and ultimately useless.

i know jf but some want another and rather than arguments spoiling the noms thread people can decide here what they want and hopefully will stop a nominations thread being ruined.

ha so basically this is something to point timellison to when he comes along to pretend he doesn't understand in what way do judas priest rock more than jackson browne

tbf he hasn't said anything on the thread. It was others.

i have no preference so won't vote but whatever the result i'd probably nominate the same records as i am am not entirely sure what rock is.

i guess answer A and i'll try to figure it out as we go along.

AG just put your foot down, the poll creator gets Papal infallibility with these things imo.

Don't think the noms thread was that bad anyway apart from one guy maybe needing to chill? The discussions about what is or isn't in are healthy & interesting up to a point imo (& 70s prob is trickier to pick apart than 80s in terms of rock) but at some stage it's fine for the person in charge to step in and say how it's going to be.

It's not just rock, it's rock that rocks, i.e. no fucking Jackson Browne

like stirmonster says with an allgenre poll we can still nominate and vote for the same stuff we would anyway.

but the reason for a rock poll was for something different but whatever you guys vote for i'll go with. I get to vote for funk n stuff in an all genre so i can make a good ballot either way and there shouldnt be any arguments over what should be in the poll, noone can just blame me and there shouldnt be any butthurt "im not voting now" crap. Everyone has a chance to state their case and vote.

Thankfully Sonic Youth didn't exist in the 70s so at least that argument doesn't happen

ha !

'No Fucking Jackson Browne - it's the 70s rock-that-rocks results thread!'

Ok I'll stop doing this now.

nobody nominated jackson browne did they? lol

Just making sure

Actually I nominated a Billy Joel related record so what do I know

Rock poll. We can work out what is and isn't rock, if not it'll sort itself out in the voting.

Fwiw I'm personally very much ok with 'non-rock that rocks' being included in this, in a similar way to how a lot of industrial/EBM leaning stuff made the 80s results. That can actually throw up some really interesting music, but it needs people to make the case for it or at least nominate it & see what happens, rather than just taking some lame 'how can we ever really differentiate and who are you to decide anyway?' type position.

i think that one fitted in though.

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the sort itself out in voting doesnt always work.

plus you could have an all genre poll and just vote for stuff that rocks regardless. it would be the same thing

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I think there is a third option, which is a poll of music which rocks, whether or not it is rock (a poll which would also end up excluding some rock). However, I mostly lean in that direction because I don't like that much rock to begin with.

yeah i love rem and maybe wouldn't have been annoyed at seeing them pop up somewhere (would've rmde but whatever) but fables is arguably the least rocking album they made in the 80s.

the 3rd option is kinda what we were aiming for. I just didn't realise the 70s canon was more engrained in ilxors than an 80s one which has led to some wanting an all genre poll to re-affirm their favourites.

Look A_G I don't really have the ability to discern between what rocks and doesn't rock. I am a bit of an asperger type apparently. I try my best but sometimes fall short. The lack of ciggies didnt help either!

Don't see any point in an all-genre poll given we've already done that; the only decade that hasn't been polled is the 00s I think. I'd suggest being strict with whatever subjective criteria you come up with. No Loaded, no Steve Reich, no Can.

There was no arguments over Can! Everyone accepted them.

I agree with Seandalai, none of those things rock, at least not to my ears. I go by gut instinct on these things though.

It was arguments over stuff like Rolling Stones, Bob Seger, Springsteen, VU - Loaded. And some just wanted a poll that wasn't just rock

yeah some wanted shuggie otis and john martyn, comus.
so this poll can decide what we do rather than wasting a noms thread.

the all-time polls were a top 100 iirc so a much larger rollout would mean everyone was happy having their fave albums in the spotlight. I refer to what balls said earlier

would love to see something similar to this for the 70s, maybe ease anti-rolling stone canonicity a little but tighten RAWK parameters. i think if results were around top 400 the multitude of zeppelin and sabbath wouldn't be quite as anticlimactic.

that could apply to either poll really re the canon albums

I like the idea of non-rock stuff being included so long as it has rocking qualities, the third option basically. Fwiw I'd say yes to the Stones, Seger and Comus and no to the others - Springsteen is a tougher one, maybe not his first two albums but Darkness on the Edge of Town rocks a fair bit.

I loved the 80's poll once I got into it but I'm going to vote for all-genre for 70s because I am still a pathetic mainstreamer at heart

This poll provides a beautiful opportunity to mine the pre-Carducci aesthetic. Let's not turn it into "man, the '70s sure had a lot of great records!"

Can rocks, you dicks

I vote for a 70s R&B poll

I was thinking a top 800 goth tracks poll would be awesome, but there needs to be a way of avoiding the top 350 being entirely made up of songs by the cure

so that's my write in vote who's with me

Don't see any point in an all-genre poll given we've already done that; the only decade that hasn't been polled is the 00s I think. I'd suggest being strict with whatever subjective criteria you come up with.

Basically agree with this. I like the idea of a 'music that rocks' poll or basically another hard/heavy/noisy rock poll (how I saw the other one). I just didn't think the boundaries were as clear with this one. One thing that really helped with the 80s poll is that you started out in the OP with quite a bit of detail as to what would be included (all metal, including pop-metal; only the heavier or noisier end of indie rock, with several examples of bands that fit and bands that didn't; punk, as long as it wasn't too poppy; a list of other things that wouldn't fit). In this case, we had to extrapolate from the 80s poll, which is harder to do. Plus, the emphasis on 'anti-RS' in the title (instead of 'albums that rocks') might have been confusing.

Whatever gets decided Comus needs to be eligible b/c Comus are as evil heavy as evil heavy gets without a drum kit on the premises.

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ILX 70s album poll - results
TURN THIS MUTHA OUT! It's the Alternate 1970s Albums Poll on ILX — Results Thread

Can someone tattoo this across my back?

no point in running a poll if you exclude stuff.

― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, December 1, 2009 3:09 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

jf clearly in favour of an all-genre poll then

Maybe you could only exclude the 201 albums that placed in the previous two polls.

I think it kind of goes against the ilm spirit to patrol genre borders too zealously, but on the other hand there's no point in running the poll if it just throws up a slightly shuffled version of previous polls. So I skew towards "70s Rock Poll", but let the voters decide what they think fits.

That would also get us lots of canon, sure, but I think with a 400- or 500-album rollout we'd get tons of obscure awesomeness to delve into for weeks and months afterward.

Anyway, for the next little while I'll be concentrating on the 90s electronic poll (which at least in terms of tracks looks likely to be the 90s DANCE poll in disguise, so yay for that) but if the nominations thread reopens I'll make it a point to pop in.

yeah i voted in that

I mean, I think someone like Scott could pull 20 records out of the ether in 30 seconds that would blow our minds and that we've never heard or likely even heard of.

xpost JUST OVER 24 HOURS LEFT TO VOTE FOLKS, YOUR VOTE MATTERS etc etc.

x-post to AG:

Even though Scott himself won't participate, I'll bet a lot of us who will, though, do have at least a handful of '70s treasures that aren't widely known. As long as we champion those (the way you did with the great early doom records in the '80s poll), I think we'll get a lot of interesting variety. I just re-read the now-locked nominations poll, and there are already a TON of things on there that I have no idea about, and that are piquing my curiosity. I think things only started to go downhill when people started being self-consciously contrarian and trying to stretch the boundaries in a way they (rightfully) anticipated would ruffle a bunch of feathers. Most people seemed to have gotten your point pretty well.

so can we agree on anything?

I kinda wish a few of us could get together and make a shortlist of some of the stuff we want then post it and people *try* to nominate other similar stuff, with edward and i vetoing anything we believe doesnt fit (i have finalsay obviously).

So i was thinking apart from edward and i would balls,hellhouse , sund4r care to help with that and would anyone else like to join in?

Clarke you in?

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that is the key thing. That poll worked because people campaigned for obscure stuff. Campaigning really works and is vital to the success

Agreed... What led me to check out records in the '80s thread most was those impassioned and articulate campaigning-style testimonials, rather than the mere presence of records I'd never heard of. I mean, how could you read something like this and not want to immediately hear the record? (From Edward III) "early swans was all about brutality, and public castration is the purest distillation. everything gira had done prior was a build-up to that material, and after the wave broke and receded they'd never get back there again. as an absurd reduction of rock's dionysian din to its elemental roots in the suffering of the blues, it exists outside of genre with even a barely tangential relationship to music itself. yet it's so compelling, sounds so massive, hasn't aged at all, and I still haven't heard a more harrowing record. a leviathan."

AG, I'd ostensibly be willing to help out with that, sure, sounds fun... My only hesitations are: (1) I'm pretty steeped in the '70s, but I'm by no means familiar with oodles upon oodles of things; and (2) my job keeps me away from a computer for hours at a time during the work week.

Yup. That's why I do wish Skot could be persuaded to participate because him and others do that sort of thing really well. Even if it was just to nominate albums and discuss them, he doesn't have to vote if he doesn't want to! Him, smithy,phil, noodle vague,chuck, george ,pashmina and a host of others may all hate polls but they love discussion so its a real shame they won't discuss anything on the poll threads. I just want wider ilx to discover lots of good music that most of us are unaware of. And everyone has valuable opinions. Its not just about lists, the discussion is the best part.

The 80s poll discussions were great. Polls do not automatically equal rubbish discussion. Its who takes parts and how much one puts in. I cant articulate like all these guys (and edward,hellhouse,nakh and others) but thankfully I don't need to. I think most get the passion I have for the music and its enough while others do the great posts.

Would love it one day if we could have a poll that every regular on ilm would nominate,discuss and vote in. The all-time poll didn't even get that.

Clarke thats why lots of us could pool together to do something then let the rest of ilx join in.
We already have the start of a noms list anyway. We can go through that and add/remove stuff.

Sure, I don't mind helping with a shortlist, although this is true of me as well:

I'm pretty steeped in the '70s, but I'm by no means familiar with oodles upon oodles of things

I also strongly support changing the name from "Anti-Rolling Stone Albums Poll" to something like "70s Heavy Rock Poll".

but like the 80s poll its not exclusively 'heavy'

Even "70s Albums That Rock Poll" isn't bad.

'Orrible rock of the 70s

That's pretty good.

yeah, better.
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hah

"Very 'Eavy, Very 'Umble Rock of the 70s"?

I think we will stick with 'Albums That Rock'
I assume no-one wants (to help with) a tracks poll?

yeah i'll help, fwiw i'll probably be pretty liberal and catholic in letting stuff in cuz i think w/ 70s even borderline stuff is gonna rawk in ways that borderline stuff in the 80s didn't. just a reflection of the decades and rock's centrality to it. eg i was gonna nominate the first or second mother's finest album and then i listened to them and decided that on second thought the albums as a whole didn't rock hard enough to submit BUT if someone else nominated i wouldn't veto mother's finest. also think that 80s poll success may have been due to it being top 400 as opposed to top 100 so would very much argue for a huge results list again. somehow just having it in the runner up tally at the end isn't the same. would also maybe argue for relatively brief nominating period (just long enough so most ilxors get a shot, 2-3 days i'd argue but end of week at latest) but relatively long voting period (like ballots due by halloween maybe or maybe even election day in usa), alot of this stuff might be hard to track down and there's alot to consider etc and i know some ppl (eg me w/ 80s poll) might think 'there's no way i have enough time to deal w/ that' but if due date is far off enough they might be thinking of it on coffee breaks, on commute, whatever and be able to throw a ballot together.

xpost - nominate 'into the void: ilx 70s rawk poll - metal, punk, buttrock, acid burnouts, aor and more. rip lester bangs' for poll title!

not doing tracks poll does feel weird but doing tracks poll seems like minefield. i mean i think we can agree that elton john and donna summer don't belong in albums poll but there's totally stuff i'd allow (but i'm not sure others would) in tracks poll.

also think that 80s poll success may have been due to it being top 400 as opposed to top 100 so would very much argue for a huge results list again. somehow just having it in the runner up tally at the end isn't the same.

BINGO

See in a tracks poll Saturday Nights All Right For Fighting or Crazy Horses or Devil Woman or Rock On totally belong.

mother's Finest would get in under funk rock tbh. Very much in the Funkadelic lineage.

Anyone want to try persuade Scott,chuck and others to join in?

Anti Parochial Music Press 70's Rock Poll? How long to you guys re-open the nomination thread? I have dug up a few albums I would love to nominate.

well if the rest of us can get together on FB or something just now and get something done tonight then I can start a new thread as soon as i can.

xpost - nominate 'into the void: ilx 70s rawk poll - metal, punk, buttrock, acid burnouts, aor and more. rip lester bangs' for poll title!

Really like this one.

we can discuss that too. sund4r any of these guys on your fb?

That is a well cool title!

I could help you w/the nominations. I'm also far more conversant w/the 80s than the 70s, but I have a few things in mind.

just need to get your FB then. I emailed edward with the username i have.

or webmail me your email addy and i'll get back to you

Tracks poll please!

not enough time passed between 80s rock monster poll and the sequel. i'm kinda burnt out on rock polls at the moment or else i would've considered casting a ballot. if a 90s equivalent happens in a month or 2 i'm dtf.

in case anyone cares.

hellhouse you didnt give me your email in webmail.

there is no way to contact you or find you

we've sorted most things out so the nominations should start tonight

Cool. Is the existing thread just getting unlocked? I thought we made a decent start and maybe even fuckwits like me are a bit more in tune to the poll now! I swear someone hacked my account. Honest I never nommed Pink Moon ;)

nah a new one with a new name. And we will need to play hardball with some stuff. So no nick drake folk (and i love that stuff)

I think im gonna allow guitar based funk like Slave,isleys just because it usually gets overlooked. Why? because its my poll!

the way i discussed it with the others was "its the equivalent of industrial in the 80s poll" it will all be like the 200+ mark but hey!

but will make the results a wee bit weirder along with the nww/slapp happy type stuff

also i think im less likely to veto obscure stuff as long as a good case is made. Which is what chuck is great at.

and the shoes will be allowed. the heavier end of power pop as tim asked for.

nominate 'into the void: ilx 70s rawk poll - metal, punk, buttrock, acid burnouts, aor and more. rip lester bangs'

This has to be the title, its fucking beautiful.

that can be its subtext!

1967-1979 WTF - The Hard 'n' Heavy 'n' Loud + Krautrock, Arty, Noisy, Weird, Funky, Punky Shit - Albums Poll! Nominations ! (ends Oct 15)