@hateindierock - opposed to the bourgeois selfish privilege orgy that is modern corporate youth culture worldwide

this popped up in the last few days and definitely deserves a thread: https://twitter.com/hateindierock

some of my favorite points:

Anti-intellectualism in this country is oppressive. Look at the modern band. Which of them are positing interesting ideas?

Questioning everything in your culture can only help make it better

Blogs like Pitchfork are written by and to children who were told they could be anything they wanted when they grew up

Really frustrating thing is that people think none of this matters, that their culture is just some incidental thing that has no consequence

But almost everyone has their culture mediated by the same three corporations now. That's the beginning of a dystopian sci fi novel

Not being into mediocre gibberish made by people with nothing to say shouldn't sound so radical.

Speaking from the heart is now so easily confused with satire that the moral universe is in danger of collapsing

Publicists and other parasitic ancillary enterprises are basically the only people making money in the so-called music business now

Kickstarter projects are a sad mixture of socialist grovelling and capitalist solipsism

Free culture advocates are fooling themselves

Rating records on a scale of 1 to 10 is for the sexually insecure

Vice magazine's success is predicated on the idea that you aren't very secure in our own identity

Jazz is a dead language because no one wants to address unspeakable feelings that we all have

Pitchfork is staffed by college students that don't know anything about life outside of what they read on the internet

The modern music press is governed by antidepressants and student loan debt

Let's instead discuss the ubiquity of so-called indie rock. It's used in every advertisement now, it's even invaded hip hop culture.

Rock and roll didn't use to pour out of every available media orifice. You had to look for it; when it did appear on TV it was clumsy

But decades of assimilation have created a culture with no real underground. This has happened because of "cross overs"

Twenty years ago, they convinced your band to sign to DGC, now they want you to sell your song so it can go in a Quizno's ad

This is the most insidious epidemic in youth culture today, or maybe tied for first with video games, which no adult should ever play.

thoughts? i'm really excited someone else feels this way.

wut

speaking truth to power. inspring.

it's true that every time i have to rate an album for pitchfork i think about my sex life

"The modern music press is governed by antidepressants and student loan debt" forgot adderall

RT Jazz is a dead language because no one wants to address unspeakable feelings that we all have

xpost way to nitpick and avoid the larger issue...that our youth culture is morally indifferent, ironically detached, ineffectual, and completely facile. music critics/p4k are absolutely part of the problem.

hav u tried twitter tho

xp yeah J0rdan way to nitpick and avoid the larger issue that you are scum and are ruining the youth of America

well since i play video games, i might as well go all the way

seems like a healthy mix of good points and contrarian bullshit

@hatenudespock

over tweeting will be their downfall.

oh hey u guys found my new twitter glad u like it

I Hate Indie Rock ‏@hateindierock
This is the most insidious epidemic in youth culture today, or maybe tied for first with video games, which no adult should ever play.

a particularly salient point if i do say so myself

that our youth culture is morally indifferent, ironically detached, ineffectual, and completely facile

as opposed to?

i mean aside from "spazzmatazz"

c'mon we're not COMPLETELY facile

like 2 or 3 of these are otm just for stupid reasons

this criticism of pitchfork, lol does it take place in 1999?

anyway i can't believe i'm taking the troll bait, this thread doesn't even apply to me, i'm listening to "done by the forces of nature" right now

Acknowledge your own history.

SENT TO EARTH TO EDUCATE THE FOOL

can't help but feel like this twitter is transparently written by someone disappointed by their own level of success in the music industry

"mediocre gibberish made by people with nothing to say shouldn't sound so radical"

i'm kinda sympathetic. american pop culture does seem to promise the availability of fame + financial success to anyone, and politically blames failures for inadequacies in competing in the meritocratic market. speaking of adults, tho, an adult understands that this promise is illusory - like the promise that anyone could win the lottery. if you want to play you buy a ticket and hope you're lucky, but when you lose it's nagl to go on twitter and complain about how the lottery industry only gives winning tickets to mediocre game players.

our "youth culture" is a bunch of people buying things to build their personal brands while frantically guzzling entertainment to drown the nagging knowledge that they are no longer citizens, just like the rest of our culture; in the dictionary next to "myopic" is a picture of a person blaming this situation on grizzly bear

(and thinking it'd help if pitchfork dot com stopped rating albums out of ten and instead just published unadorned the freewheeling and personable longform criticism for which it is so famous)

that said

When you sell your song to Quizno's, no new art is being created.

i dunno about passion pit's but MY eyes have certainly been opened

our "youth culture" is a bunch of people buying things to build their personal brands while frantically guzzling entertainment to drown the nagging knowledge that they are no longer citizens, just like the rest of our culture; in the dictionary next to "myopic" is a picture of a person blaming this situation on grizzly bear

contrast to ancient rome when they, you know, built aqueducts and shit

this kind of shit is the exact flip of ppl taking indie rock too seriously as a good thing

indie rock doesnt really matter like that

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some of these are on the money and some are not

regardless it's just someone on the internet with opinions

is spazzmatazz your nephew or something, buzza?

loled when he responded to this one with something like "It's funny Mr. Cohen should chime in. I have a great story to relate to him and his employers later" and then deleted the tweet half an hour later

Free culture advocates are fooling themselves

Rating records on a scale of 1 to 10 is for the sexually insecure

30 years ago a child would kick a ball on the street.

I've always felt that the Internet needed more hate.

20 years ago children played in the street and Pitchfork would at least give them a 6.5.

this makes me nostalgic for pitchfork reviews reviews RIP

rip david shapiro & the magnetic 0.0s

WAIT WHOA. Someone is tweeting anonymously about indie rock? Let's all talk about it!

EVERYBODY GET IN HERE

Jazz is a dead language because no one wants to address unspeakable feelings that we all have.

*plop*

wait is this a poll? do we pick one?

But almost everyone has their culture mediated by the same three corporations now. That's the beginning of a dystopian sci fi novel

my choice

call me dat ishmael. I live in FUTURESTATE. all of our culture is mediated by universal, Warner bros, and Kraft foods.

already hooked

I am pretty surprised that there haven't been bands named 'weyland yutani' or 'omni consumer products' ... yet

Not being into mediocre gibberish made by people with nothing to say shouldn't sound so radical.

It really does drive home what a small and insular community with a massively inflated sense of self worth indie rock is. Every time some one starts something like this, time stops because somene decided to engage with THE CULTURE for more than 10 minutes

I'm a reasonable person. Explain to me what I'm being accused of and how my 'behaviour RIGHT NOW' is reinforcing that?

I believe I'm being accused of stalking WCC's twitter bc I'm noting on ILX that she's posting about me on it. I don't see how reading someone's public twitter is stalking, and how being concerned about what is being said about you is misogynistic. Please unpack it for me.

this is why i don't follow anyone on twitter. except that one guy who made me follow him. but at least he's a world-renowned poet who writes about pop cultural detritus in a post-exxon/mobil universe.

Can you see that your behaviour RIGHT NOW is just reinforcement of what you've been accused of?

serious lulz

sorry nick but youre wrong here

http://i50.tinypic.com/9ql6c5.png

btw, here's the horrible, terrible misogynistic thing I wrote on my twitter:

http://i50.tinypic.com/69f3mh.png

once again the baby boomers are to blame, they're the ones who made music out to be this serious. or maybe it was those damn mid-century cultural critics. either way someone's gotta pay for whatever this guy's deal is.

baby boomers are responsible for Steve Winwood 12" extended remixes.

sadly mordy certain people who abuse you in public like twitter have one rule for themselves and one rules for others. They wont even let you fight back without playing the victim despite it being them who started it. You will find its happened to lots of former ilxors.

Mordy, I have no idea what started this, or whether you're in the right or in the wrong, but the best way to handle it would be to walk away and stop posting about it.

in other words ignore it

co-sign

Mordy, my apologies: I've had a fucking awful day and haven't behaved well here. I'm sorry. My Boomtown Rats post had nothing to do with anything outside of this thread, though.

it's fine. this hasn't been a shining moment for me either. i'm just going to let this whole thing drop and forget about it.

Agreed.

so which one of you is @hateindierock?

Lex.

I'm enjoying @hateindierock pretty well, if for nothing else than nostalgia for alt.rec.misc.sociology.music, or whereever it was where we did this stuff back before the web, but after college dorm-rooms. But I think this kind of thing almost always falls apart when it gets to specifics. And Link Wray doesn't count. I hate Grizzly Bear just as much as the next guy (even before I see the xpost), but I don't think they're making music for beer money or oil money or Quiznos or whatever, and I don't think we'll get anywhere useful by assuming their fans are defined by insecurity or insincerity or insolvency. At least no more than Link Wray's were and are.

In fact, turn it around: You'll only understand why people seem to put with music you despise if you can get inside those people and hear the music with their ears, from within their lives. And to do that you have to accept the humanity and earnestness of those lives, and once you do that, you'll understand how that music can be great, or even necessary. And once you do that, it's yet another effort to climb back into your own life, and understand with the same kind of perspective how the music you love can be great and necessary. And after a few such iterations, learning how to love new things, you realize that this is kind of the meaning of life.

But it's hard, and thus it shouldn't be very surprising that there's such an industry in selling people easy packaged facsimiles of this difficult and time-consuming experience. But is Chipotle bad because the little taqueria you like better is better, or good because anything is better than Taco Bell? A @hatechipotle blog might have the same sort of Pump Up the Volume charm, too, but if you bite into a great burrito and what you're thinking to yourself has anything at all to do with Chipotle, then I think you haven't quite got the point yet.

I read this from one of the tQ writers a few weeks back and didnt hate it, a much more lucid voicing of some of the same concerns

http://riotofperfume.com/3215/swans-and-why-a-continent-has-sunk-into-musical-myopia/

don't real-time stalk my public microblog, bro

http://www.animated-gifs.eu/time-cuckoo-clocks/0003.gif

It's not directly related but I think Windy's farewell-to-live-shows piece I've been talking about today here and elsewhere parallels certain concerns:

https://www.facebook.com/notes/windy-weber/the-last-waltz/10151109769138732

(imo at least)

fwiw, Mordy, w/o taking sides, because, again, I don't know the context, I don't really understand how one can "stalk" a twitter. Nonetheless, walk away.

Glenn, I loved that, and I am in fact eating a burrito at this very moment.

Also, if there's a movement to revive Jackin Pop this year, I'll tabulate it.

im now stocking mordy and wcc on twitter

gotta stock em all

cant stalk just one

prepare to face the repercussions http://i.imgur.com/yozKQ.png

Nice glove, jerk!

#irlconsequences

noooooo

once you stalk, you can't stop!

smh at this

I don't know that much but I know enough to know that the manifesto at the top of this thread is unreadable 6thformer gubbins. If the incumbent revolutionary Twitter Twat is over 30 years old like some have suggested, they seriously need to grow the fuck up.

I am sorry I can't add anything intelligent to this debate, but that is one of the biggest fucking piles of shite I have ever seen on the internet.

I Hate Indie Rock ‏@hateindierock
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This person needs to discover metal

Oh I bet he does

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpf6gJU3520

hes reading Sanctuary!

If I was a young teenager again, I think I would spray paint on an alleyway wall;

The Internet Is full Of The Sad Uptight

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So he/she wants to start a "computer publication" highlighting underground / alternative music. Which is how p4k started, right?

every generation gets the altered zones it deserves

So.. wait, does this people hate indie rock or love it or what?

they love it and want to marry it but can't stop talking about that guy it went out with once in high school and how lame he was

self-hating indie rockers are the worst imo

INDIE GUILT, TWIT LARGE

xpost and i'm one of them, so...

LOL tracer