Finally Rich - Chief Keef

Is anyone else excited for this release? how do you guys rate keef atm? I'm not certain if the wikipedia page is correct but all of the tracks which are supposedly confirmed sound great to me! Young Chop is producing once again and it sounds like he is in fine form. looking forward to juicy j and chief keef collab.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJqbcJUmQs4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWyHZNBz6FE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ossSWj17Jnk

Not to harsh your buzz, but this guy's affect is so flat it's a wonder he's still alive.

haha.. i find that to be part of his appeal... i found this article really good , gives an insight into the kind of world which keef lives in.. (http://www.thefader.com/2012/08/21/chief-keef-lost-boys/)
"The people around him may be trying their best, but it’s clear someone stopped raising him long before he needed to be finished being raised."

keef is one of chicagos zombie youth - to me his lack of emotional engagement is what makes his music unsettling.

Gonna get boring fast if he turns into rapping a kit shopping.

about shopping

i guess the value of that is in the eye of the beholder BUT you can't on the one hand defend keef against heavy criticism because he just raps about his life/environment and then turn around and say that he should still be rapping about that stuff even tho he got himself out

yeh.. word.. i'm curious, what do you personally think of keefs form/potential in the lead up to his big release?

and i suppose in that case you could still criticise him on the basis of the kind of environment he is choosing to surround himself with , and the kind of insight and relationship he has with that environment

hang on.. its not so much the environment hes in.. but the way he relates to and his music explores the environment

if that makes any sense

'explores' is definitely too heavy of a word for keef

I just want a great album. We'll take it from there.

Not to harsh your buzz, but this guy's affect is so flat it's a wonder he's still alive.

― Raymond Cummings, Sunday, November 11, 2012 12:09 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah getting soulja boy flashbacks over here, "love sosa" is much like "turn my swag on" where i'm like hmmm this might do something for me if an engineer had said 'ok one more take -- with feeling!'

Turn My Swag On is so far ahead of anything Keef has done - I don't find Soulja Boy a flat performer at all, he has a crucial energy that Keef lacks

I find the idea that 'I Don't Like' lacks energy a strange one.

I find the idea that Chief Keef should rap with more energy and feeling a strange one.

well i was talking specifically about "Love Sosa" not his whole oeuvre

"turn my swag on" is probably better than anything keef has ever done, yeah

but really... who's keeping score amirite?

every interview w/him is all 'lol teenagers'

I mean, to be fair, there's been at least one early single of his that was ok

so yeah, this album is really good. Now I understand why Interscope stood by him.

he's gonna be around for a bit

yeah, that seems certain now. And I have mixed feelings about that, but damn, if he can make an album like this at age 17, maybe he deserves to.

I get the Flockaveli comparisons to an extent, but for me the big difference is Flocka is very charismatic in his way, and he brings a fun energy. Keef is just vile dude with a bitter presence. Kind of amazing he parlayed that into such an effective album.

he's a much better artist than anyone ever gave him credit for. very clearly not just riding on the tails of "i don't like" but slowly pushing his sound outward

i don't find keef that "vile" or "bitter" at all... like, he often sounds like he's taking glee in playing the "part" of a "rapper" on his songs, a kid who grew up listening to 50 cent inhabiting that role... like there's a lot of "fun energy" that you claim waka has, evan, in keef's music for me. he sounds fucking stoked to be rapping... am i the only one who feels this way?

or maybe not stoked to be rapping as much as making rap songs, if that makes any sense at all...

I understand what you're saying. Keef is obviously engaged, and enjoying what he does—the record would be miserable if he didn't. But I don't sense the same "I'm loving every fucking minute of this" release from him that I do from Flocka. He takes a much more austere posture.

he's gonna be around for a bit

― salute me or crut me (J0rdan S.), Friday, December 14, 2012 1:23 PM (57 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

bottling this gem and releasing it back into the wild in december 2013 to see how it smells then

Lol

ha; Al's word choices are always so vivid. Love it.

i usually don't mix that many metaphors tbh but i had just woken up from a nap

it's ok, they all land

bottling this gem and releasing it back into the wild in december 2013 to see how it smells then

― Poli oppa lice style (some dude), Friday, December 14, 2012 2:21 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

i assume you'll be catching on right around then

where is this sudden meme about waka being joyous and charismatic coming from

like you guys are thinking of his PETA ads and not his actual musical output

his personality is that way & his music has trended that way at times since flockaveli but flockaveli is not that way at all

look at waka in the 'live by the gun' video & tell me hes not as or more detached & dead-eyed than keef has ever been

haha brutal zing j0rd

deej you know you cherrypicked one waka video out of 200 others where he's pulling grinning and pulling faces all over the place

lol pulling grinning sorry for typo

deej makes an important distinction tho

at least as far as flockaveli goes

keef may take the same track as he continues to isolate himself from the streets... i mean his grimmest tracks are certainly the earliest

citgo is so good. it's the song soulja boy should of made.

'zan with that lean' era soulja boy that is

deej you know you cherrypicked one waka video out of 200 others where he's pulling grinning and pulling faces all over the place

― Poli oppa lice style (some dude), Friday, December 14, 2012 4:06 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

which? the one that springs to mind is the one with keef, who is also grinning.

to me what is interesting about keef's style is that it is at once 'deadened' as ppl have described its ... detached-ness, but projected. Like, his voice jumps forward. I feel like for most rappers when you try to put that kind of energy in it, you lose that detached 'cool' cf pusha t in 2012

all of them besides 'live by the gun' iirc? like waka was hilarious in the 'bingo' video and that was one of his first big looks.

well it's not like the "i don't like" or "3hunna" videos depict a sad or detached keef. it's a different conversation.

yeah i'm not sure why videos were brought up to begin with just thought d-40's trying to hard w/ the waka video example

in all seriousness i do respect the way keef has been out there doing his art but i prefer the early stuff

new song is a banger tho, it's true

hes def had some nice songs the only ones i can say i actively dislike are from his owl city period

in all seriousness i do respect the way keef has been out there doing his art but i prefer the early stuff

― lag∞n, Wednesday, July 14, 2021 10:51 AM (six days ago) bookmarkflaglink

the stuff casual fans like, the dont like and love sosas etc., that stuff is iconic but definitely not his best stuff. its also not the stuff uzi, 21, carti, etc. built their sounds off of. its not surprising ppl undervalue his influence when they dont even know the records. but yea, his tapes after finally rich are way way better than the stuff "most people" know.

Also among actual rap fans its the records from the mid-later period that are most well known these days anyway...faneto, earned it, text, my baby, facts, kills, those are more iconic singles at this point ... and tapes like bang2, almightyso, back from the dead 2, nobody, dedication are >>> finally rich. they're not 'weird experiments,' everyone needs to stop biting 8 year old noz tweets, they're just great rap projects, w more ideas per song than the average stretched-too-thing-recorded-too-long pain rap tape today

the shit that rips off that period -- 'we dem boyz' type music -- is the fuckin worst

i assume by 'owl city period' you mean thot breaker which is a dope tape, just corny bc it got twee pitchfork support & is somehow his highest rated album. its not bad at all though, there are classic tracks on it

*stretched-too-thin-recorded-too-long pain rap tape

**the shit that rips off the finally rich early period -- we dem boyz type music -- is the fuckin worst

 among actual rap fans

hope to meet one someday

so like does he rap off beat on purpose

just to go back 7 years in the convo

deej does deserve his victory lap, keef did become as influential as he predicted, not that's he's one for "I told you so's"

lol

True it’s important ilx maintains condescension levels

I was being serious except for the last line

you were right and we (or I specifically) was wrong! he ended up being that important

"they're not 'weird experiments,(...) they're just great rap projects"

This is not mutually exclusive. BFTD2 is weird.
Keef has also a huge influence on hyperpop.

Feel like you’re misunderstanding me — of course they’re creative & experimental but not imo in some way that’s somehow exceptional to rap artists when they’re in a creative zone generally. The exception w him is id say the frequency of the ideas, there’s room for a lot more variation & surprise as a result.

What joe said was “I do respect the way he’s out there doing his art” before dismissing that art out of hand, I think ppl tend to stigmatize stuff as weird that isn’t like … outsider art or some shit. It’s redefined the boundaries of the genre, of what is considered “normal”

i domt see how you can say his later work is more influential when there are literal english making right drill music mate, ALSO idk why i am the one being attacked here when i have always been supportive of keefs artistic flights of fancy

i even like his aggressively avant garde work that only ticktok teens can understand but still i prob wouldve enjoyed a more direct career trajectory from bang through finally rich and so on, theres def an interesting path not chosen there, particularly i really like how he used his voice early on, in some ways he became a more conventional rapper after that, somewhat compensating by adopting a loosey goosey style

UK drill & NY drill were initially impacted by Keef in obvious ways (ie the first GS9 tape has flips of Keef's post-Finally Rich song "Pull Up") but the main blueprint for the sound is Lil Herb & Bibby's "Kill Shit." Which in Chicago was kind of a brief window / angle of the sound around DJ L's production.

The way in which Keef's post-Finally Rich sound was influential is much more around Bang 2 & the loosies from that 2013-2015 period, and its influence isn't so much on 'drill' the way its conceived in ny/uk as much as rappers like uzi, kodak, 21, xxx, playboi carti, et al

imo he made his voice *more* interesting not less after "Finally Rich" -- on FR he was doing that style where his voice casually rides the beat, sounds like Gucci Mane but his voice pops more to the front of the speaker where Gucci was kind of demur. But then he did that looser more aggressive attack & that's when his voice became way more malleable & started experimenting w/ darker melodies & textures & IMO showed much more the possibilities for vocal stylings that other artists picked up and ran off with

new song is titanically great, goddamn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f36hvoQ-bCs

https://hiphopdx.com/news/chief-keef-finally-rich-10th-anniversary-reissue

aoty

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— El Sol Sale Pa Todos (@frijoliz) December 5, 2022

the feeling is back

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dDBzZ1_XYA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cql3XELoam4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RL4XT91tUmU

posted briefly in the other keef thread, on third listen... aoty

could easily list 10 or so highlights for this one. "neph nem," "grape trees," "treat myself," "i'm tryna sleep," "believe," "drifting away"

all self-produced too

lol @ chief sosa made drill, kanye think he did too

ha yeah i've been playing "drifting away" enough for the past 24 hours or so that my wife is already like "this fuckin song again"

7000 square feet n**** come from a damn cubicle!

almighty so 2 is amazing but dirty nachos was just as good imo don’t sleep on it

dirty nachos was a lot of fun, production is not on the same level tho.

he raps his ass off on both, to be sure

this is cool

Chief Keef sat down for an extremely rare interview with Zane Lowe to promote Almighty So 2.

Now 29, Sosa discusses what it was like to blow up at 16 years old and how his life has changed since. Beautiful to see. pic.twitter.com/WfuPP9Sxmq

— Andrew Barber (@fakeshoredrive) May 9, 2024

I'm mad keen to hear the new one if it's a return to his best form.

"drifting away" is incredible. i love how he references cash money, cam'ron, gucci & kanye. the first time i was listening to it before he shouts out kanye's beats it was making me think of "let the beat build," which is ofc a kanye beat. anyway keef is a pivotal figure in the history of rap and i love that despite being positioned by a lot of people w/ in rap culture as a destroyer of all things sacred he actually knows his artistic lineage better than a lot of his critics do.

truck sit up like a cowboy
i think i got more cars than every member of the hot boys
and we got broomsticks, hogwarts
and i ain't worried about the opps we don't fly the same airport

insanely good rapping on this song

first couple listens i thought he was saying he wanted to beat kanye's ass

another really good interview: https://www.grammy.com/news/chief-keef-almighty-so-2-new-album-interview

had no idea that was fabo yelling on the "almighty" intro

I love this. “I start wearing yellow diamonds, it look like I peed myself” -- lol.

very moving reading that article seeing what a good place he is and how restless his creative mindset is after the amount of terrible shit which got put on his shoulders and how patronising a lot of the early coverage of him was. love that he is still listening to mixtape gucci all the time.

posted briefly in the other keef thread, on third listen... aoty

― devvvine, Friday, 10 May 2024 15:39 (five days ago) bookmarkflaglink

will double down on this too

"believe" is so cool

from that grammys interview:

From the beginning of your career, you've had this association with the word "turbulence." You use Turbo as an alter ego.

[Laughs] How do you know all this? This is some Nardwuar s— right now, man.

in fairness they aren't used to interviewers making even the slightest effort

the whole album's good but i just keep coming back to "believe"

best Cher cover

https://open.substack.com/pub/ddrake/p/chief-keef-interview 2017 interview

“Jesus” is a journey

That time Chief Keef almost blew up his house on the Fourth of July 😳 pic.twitter.com/KoD9u7ZOSL

— XXL Magazine (@XXL) July 4, 2024

https://www.instagram.com/p/DF83gbFP7Hp/?igsh=MWg5OHF0Y255eXhrMg==

wow, almighty so is great

some of these flows are kinda prog innit! hope you got to discussing that upthread

my comment on discord was 'it feels like a rapsploitation movie that's been remixed with loads of slow motion and backwards bits by some diabolical experimental director, the bullets are going back into the gun', feels miles ahead of its time