dwarves - c/d?

aw, come on. no punkrawk evangelists in the house? or maybe everyone agrees and replying is redundant?

That Dwarves album cover with the midget and naked women covered in blood is pretty stylin in a disgusting kind of way. I thought it was funny that they did another with them all covered in soap suds.

I suppose Gwar would be "The Beatles" of this particular type of music.

the songs are all practically identical and no great shakes to begin with - the only reason i can make it through a whole album is that they're no longer than 15 minutes all told.

but this doesn't change my feeling that if you don't like the dwarves, then you don't really like punk, no matter how many putatively punkesque bands you like. and maybe i'm splitting hairs but i associate gwar with a more metal crowd.

If you don't like _____, then you really don't like _____.

If you don't like "Pecker", you really don't like John Waters films.

If you don't like Pabst Blue Ribbon, you really don't like beer.

sounds about right. except that was sarcasm, i'm assuming.

...counts for nothing in respect of punk rock credentials

so what are punk rock credentials, more properly, then?

indirectly related, more US-inclined: defn of punk implied rather than stated (also orig.included a silly g.g.allin joke in ref.pigfuck, but it was confusing so i took it out again)

(i tried printing it the other day at a friend's place - i've no working printer of my own - and the sentences were all chopped short. is there a secret method i'm not aware of or is his printer setup fuX0red?)

(punk to me = the sad dedications on the punk piece which just completely floored me for some reason)

also that "punk to me =" comment is misleading. all i mean is that those dedications remind me very specifically of some of my own old friends and housemates, some lost, who made up a tiny universe that identified as "punk" (at some remove) for lack of anything better to call it (haha we had a garden! we were actually HIPPIES IN DENIAL!!). that you would have to have been there for that to make any sense is somehow crucial to why the association sticks in relation to the piece.

heh i've lost myself um - back to the FITE!!

And yet there's just too much objectionable crap on their records. They're jokes, OK, but I don't want my daughter pulling a copy of Blood, Guts, and Pussy off of the shelf.

Here's some of his occult writing:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/cienciareal/cienciareal16.htm
http://www.rosenoire.org/articles/fallen_angels.php
http://www.rosenoire.org/articles/monstrous.php

Anyway, this thread has totally ignored the best album collection they ever put out, "Lick It."

Without people like you, there'd be no Dwarves band at all!

MP: Do you ever talk to Vadge Moore anymore.

BD: Sure! I just talked to him the other day.

MP: What is he doing now?

BD: I think he has become Satan.

MP: Are you into the Satanism thing like he is? The Church of Satan?

BD: No. I am the anti-Christ.

MP: So you don't have to! Well, it's okay to be the anti-Christ. It's something else completely to be into, I don't know, Anton La-

BD: Ha!

MP: I mean, you know!

BD: That's Vadge's bag, man. I can't stick up for him. You know, he's, he's, he's dirty. He's the dirty heart of the Dwarves, you know? There's nothing right about him! And then there's Sgt. Salt Peter, the master of scatology.

MP: But you're not touring with all these people.

BD: No, not touring. Although a lot of the ones I mentioned at the beginning are gonna be touring.

MP: Do you still enjoy hitting people with microphones?

BD: Yeah, I like to hit folks here and there.

MP: Do you still enjoy playing as much as you did when you were younger? Does it ever get tiresome or is it still fun?

BD: In a lot of ways, it's more fun now. I don't take it as seriously as I used to.

MP: What do you mean? Were you like nervous before? Or you just felt like you always had to be great? Or -

BD: No, it was more like angry. We were really angry so we were striking out mindlessly all the time. But being angry takes a lot of work.

MP: Was it real anger? Were you really pissed off?

BD: You tell me. It seemed real to me.

MP: What were you so angry at?

BD: I don't know. It's hard to say. I've been handed a really great deck of cards in my life.

MP: Yep.

BD: So by all rights, I have no right to be upset. But hey, what can you do?

MP: But you're happy now?

BD: Well you know, I'm a rock legend, Mark.

MP: Yeah! So you should be happy!

BD: It's not easy, but somebody's gotta do it.

MP: There's no way an angry man could write "Let Me Show Ya How It's Done."

BD: Yeah, that's right. It's more a question of, you know, there'll be new worlds to conquer.

Hey, just think about it logically. There's a lot of bands into violence and they tour. Coincidentally, there are tons of unsolved murders and multiple serial killers that never make it to the news.

Anyway...so yeah, see, Sgt. Salt Peter was the doctor of scatology.

There's a real sense of Americana to the Dwarves at their best.

This band is indeed better at writing both good tunes and good lyrics than most folks seem to think.

I've never listened to their later stuff cos I had Sugarfix years ago and it sucked apart from Smack City, sold it ages ago.

I really like their garage stuff on the Lick It comp. That and the Free Cocaine comp are their best IMO.

Well, those plus the ones other people mentioned. So maybe five good songs. I found it on CD along with the 2nd Sub Pop album.

You, sir, are insane. That is my favorite Dwarves song. Also, I should add that I do not understand the excitement over Blood, Guts and Pussy. I have always thought that basically sucked. It was not until I read somewhere a comparison to the Misfits "Earth A.D." that I understood the point of it. Yes, it did sound like Earth A.D. and that somehow made it sound "better" to me! But, you know what? Earth A.D. sounded like shit to me, too, until, as a typical nonpubic 12-year old I _made_ myself like it. And now, I can't help but like it. But, Blood, Guts and Pussy is nowhere as cool as the Misfits were (even though I understand they are totally uncool at this point).

I read your book (Armed To The Teeth With Lipstick) this week and that was all over the place. It seemed like you - that had such good wordplay! Like everything was a pun! It was ridiculous.

Just a bunch of bad puns.

But I love how halfway through the narrator admits it's a bunch of bad puns. Where he goes, "Jesus, is this what we sound like out loud?" or something. (note: In the chapter "The Long Hello," Martian narrator Lucifer Doolan - on Earth to find a "girl gone bad," as Van Halen might say - greets an ex-Martian named Geek Pederast with a "Been a long time, Pederast." When Pederast cleverly responds, "Longer than it was hard, Doolan, ya flimsy meteor maid," Doolan has a moment of self-realization: "Jesus, did we sound that goofy in real life?")

(laughs)

And then at the end I think in the NASA thing you talk about how it's just a bunch of bad puns. (note: at the end of the book is a "joint report by NASA and the American Heart Association" which includes the line "Bad puns and dodgy bohemian ethics may fly in San Francisco, fat boy, but who died and made you king of the airport newsrack?")

Right.

It's a cool book! I did really enjoy it. The writing was really interesting.

Yeah I wanted to make it interesting. There's some cool stuff in there. A lot of fun.

strongo sez i get wet is greatest formalist piece of art of '00s. greatest formalist pieces of art of previous decade were the 1st and 2nd sub pop albums by the dwarves though yeah they're harder to take than i get wet but musically i personally wouldnot deny it.

i'll cosign that.

"keep me after class
stick a ruler up my ass
lesbian nun

LESBIAN NUN!"

Blood, Guts and Pussy is the side-two-of-Abby-Road of punk.

It just came out eight years later than it was supposed to.

I heard a couple tracks from Candy Now! which is Blag + Angelina/Tom (from Persephone's Bees) + Nash (from Urge Overkill) and they're pretty good. Sort of a power pop/Nuggets/Sonny & Cher sort of thing.

http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102672845819&s=1913&e=001hdvLKbcyZdCEmhB4PxFOo5Wx11IuKAnE2HyE1m9QeRkvTrcUB4rjmYaL-ULxz0-vkh9niMx2bwXBG4XIBz5yLT9LiPnRkt32hbGlhNS6yjCRY2R7ZNU_uKjz8yHzVj3bBLNyQmrs_H-UkI4WnpRuig==

Sorry about the ridiculous link, but it's worth going to...

Oh, here, this one is shorter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYowkRycD-s