Pazz & Jop thread, aka when is the official deadline for this thing?

Midnight Eastern? Pacific?

I looked at the email and just saw December 28. Could've missed the time though.

11:59 p.m. wherever you are

Thanks. Solid thread.

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I wonder if anyone has ever run for office with the last name Baroness

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So everyone's voting for Hinder amirite

Am I uncool for voting seriously (or at all)?

Not at all. Fellows like you make our country great.

It's 11 p.m. where I am and it says "This poll is now closed."

This happened to me last year. I ran into technical problems with the website, was told to send my lists via email, did so (a few days later than I said I would, to be fair) and my ballot didn't end up in the poll.

that's a bummer. to be fair, though, you could've voted early.

I just sent mine via e-mail, which always worked except last year, when they failed to count my votes (while using a couple of comments). I noticed something funny this morning. In 2007, voting for Imperial Teen's "What You Do," I wrote that "I hope they keep doing what they do for a long time." This year, voting for Imperial Teen's "Don't Know How You Do It," I wrote that "So I hope all three keep at it forever..." (i.e., them, Wussy, and Yo La Tengo).

So who's more out of ideas, Imperial Teen or me?

lol

Out of ideas myself so will listen to that Imperial Teen record right now.

This can be the home for tardy ballots! Incl belated improvements on ones you actually sent.

How could I have forgotten Corin Tucker Band's Kill My Blues? It does kill; so much better than her okay but autumn leaves-blah-blah-tending solo debut, and reminds us who was the true lead singer of Sleater-Kinney.

Got mind in on the second last day, and botched my singles list: immediately after sending I realized that I'd left off two tracks I like better than two that I did include. I'm way less obsessive about singles than I am abt albums in the poll anyway, particularly because of the nebulous definition of "singles" (the ilm tracks poll is broader and thus more specific in its definition) and also be l wise I'm not even sure how the ranking of singles works here (does order matter?). An well, will use the ilm poll to correct the wrongs I made with my P&J ballot anyway.

*mine

also "be I wise" = because

sigh

the nebulous definition of "singles" (the ilm tracks poll is broader and thus more specific in its definition)How so?

Single implies something that was released as such, whatever that means anymore. Tracks could be any song released in any form during the year. I know that ppl tend to vote for non-single tracks in P&J but the consensus it seems to be striving towards always strikes me as being a ranking of the years best SINGLES (hence, year of impact and all that) while a track poll is, by definition, more inclusive.

Yeah, I'm bring ridiculously pedantic abt these things, I know.

No, maybe they shouldn't call it Singles anymore, since a lot of stuff is mainly or exclusively "viral" (though with no Wed Sheriff removals, and maybe labels etc think a non-release release can be more popular cos it's little bit more populist, more street, so better promotion even without royalties)

Web Sheriff, sorry

as someone who has ranted and raved about p&j and other tracks/singles lists getting away from chart fodder and more toward the kind of niche/crit bubble stuff that has always dominated albums polls, i'm mostly ok with things that aren't strictly "singles" placing if the song has some kind of life of its own on youtube or in clubs or even just in the critical dialogue. if something's basically just an album cut that only gets voted for by people who heard (and probably also voted for) the album, on the other hand, still a pet peeve.

i submitted a ballot a few days ago but i've already changed my personal top 10 albums. just goes to show how fickle the whole listmaking process is.

yeah i tend to think of these lists as a snapshot, you can and will continue to change your mind but you just gotta go ahead and commit what you were feeling at one particular moment to posterity

"some kind of life of its own on youtube or" def with you there, ideally, but some kind of life of its own in my head is the main thing. If I have to say, "Oh wait, but is it popular enough, " might as well vote Billboard Top Ten. Although I'm not gonna exclude it because it is popular, or crit-approved.

and yeah, when you only get ten slots to fill, another reason "you can and will continue to change your mind."

Two days

results will be published in print and online the week of
January 16th.

*shutters*

that will never stop being funny

I know! Just the thought of someone that dumb attempting to put this list together makes me cringe, but then I think of "shutters" and I lol.

this is also super lol: The ilx circle jerk up boring mountain trudges forever onward.

lol i missed that one, where was it?

boom: Is Everybody Who Edits the Village Voice Really This Stupid?

Everyone who submitted a P+J ballot is going to vote in the ILM poll, right? I mean at the very least you can just submit the same ballot again.

No.

busted :(

I need to remember to vote in the ILM poll! This has been a crazy couple weeks

When does the ILM poll close?

2012 ILM SUPER-MEGA YEAR-END ALBUMS 'N' TRACKS POLL™ VOTING THREAD (voting ends MIDNIGHT EST on Friday, January 18th, 2012)

Everyone who submitted a P+J ballot is going to vote in the ILM poll, right? I mean at the very least you can just submit the same ballot again.

― One week left to vote in the ILM End of Year Poll! (seandalai), Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:48 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Even if we did not submit all our albums and tracks as ILM poll ballot nominations?

I'm afraid you're not going to see me in this year P+J ballot owing to the fact that I didn't see the deadline date until it was too late (it was buried in the long paragraph of text I was emailed and not highlighted). In previous years I got sent reminders by previous editors but not this time, so I was too busy enjoying Christmas and having fun to remember to do a list. Oh well.

Well obviously I'd rather you did use the nominations lists but anything that wasn't nominated just gets ignored in tallying, so in principle you could just resubmit your P+J ballot if you have no ability/inclination to spend extra time on it.

xp you can still submit a list to the ILM poll!

Comments up

http://www.villagevoice.com/2013-01-16/music/pazz-jop-the-comments/

14. Father John Misty Fear Fun [Sub Pop Records] 363 33

15. Bruce Springsteen Wrecking Ball [Columbia Records] 361 36

16. Bob Dylan Tempest [Columbia Records] 349 33

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can someone translate for me

I put one VERY BIG HIT on my ballot. Sort of. You'll see. I'm anticipating it getting no other votes in the form I listed, but I'd be happy to be wrong.

"Made Me" vs. "Dark Horse" is my last dilemma, I think

it's hard enough to figure out how to distribute my points with just 10 albums as it is (this year i went with 15 points each for the top 5, 5 points each for the other 5).

― some dude, Friday, December 26, 2014 9:36 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ugh i hate the way p&j annually makes me do maths on xmas day

last thing music internet needs is more long lists where people name the records they kinda liked

music internet could do with a lot more personal lists being shared around than collective lists

i just did ten points for everything. i hated whittling it down to ten albums so i might as well treat them all equally.

normally I try to do tiers and ideally the top tier would be 25 points but inevitably the sum careens toward 100 fast enough that I have to ding albums I actually liked (I usually give out a few 5s at the end but try to slot consensus picks there, as they don't need my scoring help).

or you could not vote for consensus picks in the hope that P&J doesn't look like every other list + old fart picks by writers who haven't liked a new artist in 25 years

or I could vote for what I liked most instead of playing Rock Paper Scissors with a straw man

I really liked "The Candy Song" by the Masters of Reality in 1988. That was the last new music I liked, so it's actually 26 years.

any reason not to post our ballots here?

1. music went to shit in the '00s

that seems like a very abstract reason.

in any case, i will bet you a shiny dollar coin that kendrick wins AOY in a walk and probably beibs for the single?

i guess bc the ballots will all be made public in the fullness of time (a few weeks)?

point allocation is always a matter of "how much maths can i be bothered to do in my holiday fug"

can you actually bet on a kendrick win on any betting site, because it's so obvious i would actually do that

Poor Pazz and Jop. How the mighty have fallen. I remember back five, ten years ago ILM actually CARED about it, mannnn. With anticipation threads and shit. What the hell happened?

capitalism

There's got to be at least a dozen different answers to that. My own feeling is that what happened to the Voice wouldn't be close to #1.

1) too many lists before P&J
2) more critics (although not as many as in, say, 2005)
3) more critics who don't give a damn for P&J
4) collapse of so-called "monoculture"
5) VV's own problems

Sounds about right. Also, even though I only posted a few times in 2005 (under my own name, before disappearing for three years), is it a fair statement that there is less activity on ILM today than there was then? Plus the VV editor regularly posted here in 2005.

As big as your #1, and it's hard to put into words, is that the idea of this really important, "authoritative" list is just dead in 2015. (I guess a version of your #4.) That had already started to happen in 2005, probably even 5-10 years before that (the heyday of P&J for me and my friends was the mid-late '80s). The only such poll that still sort of feels that way to me is the Sight & Sound 10-year poll, most obviously because of its infrequency, also because there's not currently anything like it, except for maybe the They Shoot Pictures Don't They list (which is just a compendium of other lists). And maybe that's dying, too, I don't know. I'm sure they welcomed the first new #1 in 50 years last time--kept it in the news.

in any case, i will bet you a shiny dollar coin that kendrick wins AOY in a walk and probably beibs for the single?

― Does that make you mutter, under your breath, “Damn”? (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, December 29, 2015 4:03 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i don't think it'll be JB with the #1 single, especially since I don't even know which one of his would place highest, but he'll probably have a couple pretty high up. but it's hard to say what #1 will be. could be "Hotline Bling" or "Alright" or "Trap Queen" or "Uptown Funk" or "Can't Feel My Face" but none of them feels like a lock.

Forgot to vote. Oh, well.

Weren't you going to also vote for Natalia Lafourcade...? Now I may be the only one...

i'd guess the highest placing Bieber will be Where Are U Now. Uptown Funk got enough votes last year that I doubt it'd win this time

i don't disagree with both of you above re: single, just trying to start a conversation given the dearth of interest for all the (real) reasons posted above. i get nostalgic for the days p&j got everyone whipped up.

"Plus the VV editor regularly posted here in 2005."

she also posted here from 2011-2012 fyi

(and the poll that ran in early 2012 had the highest turnout of recent years cough)

Chuck being Chuck (or Chuck being male, take your pick), his presence was a little louder? (Incidentally, I'm still recovering from my 2011 ballot not being counted, thereby costing Foster the People 10th spot on the singles list and forever altering the course of history.)

I don't think anyone's arguing that P&J isn't bigger (as measured by number of voters) than ever, just trying to explain why it's not as big a deal as 10 or 15 or 20 years ago.

people in being defensive about erasing women's contributions shocker

but w/e

gradually, P&J poll has replaced my own personal best-of list for the year. I don't compile one except to submit it to P&J, and it's the only real record I have of what I liked from any given year (apart from just looking at my play counts on LastFM). There are too many effin polls, too many critics, too many best-of-lists. What's worse, most of them are the same list, slightly reorganized for each publication. What I like about P&J is that there is no single editorial voice behind the results, no aesthetic to appease or approximate.

as a second-year voter I'm still pretty excited about it

Surely the ILX EOY means more, or are we going to blithely assume P&J is a broader church (lol)

weird, didn't get a ballot this year

um
http://www.villagevoice.com/microsites/pazzandjop

Missed the deadline this year, and only very mildly annoyed about that. I published one album review all year, I think, and a smattering of Singles Jukebox entries, so I barely feel like I qualify anymore to begin with. The ILM results are lately far more interesting anyway, even though I expect that this year both P&J and ILM will once again share a first-place album finisher (wholly deserved this time).

"See who our critics crown the top artists of 2015!"

makes it sound like we all work for Village Voice. and have an interest in crowns.

here's a fun-ish pre-P&J game to play: Kendrick wins the album poll by the largest margin since ________ (fill in the blank, obvs).

MBDTF? Further back?

i was serious about the betting thing, it's not offered by any of my usual sites

what do you usually bet on? tennis?

can I bet on my centricity rating being at least 25% less... centric than it was in years prior? it's been that sort of year

i heard there are gold stars for that

glenn's stat pages are really half of why i still vote in this

Kendrick wins the album poll by the largest margin since ________

outkast

The counting is underway.

i heard there are gold stars for that

― probably.tasteful.forever (imago), Tuesday, December 29, 2015 3:43 PM (46 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

fuck's sake it's just a statement of fact

what do you usually bet on? tennis?

― i got a really big steen, and they need some really big zings (some dude), Tuesday, December 29, 2015 8:32 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

y

never ever music or politics usually

i would honestly be surprised if there was any traditional betting organization that was taking bets on anything music-related. maybe Bieber vs. One Direction first week could've been a fun thing to bet on.

i suppose maybe people take bets on the Grammys but definitely not remotely as much as they do for the Oscars.

betting on the mercury prize seems to be an annual thing among british critics (have never done it myself as the outcome almost always seems a bit too random

Established online betting means it seems you can bet on almost anything in the UK though.