RFI: James Plotkin

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I dont know what this Phantomsmasher stuff is!! Who is James Plotkin? Who is Speedranch? I think Mike Patton is on some tracks.

chaki (chaki), Monday, 30 September 2002 20:56 (twenty-three years ago)

I forget which metal band Plotkin was/is in but the Atomsmasher CD is insane too-fast-for-humans beats & digital noise: totally great.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 30 September 2002 21:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I forget which metal band Plotkin was/is in
James Plotkin was? is? in Old. The have records out on Earache.

brg30 (brg30), Monday, 30 September 2002 21:49 (twenty-three years ago)

jim plotkin was originally the guitarist for the Old Lady Drivers, a comedy/grindcore group who mutated into the weird, voivod-ish OLD and released several odd albums (one produced by john zorn, if anyone cares) with plotkin's dissonant and effected guitar at the fore.

he played guitar briefly for scorn, if i recall correctly, and released a couple of snoozy ambient collaborations on kranky. more details on his musical career here.

atomsmasher/phantomsmasher is plotkin, dave witte (discordance axis) on drums, and dj speedranch (gurning jackass) on 'audiomulch vocals'. i have both of their CDs and it's pretty amazing stuff, sort of at the border of broken beats and grindcore... i prefer the atomsmasher cd on hydrahead.

lastly, southern lord released a CD by khanate, which reunited plotkin and alan dubin from OLD and threw members of blind idiot god and (i think?) sunn 0))) into the mix. an amazing and torturous re-conception of heavy doom maedl with some subtle and impressive use of computer sound manipulation (especially on the vocals). gets compared to eyehategod, but i don't really know why. look for the track "no joy".

your null fame (yournullfame), Monday, 30 September 2002 22:01 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah, there are sunn 0))) guys in khanate. at least one of them. to me it sounds more like very early swans with grindcore vocals or maybe even man is the bastard. i thought it was great the one time i played it but have not had the desire to return since.

atomsmasher = grate.

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 30 September 2002 22:33 (twenty-three years ago)

i was going to say "early swans" but...

your null fame (yournullfame), Tuesday, 1 October 2002 02:17 (twenty-three years ago)

Hah! Plotkin plays on at least one late period Swans alb...

Andrew L (Andrew L), Tuesday, 1 October 2002 09:52 (twenty-three years ago)

The Phantomsmasher album is rarely out of my cd player...
There's a download of the (gobsmacking) first track at www.southern.net (nav to the artistes/Phantomsmasher bit)

Marinaorgan (Marina Organ), Tuesday, 1 October 2002 15:48 (twenty-three years ago)

seven months pass...
Wasn't Plotkin in Burning Witch too?
He is the Southern Lord, no?

Shaun (shaun), Thursday, 8 May 2003 20:58 (twenty-two years ago)

if anyone wants the phantomsmasher cd, like new, played once, they can paypal me $6 and i'll send it to them. that's not a comment on the record, though - i do like it and gave it a favorable review - i just don't NEED it.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Friday, 9 May 2003 00:06 (twenty-two years ago)

no mike patton doesn't sing on any atomsmasher / phantomsmasher stuff - i wouldn't go near it if he did. plotkin is also in the lotus eaters (no not that lotus eaters) with malley from suno))) and some bod from old man gloom. kinda like an electroacoustic / semi acoustic version of earth2 or summat.

bob snoom, Friday, 9 May 2003 08:06 (twenty-two years ago)

two years pass...
Where's the love for Formula? I searched Plotkin threads, but no mention that I found. It used to be one of my favorite albums period. It was never far from my CD player in the late 90s. The only thing Plotkin ever did that I liked better was Joy of Disease (which I still listen to regularly). I saw the album posted somewhere the other day and downloaded it (I still own the CD), and it's just as good to my ears as it was back when I first heard it in, I am pretty sure, 1996.

The best part was that the poster of the album tried to stick a genre tag on it, which was: darkwave/prog. At first I laughed at the description, but after thinking about it I kind of like it.

josh in sf (stfu kthx), Thursday, 9 March 2006 01:27 (twenty years ago)

three years pass...

ha... so i got this pretty cheap-looking hardcore techno comp CD with rob gee, lenny dee, etc. on it and "jimmy plotkin" is credited on the cover. and the song he did is credited to "ghengis jimmy" and is called "sonofachippa." anyone know anything else about his secret techno past?

armed with swords and hash (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 15 November 2009 18:26 (sixteen years ago)

http://www.discogs.com/Various-Strictly-For-The-Hardcore-NYC-Underground/release/363375

armed with swords and hash (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 15 November 2009 18:26 (sixteen years ago)

He talked about in his recent Wire jukebox. Lemme see if I can find the issue.

We call them "meat hemorrhoids" (Alex in SF), Sunday, 15 November 2009 18:38 (sixteen years ago)

According to Plotkin it came about cuz the owner of Cafe Sounds put together a techno comp and asked Plotkin if he wanted to contribute a track. Apparently he wishes it was forgotten.

We call them "meat hemorrhoids" (Alex in SF), Sunday, 15 November 2009 18:44 (sixteen years ago)

why dudes gotta be like that. it's a decent track!

armed with swords and hash (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 15 November 2009 18:53 (sixteen years ago)

one year passes...

I'm probably way behind here, but I just heard KHLYST - Plotkin's collab with the shrieking goddess from Thorr's Hammer - and it's fuckin' amazing! Total noise guitar terrorism + tortured Golem vox

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Thursday, 24 March 2011 21:40 (fourteen years ago)

two years pass...

Is there *anything* better than OLD's Formula, DAMN it's so good, one of Earache's worst selling albums folks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbVI2o1a1rc

MaresNest, Wednesday, 12 February 2014 23:11 (twelve years ago)

James Plotkin unfriended me on Facebook.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Wednesday, 12 February 2014 23:18 (twelve years ago)

(That sounds like an Anal Cunt song title)

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Wednesday, 12 February 2014 23:18 (twelve years ago)

I've heard he is pretty cranky

MaresNest, Wednesday, 12 February 2014 23:35 (twelve years ago)

he is pretty tediously opinions4u on facebook yeah

wilful brony (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 13 February 2014 08:39 (twelve years ago)

one month passes...

omfg atomsmasher

halber mensch halber keks (imago), Saturday, 5 April 2014 23:16 (eleven years ago)

i mean obv o.l.d. - formula is just astounding but this is equally so

halber mensch halber keks (imago), Saturday, 5 April 2014 23:17 (eleven years ago)

whoa i'd never heard formula before... awesome

am0n, Saturday, 5 April 2014 23:40 (eleven years ago)

yeah. think formula is probably the marginally better album - more substantial, more evocative, more unlike anything else. but atomsmasher is giving me quite a first listen

halber mensch halber keks (imago), Saturday, 5 April 2014 23:44 (eleven years ago)

Atomsmasher was great. When he had to change the name to Phantomsmasher, the quality dipped substantially, IMO.

Humorist (horse) (誤訳侮辱), Sunday, 6 April 2014 15:09 (eleven years ago)

seven years pass...

While going through music to post a best ten songs of the 90s list, I started listening to OLD's "Lo Flux Tube", and I was surprised by how much I still love it. I got into Old Lady Drivers via Colostomy Grab-Bag on Earache's classic Grind Crusher compilation, wrote it off as a novelty song until a year or so later when I saw Lo Flux Tube at a record shop, bought it because it was on Earache and played it constantly throughout the early 90s. I never managed to turn a single friend onto Plotkin's music - it's always been a private pleasure for me.

I'd be really curious to know how someone who had never heard Lo Flux Tube would rate it in 2021. The Alan Dubin vocals were always kind of the music equivalent of the bathtub scene in the "Breaking Bad" pilot episode.

My personal Plotkin S/D

Seek
Old
Lo Flux Tube
Formula

James Plotkin
The Joy of Disease
The Joy if Disease (demos and remixes) (note: this isn't even listed on discogs.com - I only see it on Spotify)
A Peripheral Blur (with Mark Spybey)
Collapse (with Mick Harris)

Atomsmasher
Phantomsmasher
Khanate

Destroy:
Everything not on this list except Lotus Eaters and Khlyst, which I didn't love, but were OK. He's just done a lot of what to me sounds like really half-assed "experimental" work that sounds like a bored guy fucking around in a nice studio. Also, based on his gross sense of humor, and what people on this thread have said about his social media presence; the less I know about him personally, the better.

beard papa, Wednesday, 22 September 2021 17:40 (four years ago)

I forgot his Flux project with Ruth Harris which was also pretty good.

beard papa, Wednesday, 22 September 2021 17:40 (four years ago)

Oh yeah, and Jodis and Nanamax were also cool projects he was involved in.

beard papa, Wednesday, 22 September 2021 17:41 (four years ago)

I should also add Old's "Musical Dimensions of Sleastak" to the search list. I don't know why I skipped it.

beard papa, Wednesday, 22 September 2021 18:36 (four years ago)

The Joy of Disease demos & remixes are on his Bandcamp:
https://jamesplotkin.bandcamp.com
along with some other unreleased stuff. Also some quite funny recentish modular acid/IDM shit.

I love Atom/Phantomsmasher both. OLD's Formula for sure, and Lo Flux Tube as well as Khanate. Dubin is a perverted genius.
Love Lotus Eaters too.

He was also on Scorn's greatest album (or one of), Evanescence.

raven, Thursday, 23 September 2021 12:10 (four years ago)

Weird, I do not see the Joy of Disease demos. Are you in the US? I wonder if it is geo-locked or something.

beard papa, Thursday, 23 September 2021 17:34 (four years ago)

Where are you beard papa?

I'm in the UK and can definitely see it - it's the sixth musical item along, "Inevitable Archives Vol 4".

djh, Thursday, 23 September 2021 18:58 (four years ago)

I'm in Aus.

Bandcamp doesn't geo-lock.
Direct link:
https://jamesplotkin.bandcamp.com/album/inevitable-archives-vol-4-the-joy-of-disease-demos-and-remixes

raven, Friday, 24 September 2021 04:11 (four years ago)

OK, just me being dumb. Hadn't dug into all of those "Inevitable Archives". Thanks!

beard papa, Friday, 24 September 2021 05:20 (four years ago)


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