The 40 Most Boring ‘Classic’ Albums by challopsy critics

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New Book of Rock Lists

First published in the US 1994 by Fireside, and in the UK 1994 by Sidgwick & Jackson. Revised edition of ‘The Book of Rock Lists’
published in 1981 by Duke & Duchess Ventures Inc. All text taken in edited form from the book. Edited by Dave Marsh & James Bernard.

Note: “The Grateful Dead do not appear on this list because they have, instead, been awarded a special citation by the authors for their entire oeuvre, all of which is pretty near terminally boring”.

List is in alphabetical order

Which album is the best here?

Poll Results

OptionVotes
30. Sister – Sonic Youth 28
24. Physical Graffiti – Led Zeppelin 17
14. Hissing of Summer Lawns – Joni Mitchell 14
29. Ritual to Habitual – Jane’s Addiction 13
8. Diamond Dogs – David Bowie 10
23. People’s Instinctive Travels & the Paths of Rhythm – A Tribe Called Quest 9
16. In the Court of the Crimson King – King Crimson 9
35. Trans – Neil Young 8
3. Around the World in a Day – Prince 6
20. Let It Be – Beatles 5
37. Wall, the – Pink Floyd 5
33. Their Satanic Majesties Request – Rolling Stones 4
31. Storm Front – Billy Joel 2
18. Juliet Letters – Elvis Costello/Brodsky Quartet 2
34. Thick as a Brick – Jethro Tull 2
1. Abacab – Genesis 2
13. Faces – Earth Wind & Fire 2
6. Crosby, Stills & Nash – Crosby, Stills & Nash 2
27. Point of Know Return – Kansas 1
38. Wheels of Fire – Cream 1
5. Breakfast in America – Supertramp 1
32. Neither Fish Nor Flesh – Terence Trent D’Arby 1
9. Diver Down – Van Halen 1
11. Edutainment – Boogie Down Productions 1
12. Escape – Journey 1
15. Hotter Than Hell – Kiss 1
36. True Stories – Talking Heads 0
39. Woman in Red – Stevie Wonder 0
28. Red Rose Speedway – Paul McCartney 0
2. Another Ticket – Eric Clapton 0
4. Blondes Have More Fun – Rod Stewart 0
7. Days of Future Passed – Moody Blues 0
10. Down with the King – Run DMC 0
17. It’s Hard – Who 0
19. Kilroy Was Here – Styx 0
21. Long Run, the – Eagles 0
22. Nothing Like the Sun – Sting 0
25. Pictures at an Exhibition – ELP 0
26. Planet Waves – Bob Dylan 0
40. Yessongs – Yes 0


pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 8 February 2013 22:15 (twelve years ago)

you know that Sister will win this, right?

nostormo, Friday, 8 February 2013 22:16 (twelve years ago)

Easy. Sister.

Listicle Traces (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 8 February 2013 22:17 (twelve years ago)

Bowie, with Prince second.

"Did you see the sign on my car park that said 'Dead King Storage'?" (snoball), Friday, 8 February 2013 22:17 (twelve years ago)

Ha. xpost. Although would vote for Bowie second.

Listicle Traces (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 8 February 2013 22:18 (twelve years ago)

I think Led Zep might beat Sonic Youth

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 8 February 2013 22:19 (twelve years ago)

and dont rule out prince fans

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 8 February 2013 22:19 (twelve years ago)

sister, then king crimson

akm, Friday, 8 February 2013 22:20 (twelve years ago)

or neil young

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 8 February 2013 22:20 (twelve years ago)

1. The Hissing of Summer Lawns
2. Sister
3. Physical Graffiti

Gavin, Leeds, Friday, 8 February 2013 22:20 (twelve years ago)

Trans

☯ t (wins), Friday, 8 February 2013 22:21 (twelve years ago)

Whoops, didn't see King Crimson, swap that for the Led Zep.

Gavin, Leeds, Friday, 8 February 2013 22:21 (twelve years ago)

Trans was once a 'Classic' album?

Z S, Friday, 8 February 2013 22:24 (twelve years ago)

this list is kind of baffling

Z S, Friday, 8 February 2013 22:24 (twelve years ago)

Oh Jane's Addiction for sure

dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 8 February 2013 22:25 (twelve years ago)

dave marsh is no fun

downton arby (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 8 February 2013 22:25 (twelve years ago)

had didn't notice the beatles album in there

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 8 February 2013 22:27 (twelve years ago)

Are we voting for the most boring? Or the best album as a fuck you to the list?

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Friday, 8 February 2013 22:29 (twelve years ago)

Which album is the best here?

Z S, Friday, 8 February 2013 22:30 (twelve years ago)

Pshaw. You expect me to read?

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Friday, 8 February 2013 22:31 (twelve years ago)

PG won the Zep albums poll iirc...?

Trans, Ritual, PG, Let it Be, Diver Down, Diamond Dogs all great records. ATWIAD is pretty good but the ballads really weigh it down.

Welcome to my world of proses (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 8 February 2013 22:34 (twelve years ago)

oh shit I voted for most boring.

The Reverend, Friday, 8 February 2013 22:34 (twelve years ago)

lol

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 8 February 2013 22:35 (twelve years ago)

You didn't read!

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Friday, 8 February 2013 22:35 (twelve years ago)

the rev really is a fan of that stevie wonder album

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 8 February 2013 22:36 (twelve years ago)

dont let him fool you

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 8 February 2013 22:36 (twelve years ago)

Pretty funny list, but if Marsh had any guts he would've included Nebraska.

xhuxk, Friday, 8 February 2013 22:37 (twelve years ago)

Thick As A Brick.

The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Friday, 8 February 2013 22:37 (twelve years ago)

Voted Kiss even though I like a couple others better, maybe, because I am really pissed anyone could call that album boring. Lame, crass commercialism? I can accept those. But boring? Nay.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Friday, 8 February 2013 22:38 (twelve years ago)

no layla, no credibility

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 8 February 2013 22:39 (twelve years ago)

dave marsh is the guy who does the rock and roll hall of fame?

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 8 February 2013 22:40 (twelve years ago)

Among other things.

http://www.amazon.com/Dave-Marsh/e/B000AP5FP0

xhuxk, Friday, 8 February 2013 22:44 (twelve years ago)

Prince, over Joni.

mike t-diva, Friday, 8 February 2013 22:46 (twelve years ago)

prince will try it on with anyone wont he?

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 8 February 2013 22:48 (twelve years ago)

sister then HoSL

69, Friday, 8 February 2013 22:49 (twelve years ago)

In what world is "Trans" boring?

brogue element (seandalai), Friday, 8 February 2013 22:49 (twelve years ago)

Which one's the most boring would have been fun too.

pplains, Friday, 8 February 2013 22:50 (twelve years ago)

I doubt Janes Addiction or Sonic Youth will ever be getting in the hall of fame

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 8 February 2013 22:51 (twelve years ago)

uhh

69, Friday, 8 February 2013 22:51 (twelve years ago)

Which one's the most boring would have been fun too.

― pplains,

I'd get banned if i started another poll! Feel free to do it however. Would be funny if the top 10 were the same.

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 8 February 2013 22:52 (twelve years ago)

oh shit didn't even see Hissing on here. that album is great

Welcome to my world of proses (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 8 February 2013 23:09 (twelve years ago)

Voted The Wall.

my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Friday, 8 February 2013 23:10 (twelve years ago)

What a bizarre list. Some of these are records no one anywhere has ever considered 'classic'.

try a little crowleymass (Jon Lewis), Friday, 8 February 2013 23:15 (twelve years ago)

In what world are most of these considered classic? Subjectively, such a list would include stuff like Moondance, Layla, etc.; if I put my own feelings aside, you might have Yo La Tengo's I Can Hear the Heart Beating as One, R.E.M.'s Automatic for the People, etc. But Kansas, Sting, and a late-period Who album?

clemenza, Friday, 8 February 2013 23:17 (twelve years ago)

king crimson is my favorite of those

wk, Friday, 8 February 2013 23:17 (twelve years ago)

Who the fuck ever spent 5 minutes thinking about The Juliet Letters?

try a little crowleymass (Jon Lewis), Friday, 8 February 2013 23:17 (twelve years ago)

Xpost lol the very first thing that popped into my head when I saw the thread title was Moondance

try a little crowleymass (Jon Lewis), Friday, 8 February 2013 23:19 (twelve years ago)

Blondes Have More Fun: I remember how rock critics really rallied around that one.

clemenza, Friday, 8 February 2013 23:22 (twelve years ago)

crimson v tull v jane's, good reasons for voting for each (best single piece of music, best whole album, best 27-minute 3-track run of unspeakable glory respectively)

HMMM

oh uh Yessongs is pretty damn decent too. not heard Sister yet.

imago, Friday, 8 February 2013 23:24 (twelve years ago)

Im not sure when this list is from. tarfumes might have the book.

btw check out this one
http://www.rocklistmusic.co.uk/steveparker/world_critics_lists.htm

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 8 February 2013 23:26 (twelve years ago)

who considers "Pictures at an Exhibition" a classic, I wanna know

frogbs, Wednesday, 13 February 2013 17:05 (twelve years ago)

NFNF is on Spotify; it's basically the album everyone thinks channelORANGE is, only his same-sex love song is a "sorry, I don't swing that way but we can be friends" story with some questionable late-80s imagery

Ima R.A.E.D. (DJP), Wednesday, 13 February 2013 18:02 (twelve years ago)

im not even that into it but every time one of you reposts that janes addiction album title as "ritual to habitual" its like nails on my accuracy chalkboard.

O_o-O_O-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 13 February 2013 18:21 (twelve years ago)

split decision for me between prince and tribe

O_o-O_O-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 13 February 2013 18:22 (twelve years ago)

oh, you never heard that bootleg? it's INCREDIBLE

Ima R.A.E.D. (DJP), Wednesday, 13 February 2013 18:28 (twelve years ago)

NFNF got neg reviews at the time iirc

gentle german fatherly voice (President Keyes), Wednesday, 13 February 2013 18:31 (twelve years ago)

Christgau dug it, moreso than Hardline.

MTV did a massive promotional push for it, for about two days. Big hour-long special, heavy rotation for a couple of the videos (something like three or four were released simultaneously), and then suddenly it vanished forever.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Wednesday, 13 February 2013 18:34 (twelve years ago)

I didn't have MTV at the time but I eagerly anticipated NFNF and loved it on first listen; watching everyone else's nonplussed dismissal of it was very upsetting

Ima R.A.E.D. (DJP), Wednesday, 13 February 2013 18:43 (twelve years ago)

I was a little apprehensive about watching the MTV special, partly because of TTD's "I'm better than everyone!" schtick, and partly because of the title of the new record. But I loved Hardline, so I wanted to hear the new shit. I remember really liking a couple of songs and being non-plussed by others, so I never bought the record. But I only heard "This Side Of Love" that one time, and I can still hum it, so I guess that counts for something.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Wednesday, 13 February 2013 18:55 (twelve years ago)

It hit the top ten over here (UK), but then people heard it and it sunk very fast..

Mark G, Wednesday, 13 February 2013 19:11 (twelve years ago)

it certainly did

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 13 February 2013 20:12 (twelve years ago)

My brother was a huge TTD fan and as such I heard NFNF dozens of times growing up. Not listened to it in years but in my memory it's a really good album. I remember it being hugely flawed but still really enjoyable.

treefell, Wednesday, 13 February 2013 22:16 (twelve years ago)

the random "I love my voice" a capella bits slay

Ima R.A.E.D. (DJP), Wednesday, 13 February 2013 22:28 (twelve years ago)

OK I'm half way through listening to NFNF and it's just as crazy and fun as I remember...

treefell, Wednesday, 13 February 2013 22:53 (twelve years ago)

yay there are three of us #teamNFNF

Ima R.A.E.D. (DJP), Wednesday, 13 February 2013 23:01 (twelve years ago)

http://healthculturesociety.wikispaces.com/file/view/strait_jackets.jpg/267349942/553x407/strait_jackets.jpg

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 13 February 2013 23:06 (twelve years ago)

It's definitely the work of someone with a gigantic ego.
However it's never boring even when he's off on some mad tangent and there are great tunes inside the madness.

Still didn't vote for it in the poll though.

treefell, Wednesday, 13 February 2013 23:21 (twelve years ago)

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Thursday, 14 February 2013 00:01 (twelve years ago)

no surprises there then really

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 14 February 2013 00:26 (twelve years ago)

though I thought more Prince fans would've been about.

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 14 February 2013 00:27 (twelve years ago)

Most Prince fans around here hate that album

Ima R.A.E.D. (DJP), Thursday, 14 February 2013 00:33 (twelve years ago)

Really? I thought prince fans thought it the 'neglected masterpiece'..

Surprised at the high Joni placing..

I did get NFNF in a turkish market, on cassette.

Mark G, Thursday, 14 February 2013 09:03 (twelve years ago)

Just saw this thread -- Neither Fish Nor Flesh is a deeply weird record, almost every song feels like the "experiment" on a mainstream album (ie, Hardline...) that casual fans would likely skip. Weird forms, weird instrumentation, weird lyrical conceits.

Sentimental fave: "Billy Don't Fall" -- his message to a gay dude that supports his right to be gay, just not to be gay for him.

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 14 February 2013 12:38 (twelve years ago)

wtf is wrong with Around the World in a Day? 5 killer songs out of 9 is damn good for a Prince album.

Crackle Box, Thursday, 14 February 2013 12:42 (twelve years ago)

xpost I think "This side of love" is my fav TTD song.

Mark G, Thursday, 14 February 2013 12:43 (twelve years ago)

Also, check out "The Incredible E. G. O'Reilly – The Birth Of Maudie "

Mark G, Thursday, 14 February 2013 12:47 (twelve years ago)

eight years pass...

The genealogy of this list can explain the use of the term "classic".
In 1950, Columbia University Press took a poll and made a list of the "15 most boring classics" (i.e. literature - the "winner" was Pilgrim's Progress by John Bunyan). This list was reprinted in The Book of Lists published in 1977.
When Dave Marsh was compiling the original Book of Rock Lists in 1981, he obviously wanted a similar list of albums, and had it compiled by critic John Swenson. It was called "John Swenson picks the most boring 15 classic albums", despite the fact that classic has a different connotation when applied to Proust vs. Iron Butterfly.
When Marsh redid this list for the 1994 edition of the book, he kept seven of Swenson's fifteen, and added both older and more recent albums, which is the list polled in this thread. For posterity, these are the eight (possibly) boring albums picked by Swenson in 1981 and unpicked by Marsh in 1994:

All Things Must Pass - George Harrison
At Carnegie Hall - Chicago
John Denver’s Greatest Hits
A Gift From a Flower to a Garden - Donovan
Goodbye Yellow Brick Road - Elton John
In-a-Gadda-Da-Vida - Iron Butterfly
The Sun Bear Concerts - Keith Jarrett
Time Has Come - The Chambers Brothers

Of this list of forty, my favourite is Physical Graffiti and most boring is Wheels of Fire (at least the live album).

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 25 March 2021 15:13 (four years ago)

I don't think that clarifies it much!

Running Wild in the 21st Century (Sund4r), Thursday, 25 March 2021 16:55 (four years ago)

Like, I don't think Kilroy Is Here and Pictures at an Exhibition are regarded as classics even by genre aficionados in the same way that Physical Graffiti is.

Running Wild in the 21st Century (Sund4r), Thursday, 25 March 2021 16:56 (four years ago)

I just meant that this is the source of the word "classic". Why else would both of the lists have 15 entries?
Obviously, Swenson and then Marsh combined well-reviewed albums with popular albums in their lists. I guess they just wanted to avoid including records that were total non-entities, poorly reviewed AND poor-selling.

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 25 March 2021 17:03 (four years ago)

"Boring" makes more sense with those other eight. Most of them are either very long albums or contain very long songs. (Although who would find "Time Has Come Today" boring?)

On the other hand, <i>Around the World in a Day</i> may be one of the more uneven Prince albums from that period, but I would definitely not describe it as "boring."

obvious, Thursday, 25 March 2021 18:09 (four years ago)

yea seeing that ELP album on there is weird, it's not a classic and it's certainly not "boring". if this was written in 1981 I guess it makes some sense

frogbs, Thursday, 25 March 2021 18:13 (four years ago)

Obviously, Swenson and then Marsh combined well-reviewed albums with popular albums in their lists. I guess they just wanted to avoid including records that were total non-entities, poorly reviewed AND poor-selling.

the confusing thing is they also include poorly-reviewed and unpopular albums like trans & satanic majesties. its like having a 'most boring classic films' list that includes lawrence of arabia and cats

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Thursday, 25 March 2021 19:07 (four years ago)

This was the 94 version. Sister was only released in 1987.

Running Wild in the 21st Century (Sund4r), Thursday, 25 March 2021 19:08 (four years ago)

Well, everyone seems to agree that this list is poorly named, with unclear criteria. This is why notions of "classic" and "canon" can't necessarily be carried over from literature or academia to pop fields.

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 25 March 2021 19:16 (four years ago)

I don't think people are that confused by classic rock radio or the Classic Albums Live project (https://www.classicalbumslive.com) or the BBC Classic Albums series (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_Albums). This list just seems especially weird, like it's made by people who are so in love with the canon that they need to pretend that Kilroy Was Here was a classic in order to take something down.

Running Wild in the 21st Century (Sund4r), Thursday, 25 March 2021 19:20 (four years ago)

Dave Marsh doesn't understand why or how people like what he doesn't like. I suspect he believes that all Styx, ELP and Neil Young fans adore all their albums without reservation, so he has to step in as the voice of truth.

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 25 March 2021 19:30 (four years ago)

Marsh complained one time that Bowie "discarded" his previous fans every time he made a stylistic change, whereas Bruce only brought in new fans with each new record.

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 25 March 2021 19:33 (four years ago)

Hotter Than Hell by Kiss was a commercially disappointing hit-less sophomore album which I doubt even Kiss fans consider a classic. Listing it smacks of deciding to hate on a particular band and then attacking them at their weakest point. iow previous two posters otm.

Josefa, Thursday, 25 March 2021 23:07 (four years ago)

Stuff like this is always meant to be hyperbolic, but yeah, some of the "boring" stuff on here feels like Marsh calling it so because he's too thickheaded to engage in anything beyond his narrow, conservative views of rock music. This is DeRogatis quoting Marsh so I'm not sure if he's getting it wrong, but Marsh supposedly justified his exclusion of the Ramones from his Heart of Rock & Soul book because "there's no blues" - that alone would explain a lot.

birdistheword, Friday, 26 March 2021 14:38 (four years ago)

In his defense, a lot of those albums do really suck.

birdistheword, Friday, 26 March 2021 14:39 (four years ago)

Elsewhere in the Book of Rock Lists, he calls Sparks and the Ramones "puerile satire" compared to the Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 26 March 2021 14:44 (four years ago)

Hotter Than Hell by Kiss was a commercially disappointing hit-less sophomore album which I doubt even Kiss fans consider a classic. Listing it smacks of deciding to hate on a particular band and then attacking them at their weakest point. iow previous two posters otm.

― Josefa, Thursday, March 25, 2021 4:07 PM

on the other hand, kiss deserves to be insulted at every legitimate opportunity, so. . .

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 26 March 2021 17:50 (four years ago)

Hah, true.

Anyway, I don't think Marsh is a great critic, but if Marsh was just an author who wrote books on the Who and Springsteen and didn't pretend to have expertise in every corner of rock, I'd say yeah, he's pretty good.

birdistheword, Friday, 26 March 2021 18:49 (four years ago)

The New Book Of Rock Lists (1994) was by Dave Marsh and James Bernard. Bernard was apparently a Kiss fan, hence the “Kiss was the P-Funk of white rock” in one of the lists (and holy hell, no they weren’t. I don’t know who was, but it wasn’t Kiss). Bernard also apparently placed Alive! in the Best Live Albums list, writing, “It’s great. Fuck you.” Marsh kept Alive 2 in the Worst Live Albums list: “Owning this is like putting a bad joke on a tape loop and locking yourself in a room with it. Once wasn’t enough?”

But yeah, like most critics, Marsh has his preferences and blind spots. But if really was the “I ONLY LIKE MEAT ‘N’ POTATOES ROCK” guy that he’s often made out to be, he probably wouldn’t love PiL’s Metal Box, or Sun Ra, nor would he put, say, the 12” club mix of Noel’s “Silent Morning” on his 1001 list.

Marsh supposedly justified his exclusion of the Ramones from his Heart of Rock & Soul book because "there's no blues" - that alone would explain a lot.

He didn’t say that was a bad thing (he praised them in the RS guides), just that the absence of blues (as far as Marsh could hear) in the Ramones meant they didn’t fit the parameters of his list. And he apparently heard blues in “Live To Tell,” and in Bonzo Goes To Washington’s “Five Minutes.”

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 26 March 2021 18:55 (four years ago)

I actually think it was good for my critical acumen to have read his books when I was young. It made me think harder about why I liked what I liked.
It's true he's a lot better on why Smokey Robinson is good than on why Queen or Devo are bad, but he really overplays that negative side in his public profile.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 26 March 2021 18:59 (four years ago)

I don’t know if he plays up the negative side so much as it’s played up by others (but I don’t have satellite radio, so I’ve never heard his shows). And I think part of why he’s better at explaining why Smokey is good than why Queen is bad is because he’s obviously gonna spend more time and consideration delving into the good stuff. It’s easy to tell with some of his reviews that he had a knee-jerk reaction based on maybe one listen (though on occasion, those knee-jerk reviews are accurate).

One thing I recalled recently is that he was apparently the only writer in a US mainstream publication to call out Disco Demolition at the time (1979) for being racist and homophobic:

“Your most paranoid fantasy about where the ethnic cleansing of the rock radio could ultimately lead… White males, eighteen to thirty-four are the most likely to see Disco as the product of homosexuals, blacks and Latins, and therefore they’re the most likely to respond to appeals to wipe out such threats to their security.”

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 26 March 2021 19:18 (four years ago)

I definitely read an article where Marsh proudly compiled a list of his own pretty witless negative reviews, like "Kate Bush is Patti Smith combined with a vacuum cleaner". Christgau, I think was often brilliantly perceptive in bad reviews, even for artists I love.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 26 March 2021 19:36 (four years ago)

a lot of provocations are so stupid you really don't need to show them the response they yearn for

Call of Scampi: Slack Nephrops (Noodle Vague), Friday, 26 March 2021 19:58 (four years ago)

or: clickbait avant la lettre, a history

Call of Scampi: Slack Nephrops (Noodle Vague), Friday, 26 March 2021 19:59 (four years ago)


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