The Onion Strikes Back

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How long until?

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 1 October 2002 19:19 (twenty-two years ago)

It's already happening with web radio.

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 1 October 2002 19:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Can I be the first one to pedantically point out that the article makes its point only by ignoring the fact that broadcast radio actually pays money to redistribute as royalties?

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 1 October 2002 20:16 (twenty-two years ago)

yes, yes you can sean. Which internet radio doesn't.

But now you killed my vibe, Im feeling old for my age now.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 00:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey, don't go bringing that up again! 8)

Kim (Kim), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 00:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I guess that it won't be long till I'm sitting in a room with a bunch of people whose necks and backs are arching, whose sight and hearings fading who just can't seem to get it up any more.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 00:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh! So you are going to pay 136 bucks to go to a Who concert after all?

(ba dum dum!)

Kim (Kim), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 00:54 (twenty-two years ago)

score:
Kim 1
Zac none.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 00:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Sean - radio pays publishing royalties, not recording royalties. The new law would make webradio (but not broadcast radio) recording royalties as well. These royalty rates have been set very high with the express purpose of driving out webradio. The justifications given are remarkably similar to the ones in the Onion 'article'.

James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 04:43 (twenty-two years ago)

So why are they doing this? Is it part of the record industry's maneuvering to gain a monopoly over music delivery on the web? It sure as hell sucks. Listening to WFMU over the net is one of the few things that gives meaning to my pathetic life.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 13:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Would WFMU have to pay additional royalties? I think since they're already paying for their broadcast, they wouldn't have to pay additional.

Isn't it just internet-only radio that will have to start paying? ..

And could they avoid paying if they only played music that was given to them by the artist/publisher for free? (i.e. demos, live recordings that are not owned by the record companies?)

Does RIAA represent artists or record companies (or both) ?

dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 13:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Shouldn't affect any radio station since they are just rebroadcasting. Though I haven't been following the yankee law since they started working on a similar one in the great white north. Lord only knows what its mutated into now.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 13:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I checked out the issue on WFMU's web-page, and it looks like they will be able to survive this terrible law, since 75% of the music that they play is non-US-major-label recordings. However, it will still add a lot of bureaucratic hassles for them. For instance, Yahoo will no longer carry them, or any other local radio stations.

See this link for details.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 13:46 (twenty-two years ago)

The fact that they're rebroadcasting a signal that is being broadcast over traditional radio apparently isn't a factor. It comes down to the fact that they don't play much major label music.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 13:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I looked at the RIAA website. Apparently, they will have to pay double licensing fees.. http://www.riaa.org/Licensing-Licen-3a.cfm

"Q10. Terrestrial radio stations don't pay sound recording copyright owners. Why should webcasters be treated any differently?
A. The lack of a broad sound recording performance right that applies to US terrestrial broadcasts is an historical accident."
(I hate when people use "an" before "historical".. "I walked up an hill to buy an hamburger.")


dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 13:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I like the use of the word 'accident'.

Let this be a lesson to us, we need to buy out all the senators before the RIAA does.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 14:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Im now determined to find the one before the CopyrightBoard, but instead found all sorts of useless information, like for the purposes of figuring out payments, music you hear during live entertainment by Adult Entertainment clubs are required by law to pay a different amount then live music from a cabarets, cafes, clubs, cocktail bars, dining rooms, lounges, resturants, roadhouses, taverans and other similar establishments. Which is completely different for Marching Bands and Floats with Music.
I could read this crap forever.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 14:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh MA GAWD

"$97.75 for one trunk line, plus $2.16 for each additional trunk line"

Useless tidbits like that make my day!

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 14:34 (twenty-two years ago)

let us praise Danny Goldberg, president of Artemis Records, who has suspended web-radio royalties for the next year in protest of this crap

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 21:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Apparently there are still a few legislators on the side of consumers:

Bill would allow copying of digital media for personal use

The bill, called the Digital Choice and Freedom Act, along with a similar bill scheduled to be introduced today, will "help to retard the growth of efforts to roll over consumers' rights," said Rep. Zoe Lofgren, D-San Jose.

o. nate (onate), Thursday, 3 October 2002 14:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Inspirational quote from that article: "sharing and stealing are not one in the same".

dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 3 October 2002 16:45 (twenty-two years ago)

And here a summary of what Zoe Lofgren's Bill is
and two of the bullet points just jump out at me...

Protects lawful consumers by permitting them to bypass technical measures that impede their rights and expectations.
DMCA? What DMCA? We don' need no steekeeng DMCA!

Protects lawful consumers by prohibiting non-negotiable shrink-wrap licenses that limit their rights and expectations.
Death to EULA's! RAHR!

You Go Zoe! You Go Zoe!

Lord Custos Alpha (Lord Custos Alpha), Thursday, 3 October 2002 18:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Does RIAA represent artists or record companies (or both) ?

They represent the record companies, who in turn protect their artists profit streams.

j.lu (j.lu), Thursday, 3 October 2002 22:42 (twenty-two years ago)

four years pass...

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/pitchfork_gives_music_6_8

StanM, Monday, 10 September 2007 17:12 (seventeen years ago)

Haha:

"In the end, though music can be brilliant at times, the whole medium comes off as derivative of Pavement."

duestown, Monday, 10 September 2007 20:20 (seventeen years ago)

The last sentence is fantastically devious (and knowing).

Just got offed, Monday, 10 September 2007 20:24 (seventeen years ago)

teh rofflez

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 10 September 2007 20:28 (seventeen years ago)

am i the only one who finds this to be kinda :/?

Jordan Sargent, Monday, 10 September 2007 20:34 (seventeen years ago)

Ha, the sidebar links to something old, an editorial by Stephen King entitled "I Don't Even Remember Writing The Tommyknockers" -- which, incredibly enough, I think he actually wound up saying about Cujo! And then exposed The Tommyknockers as an obvious allegory about doing too much coke: these people, right, they find this thing that gives the endless energy and creativity, except they get all paranoid and evil and lose tons of weight and go dead inside and ...

nabisco, Monday, 10 September 2007 20:35 (seventeen years ago)

Jordan, it's like basically the same running Pitchfork joke since 2000 -- fun to see it in the Onion, but if you've been paying attention to such things over the past decade it's kinda ... yeah

nabisco, Monday, 10 September 2007 20:36 (seventeen years ago)

like when the sub pop interns son you on a joke three years before you, it may be time to reconsider where your humor website is headed.

Jordan Sargent, Monday, 10 September 2007 20:41 (seventeen years ago)

sub pop's was much less funny

deej, Monday, 10 September 2007 20:45 (seventeen years ago)

xpost - ha!
I'd give the Onion's joke a 7.6 compared to Sub Pop's 6.2!

nabisco, Monday, 10 September 2007 20:46 (seventeen years ago)

6.0-6.9: Needs more white guitarists with black-rimmed glasses

this does not apply to sub pop.

Jordan Sargent, Monday, 10 September 2007 20:49 (seventeen years ago)

Schreiber's semi-favorable review, which begins in earnest after a six-paragraph preamble comprising a long list of baroquely rendered, seemingly unrelated anecdotes peppered with obscure references...

ya burnt!

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 10 September 2007 20:59 (seventeen years ago)

Schreiber doesn't even write reviews anymore.

jaymc, Monday, 10 September 2007 21:04 (seventeen years ago)

This isn't quite as good as MAD magazine's 'The Bunion' - zing after zing after ZING

DJ Mencap, Monday, 10 September 2007 21:07 (seventeen years ago)

the first line of this made me smile

gff, Monday, 10 September 2007 21:36 (seventeen years ago)

Music, a mode of creative expression consisting of sound and silence expressed through time, was given...

gff, Monday, 10 September 2007 21:37 (seventeen years ago)

satire of a satire of a satire of a satire

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 10 September 2007 21:41 (seventeen years ago)

It's weird to think that there was actually a time that The Onion was my homepage.

Pleasant Plains, Monday, 10 September 2007 21:43 (seventeen years ago)

The complaints about the lack of humor or reality in the Onion piece in this thread adds a new level of LOL to the original Onion piece.

Miza Din II, Tuesday, 11 September 2007 21:29 (seventeen years ago)

The Bunion = A+

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 01:57 (seventeen years ago)

Whatever, it's pretty funny.

(I didn't read all of it though)

W4LTER, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 02:02 (seventeen years ago)

Jackie Harvey 4-evah, though

dell, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 02:05 (seventeen years ago)


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