When did Lil Wayne officially fall off?

2008? 2009?

I'm thinking that the Hottest Nigga Under the Sun was his last hurrah

man it seems like this

the historical implications of lil wayne's current popularity

happened just yesterday

Whoops sorry folks

that's not a thread about when lil wayne fell off btw

lil wayne is annoying would be slightly closer, but it's about how lil wayne's new material retroactively cheapens his classic earlier stuff

yeah wayne's exhausted at this point. but even so, his spot on gucci's "bullet wound" shows he has some life left in him yet

when he began calling himself tunechi

yeah I didn't mean to say that this thread is duplicative, just felt like a year ago lil wayne was the biggest thing in rap and now he's trash

i feel like there's been a long, steady decline for the last 5 years, the same way there was a long steady improvement over 5+ years earlier in his career. but i'd put the steepest moment of decline at, like, early 2008 or late 2007, midway through the recording of Carter 3. you can tell that album could've been amazing if he'd just wrapped it up a few months earlier.

yup otm

tha carter III is classic

I place the black Tuesday crash a bit later than that, in the short window between No Ceilings and Rebirth.

Not a totally clean line, since Dedication 3 portended bad things, and Wayne still had a few good pop turns in him before prison, but that seems like the biggest, most sudden decline to me

how one feels about tha carter 3 is a pretty good litmus test for how i value their rap opinions

It's one of the more sensational collapses I've seen. Through 2006 and 2007 in my circles he was GREATEST RAPPER ALIVE

Some Dude 100% otm. Carter 3 has quite a few stellar jams, though.

Yeah, some dude otm, it's not something that happened all at once. I feel like No Ceilings was his last decent release tho, if we have to draw a line somewhere.

i remember j0rdan wrote something about his lyrics on 'no ceilings' being corny and at the time i'm not sure i was ready to concede he'd fallen off but retrospectively it's def. true.

i have no idea why so many people defend No Ceilings, it's totally unremarkable compared to, like, every freestyle tape he did before that.

that said, he did have an ok 2009 for guest verses/collabs compared to his 2008 output besides Carter 3

Is there such a thing as a "rap intervention" where a rapper's peers and weed carriers, like, trap a rapper in a hotel room outside Atlanta and just patiently am lovingly walk the rapper through empirical evidence demonstrating a decline? Pusha T needs one of these too

And yeah, No Ceilings was dire. A lot of people were in denial, I think.

Rebirth sucked eggs, IV was worse. I don't remember ANYTHING about the Young Money album except that "Every Girl" was the last Wayne-involved single I could ride for

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=hahKl1fivXY&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DhahKl1fivXY

In retrospect Carter III, if you're being generous, is about half plateau and half beginning-of-the-end but looking back at the tracklisting there's a hell of a lot I'd skip if I were ever to play it again. It does feel like an album that slightly awkwardly straddles two different eras though.

what al said

lil wayne is still really fucking popular btw... if he doesn't die prematurely there's a chance he goes down as one of the three or four most popular/successful rappers ever

wouldn't dying be better for his popularity ?

Is there such a thing as a "rap intervention" where a rapper's peers and weed carriers, like, trap a rapper in a hotel room outside Atlanta and just patiently am lovingly walk the rapper through empirical evidence demonstrating a decline?

If someone wraps intuitively and un-selfconsciously on syrup, then at some point can't stay on the syrup, then he may have a hard time getting back in that zone. (See also: many others.)

but yeah i agree with al. carter III is still a good album with, like, 5 unimpeachable songs, but it was very clear that he had taken a step down from his sqad/carter/carter II/mixtape run.

the thing i wrote about 'no ceilings' looks better as every day passes and either that or dedication 3 was when i was like "yeah, there's no turning back"

wouldn't dying be better for his popularity ?

― sisilafami, Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:39 AM (53 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

maybe, but probably not... he's already put out so much material. it would be a different thing than big & pac

I mean, here's how he was living in his creative prime.

I still think No Ceilings is pretty good, and after that it's a precipitous fall in quality.

Whoa at that GQ story

Reports of seizure on his plane?

:'-(

Hoping he's OK. Interestingly he's the second rapper (behind 2011 Rick Ross) who has suffered a seizure on a plane, landed, gotten treatment, then re-boarded and immediately suffered another in-air seizure and required a second same-day emergency landing. No idea how that's allowed to happen.

Lmao

Everyone in Omaha was really excited about his plane landing here fwiw

yikes shades of prince

ffs revive a different thread for news like this

Seriously, you made me think he fell off the plane.

so is he ok or what

lol idk sorry

When will Lil Wayne officially die?

http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/hip-hop/7401439/lil-wayne-good-spirits-recovering-minor-seizure