Chameleons "Swamp Thing".. best song ever ?

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If there's a better song than "Swamp Thing," what is it? "Up the Down Escalator" is the only other possibility, as far as I can tell. That's not to say that The Chameleons are the end-all, but damn if these songs don't speak to something inside me.

Tim D, Thursday, 3 October 2002 02:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Nothing wrong with a new Chameleons thread -- especially since I'll be seeing them about three times in a week towards the end of the month! But much as I love "Swamp Thing," I think I find myself drifting more these days towards other songs, especially in light of some particularly stunning performances over the years (Mark Burgess solo with "Second Skin" in 1993, the full band with "Caution" 2000, etc.). They do, however, speak to my soul, bless their persistent hearts. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 October 2002 03:16 (twenty-three years ago)

I just have to contribute to this thread because I saw the Chameleons live last night in DC and it was possibly the most amazing show I've ever been to. The band had so much energy and seemed so...just...HAPPY to be on stage and playing for us - it was just beautiful. They played 'Swamp Thing', which is defintely one of my favorites (it's one of those songs where, when I'm listening on my headphones, I just want to run up to the nearest person and let them hear it, so they can know how amazing it is too), but the real chills came when they played 'Second Skin' and 'Up the Down Escalator'... for some reason that stuff just hits about a thousand times harder.

Emily (emily), Thursday, 3 October 2002 03:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Ned and Emily and anyone else who's seen them live or who's going to seem them live on their current tour -- much jealousy your way. :) I'm glad you enjoyed the concert Emily. I would have surely been in Atlanta a couple nights back had I not recently been moving into a new house. Sorrow aplenty... Damn, Ned... three times in a week. Paint yourself lucky. Enjoy!

Finally, for anyone who remotely cares, yes I'm the same Tim D from a while back... I've taken a long hiatus from ILM for various reasons. But I'm back because "I love music" and I'm a dork.

Tim D, Thursday, 3 October 2002 03:37 (twenty-three years ago)

I just got reminded of that banjo-driven song of the same name by The Grid. Woah, that sucked.

Andrew (enneff), Thursday, 3 October 2002 04:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, I'd say it was pretty moving WHEN I SAW THEM PLAY IT LIVE LAST NIGHT WHILE STANDING ABOUT THREE FEET FROM THE STAGE. ;-) They played a song off their newest LP first, then introduced themselves very humbly "We're the Chameleons, from Manchester" (as if anyone in the audience didn't know!) before launching straight into "A Person Isn't Safe - Anywhere These Days", at which point my skin rippled with goosebumps (which remained for much of the show). All I can do is second Emily's thoughts and impressions - the show was outstanding, the audience obviously enraptured and moved, the band delighted. I never thought I'd get to see these guys live, but damn if I didn't, and I feel very very lucky. I hope you enjoy the shows, Ned, you obsessive. ;-) BTW, did you ever get the Comsats CD I sent to you?

Clarke B., Thursday, 3 October 2002 04:14 (twenty-three years ago)

I did, thanks. You are a kind man. :-) But now I actually have to get around to listening to the durn thing. ;-)

One of the three shows is 'semi-acoustic' -- very cool.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 October 2002 04:16 (twenty-three years ago)

BTW, welcome back, Tim - and the mere fact that you started this thread automatically exempts you from dorkhood.

Clarke B., Thursday, 3 October 2002 04:18 (twenty-three years ago)

the song has weaknesses. namely, every section except the verses. but it is good.

ron (ron), Thursday, 3 October 2002 04:24 (twenty-three years ago)

The 'Second Skin/Up The Down Escalator' sequence is the cat's whiskers for me - with 'Caution' not far behind (er, area just behind cat's whiskers).

Ned you naughty man where is that info about a 'Chameleons list' ?

Plus - I DESPERATELY NEED TO KNOW WHAT WAS ON THAT COMSATS CD

Ray M (rdmanston), Thursday, 3 October 2002 09:09 (twenty-three years ago)

SOUL IN ISOLATION!!!

(obv.)

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 3 October 2002 10:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh yeah, the list...er, write me again directly, otherwise I'll never remember.

The Comsats CD was the Dream Command album.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 October 2002 16:23 (twenty-three years ago)

i have a weird relationship with the chameleons - script of the bridge' is one of my all time favourite and most listened to albums but i don't really like anything else by them that much. 'script..' however has been with me through good and bad times and is one of the few albums where i have to listen to it all the way through if i put it on. every song is a masterpiece.

stirmonster, Thursday, 3 October 2002 17:28 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm gonna see them tonite!!! I can't wait. I really can't. I feel like a schoolgurl.

Scott Seward, Thursday, 3 October 2002 19:31 (twenty-three years ago)

although i love the chameleons, "swamp thing" (for me) isn't even the best song on _strange times_, never mind their career. i'd put "tears" and "caution" above it.

Tim Bugbee, Friday, 4 October 2002 09:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Essential plug #2 - Chameleons play in Montreal on October 7 & 8. My good friends' band Bordello (www.bordello.ca) is opening on the 8th. If you're around, come join us! I can already hear their tune...

Simon, Saturday, 5 October 2002 00:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Saw the Chameleons tonight... great, great show, great energy, great crowd, great club.

Jody Beth Rosen, Saturday, 5 October 2002 05:03 (twenty-three years ago)

I have tickets to the Chicago show next Monday....I've seen the set lists...
I CAN'T WAIT!!!!!! I feel like a little kid...My friends think I'm nuts...They just don't understand...Soul in Isolation, Live!!!
Holy cow....................Please keep sending reviews and feedback.....Later

Jeff Duris, Monday, 7 October 2002 00:55 (twenty-three years ago)

(I am upset that Andrew stole my joke.)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 7 October 2002 02:51 (twenty-three years ago)

It's a very very good song...but no song is the best ever...even the Chameleons with their album, "This Never Ending Now" would probably agree with that. If one day time suddenly stopped and nothing or anything could continue on, I'd have Swamp List among the 100 greatest moments in music history.

Among the Chameleons songs, I've created an unscientific survey (web poll) of The Chameleons fans 3 all-time favorite songs by the Chameleons.

So far, I've received about 70 votes, out of the 70 votes on about 25 great songs by the Chameleons the most chosen Chameleons song was:

(please join the Yahoo Chameleons club and participate in this survey at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chameleonsukgroup/ )

"Second Skin"-12 votes; "Soul in Isolation"-8 Votes; and "Swamp Thing"-6 votes.

I think Swamp Thing is an important song by the Chameleons to me since that was the first song I heard by the Chameleons which pretty much much made me an addict of their music.

I think a stronger case can be made that the four "Tony Fletcher Walked on water, la la la la la.......recordings are the best four Chameleons songs played in sequence.

tones, Monday, 7 October 2002 21:03 (twenty-three years ago)

Where can I find info on tour dates? Hah, like I have a chance. But still, curious.

JC (JC A.), Monday, 7 October 2002 21:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Off to the official website with ya! ;-)

http://www.thechameleons.com/

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 7 October 2002 21:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Thanks Ned. As predicted, no Texas dates planned. Sigh. I shall now recoil to the abyss that is my jealousy. ;-)

JC (JC A.), Monday, 7 October 2002 22:09 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...
I would say that "Swamp Thing" is among my least favorite Chameleons songs.

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 17 June 2004 14:42 (twenty-one years ago)

My view way above still holds, and actually there's a version of the song by Boston band the Curtain Society which, while nearly an exact copy, gives me the chance to hear the song in a different way, retaining all I loved about it but with an added freshness.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 June 2004 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Every time I hear the intro to "Swamp Song" I immediately think of Oasis, but I'm not sure why... I feel like there's some Oasis song that has the a similar sound or riff, but I can't put my finger on which song this would be.

King Kobra (King Kobra), Thursday, 17 June 2004 15:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I think that Noel Gallagher actually used the line 'Is it any wonder?' as his speech when he accepted some music award.

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 17 June 2004 15:43 (twenty-one years ago)

It was the 1995 or 1996 Brits, when they accepted "Best Band" (they won both years, I think).
I thought he was quoting from Bowie's "Fame", but who really knows.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 17 June 2004 15:45 (twenty-one years ago)

GOD STRANGE TIMES IS SO AWESOME I WANT TO LISTEN TO IT RIGHT NOW

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 17 June 2004 16:12 (twenty-one years ago)

When I first heard the intro riff to "Swamp Thing" I was like WO

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 17 June 2004 16:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I think that Noel Gallagher actually used the line 'Is it any wonder?' as his speech when he accepted some music award.

I asked him point blank about his fandom when I met him in 2000 and he confirmed he adored the band quite a bit.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 June 2004 16:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I really like the sublime guitar chords on "Soul in Isolation." They're soft but they're the COOLEST GUITAR SOUND EVER

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 17 June 2004 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)

"Soul in Isolation" should be fifteen minutes long.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 17 June 2004 17:50 (twenty-one years ago)

fuck it, best band ever ;)

cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 17 June 2004 17:59 (twenty-one years ago)

ive always been partial to "monkeyland" myself

kephm, Thursday, 17 June 2004 18:00 (twenty-one years ago)

"Monkeyland" AND "Soul in Isolation" should both be about fifteen minutes long...in response to two obvious postings.

Ian Moraine (Eastern Mantra), Thursday, 17 June 2004 22:14 (twenty-one years ago)

'Swamp Thing' evokes more than any other song my L.A. goth years...

Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Friday, 18 June 2004 08:02 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...
John Peel is playing this track NOW

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 9 September 2004 22:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow, was that one of Scott Seward's first ever posts way up there?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 September 2004 22:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Saw the Chameleons tonight... great, great show, great energy, great crowd, great club.
-- Jody Beth Rosen (edito...), October 5th, 2002.

i was there too, what an amazing night it was.

kephm, Friday, 10 September 2004 12:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I had to listen to "Strange Times" due to this thread revival (of course). Suddenly, I was overcome with how little the album has dated -- it could have been recorded at any time in the last twenty years.

And I've said it on other Chameleons threads, but I'll say it again : "Soul In Isolation" is their best. This is not going to change. On the "She Sells Sanctuary" thread, there was talk about a particular whoop or yell from Ian Astbury near the end. That yell really cinches the ending. Well, in the last two minutes of "Soul In Isolation", Mark Burgess is responsible for about a dozen of those moments.

I will alert the mods and have the thread title changed accordingly.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 10 September 2004 13:37 (twenty-one years ago)

two years pass...
MUST GET TONY FLETCHER WALKED ON WATER

MUST ALSO CONVINCE CHAMELEONS TO DO AT LEAST ONE (1) MORE TOUR

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 28 September 2006 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

MUST FIND THAT CHAMELEONS RECORD I HAVE AND LISTEN TO IT AGAIN. it's been far too long. the mere mention of "up the down escalator" up there has sent chills down my spine. wow.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 28 September 2006 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

so, today i heard "swamp thing" for the first time.

wow.

HOW have i missed this song? given that it's pretty much the acme of epic post-punk, and epic post-punk is pretty much what i live to hear, i feel i've spent my entire listening life missing out.

there's a whole shitload of joyous chameleons-related listening to come, i feel. anyway: it's times like this i love ILM. thanks, dudes.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 21:17 (nineteen years ago)

!!!

The first time, Grimly! My heavens!

I missed the earlier revival, yeeps.

And yes, enjoy it all. And enjoy the AMG reviews. I forget what savant wrote them all. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 21:22 (nineteen years ago)

I've still got a real soft spot for 'Up The Down Escalator'. First record I ever bought as a kid without actually having heard it first, or even ever heard of the band before. Must have been the way he was holding his bass on the cover, must have been something, dunno what. Never been a huge fan of 'Swamp Thing', just a little too overblown for my liking.

NickB (NickB), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 21:41 (nineteen years ago)

"Swamp Thing" is really great, so is "Mad Jack," but for me the one that went on all the high school/college mixtapes was "Soul In Isolation." The lyrics really get to me.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 5 October 2006 02:59 (nineteen years ago)

"Swamp Thing" and "Soul in Isolation" are fantastic and rocked many of my teen goth nights, but I never liked anything else by them...

Baaderonixx in the year of the locusts (baaderonixx), Thursday, 5 October 2006 06:51 (nineteen years ago)

Have you heard the earlier stuff like 'In Shreds'? Way more gothy and rocking.

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 5 October 2006 08:41 (nineteen years ago)

It's funny that everyone always talks about the first half of Strange Times, because the second half was actually what hooked me at first, particularly "Time" and "Childhood". I think these songs are a little less overblown and easier to digest than some of the early songs, which may be why I took an early shine to them. Now, there isn't a song on the album I don't really like, but I still see the second half rarely mentioned.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Thursday, 5 October 2006 14:24 (nineteen years ago)

Can't believe I never noticed this thread; I once spent two weeks listening to this song on repeat. It's playing in my head right now.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 October 2006 14:48 (nineteen years ago)

"So loooooooooooooooooooong..."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 October 2006 15:19 (nineteen years ago)

"One Flesh" pwns pwns pwns

0xDOX0RNUTX0RX0RSDABITFIELDXOR^0xDEADBEEFDEADBEEF00001 (donut), Thursday, 5 October 2006 15:44 (nineteen years ago)

Definitely. If I had to create a top five of Chams songs -- hell, a top three -- it would be "Swamp Thing," "Second Skin" and "One Flesh." (Top five, include "Up the Down Escalator" and "Caution.")

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 October 2006 15:48 (nineteen years ago)

i want to listen to this song really badly right now but i won't be getting home until much later. THANKS A LOT, NED

i have a hard time listening to "monkeyland" for non-obvious reasons (namely, my friend walked in on me once while i was singing along (badly) to it and now i tend to associate it with that embarrassment)

joseph (joseph), Thursday, 5 October 2006 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

This thread is making me wispy. I bought Strange Times 3 or 4 years ago due to the advice of an ILM thread. Thanks, ILM!

mcd (mcd), Thursday, 5 October 2006 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

THANKS A LOT, NED

U R WELCOME

Apparently I might perhaps be inside your head dictating your musical choices.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 October 2006 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

I once spent two weeks listening to this song on repeat

i'm on my 10th listen, easily, since yesterday morning. HOW THE FUCK HAVE I MISSED THIS SONG? i'm having to make up for lost time. mind you, if student-me had heard this, he'd have combusted on the spot, so perhaps it's just as well.

no, i'm not going to listen again. i'm going to finish this new order live thing i downloaded the other day and go to bed.

no, really.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 5 October 2006 23:02 (nineteen years ago)

two years pass...

for me, the unsung hero on strange times has got to be 'caution'. i love the tenebrous guitar line, the massive drums and how everything is so loosely kept in check. i love the intro to 'swamp song' but find parts of the track to be a little bit, i don't know... saccharine? i really tend to prefer the overtly dark shades this band touches on.

Charlie Howard, Tuesday, 8 September 2009 15:37 (sixteen years ago)

If it isn't the best rock song ever, it's close.

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 8 September 2009 15:43 (sixteen years ago)

You've probably seen them, but there are nice notes on lots of the songs on the Chameleons webpage. These are the ones for 'Caution':

Notes by Mark - As I said on the album description the vocal was completely spontaneous, nothing actually written when I stepped up to the mike to do the take. I'd tried to write something down but to be honest I was struggling and decided to use a 'stream f consciousness' approach, which involved a litre of wine in a very dark vocal booth. We did about six takes all in all, each completely different, but I could tell from the Producer's voice on the intercom that we had something special. I'd placed a glass on the floor, in the dark, and during te takes I'd somehow broken it without realising and cut myself. The Producer and engineer couldn't see me so when it was finished they drew back the curtain and turned on the lights to find me covered in blood, they thought, I think, that I'd been mutilating myself in the name of method performance. I did nothing to kill the myth :-)

The wine might explain the laughter at the start of the track, have always loved how that song starts.

Peinlich Manoeuvre (NickB), Tuesday, 8 September 2009 15:51 (sixteen years ago)

yeah the laugh is great as a segue into the guitar line.

Charlie Howard, Tuesday, 8 September 2009 15:54 (sixteen years ago)

I was listening to Strange Times yesterday on my ride back home and you better believe I cranked up "Caution" and "Swamp Thing" loudest. Good job ILX. "Caution" wins out over "Swamp Thing" because it's their most goth track, and second-most psychedelic after "View From A Hill," and it sounds like "Is It Any Wonder?" except it's way more creepy and hypnotic

Lord Crutsos Omicron (Curt1s Stephens), Tuesday, 8 September 2009 22:04 (sixteen years ago)

and it has that awesome LOUD ENDING!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lord Crutsos Omicron (Curt1s Stephens), Tuesday, 8 September 2009 22:05 (sixteen years ago)

it sounds like halloween and christmas at the same time

Lord Crutsos Omicron (Curt1s Stephens), Tuesday, 8 September 2009 22:07 (sixteen years ago)


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