― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 3 October 2002 16:54 (twenty-three years ago)
Search: "Mad World", "Shout", "Everybody Wants To Rule The World", "Mothers Talk", "Sowing The Seeds Of Love", "Shout", "Head Over Heels", "Shout" and especially "SHOUT".
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 3 October 2002 17:04 (twenty-three years ago)
'Advice For The Young At Heart''Woman In chains''Laid So Low (Tears Roll Down)''Elemental (Album)'
'Sowing The Seeds Of Love's is great tho, i think the way the song has three stages and the way they are sequenced is utterly superb...i mean the bit where the brass comes in taking over from the existent verse/chorus sequence...AND THEN that amazing 'Lucy In The Sky...' style rip off towards the end - supoib, tho you could just listen to 'Sgt Peppers' i suppose
― blueski, Thursday, 3 October 2002 17:09 (twenty-three years ago)
― Matt C., Thursday, 3 October 2002 17:21 (twenty-three years ago)
― Manny Parsons (Rahul Kamath), Thursday, 3 October 2002 17:27 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 3 October 2002 17:27 (twenty-three years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 3 October 2002 17:28 (twenty-three years ago)
― My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Thursday, 3 October 2002 18:34 (twenty-three years ago)
the hurting is CLASSIC
― geeg, Thursday, 3 October 2002 18:35 (twenty-three years ago)
― Sean (Sean), Thursday, 3 October 2002 18:52 (twenty-three years ago)
DESTROY: Everything after SONGS FROM THE BIG CHAIR
Not sure about that 'last New Wave' bad claim.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 3 October 2002 19:19 (twenty-three years ago)
― A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 3 October 2002 19:43 (twenty-three years ago)
― Vic Funk, Thursday, 3 October 2002 20:48 (twenty-three years ago)
― Vinnie (vprabhu), Thursday, 3 October 2002 20:56 (twenty-three years ago)
― brg30 (brg30), Thursday, 3 October 2002 21:04 (twenty-three years ago)
― willem (willem), Thursday, 3 October 2002 21:39 (twenty-three years ago)
Woman in Chains. No!
― Kim (Kim), Friday, 4 October 2002 09:09 (twenty-three years ago)
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 4 October 2002 12:20 (twenty-three years ago)
― Rockist Scientist, Friday, 4 October 2002 12:24 (twenty-three years ago)
― Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 4 October 2002 12:34 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 4 October 2002 13:13 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ess Kay (esskay), Friday, 4 October 2002 13:25 (twenty-three years ago)
― scott pl. (scott pl.), Friday, 4 October 2002 15:11 (twenty-three years ago)
I just bought a v.cheap compilation in Fopp - they weren't very good is my expert opinion. "Pale Shelter" is pretty smart though. Spandau Ballet did it all with much more panache.
― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 15:44 (twenty-two years ago)
My wife was *B L A S T I N G* Spandau Ballet all day yesterday (courtesy of the GOLD best-of,.....god help us).
TFF-wise again, yes...."Woman in Chains" is gawdawful. But there's simply no arguing with "Change," "Pale Shelter" and "Mad World." Hell, I still love "Shout" and "Head over Heels" as well.
Spandau Ballet, though? There is a special circle in Hell reserved for me where that is all they play.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 16:13 (twenty-two years ago)
I don't really see what Spandau Ballet have got to do with it, Tom.
― Tag, Tuesday, 18 February 2003 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 16:17 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 16:19 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 16:20 (twenty-two years ago)
And "Sowing the Seeds" is quite perfect, for what it is, which is the best Beatles homage that XTC was too anal to ever truly accomplish. Partridge actually did a fair amount of mentoring for Roland and Curt--I bet he was pissed off when they outdid him on this one.
My crackpot theory: Tears for Fears was not a very original band at all, but every time they took on a challenge they met it. I am at work now so I can't spend time defending this theory. Maybe I'll start a blog or something.
My son's favorite song these days is "Everybody Wants to Rule the World," which he was singing while sitting on the toilet this morning. (He's four, so it's still cute.) At least he wasn't singing his second fave: "Shout, shout, let it all out..."
― Neudonymz, Tuesday, 18 February 2003 16:23 (twenty-two years ago)
Always thought it sounded too much like Elton John slaughtering "I Am the Walrus."
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 16:26 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tag, Tuesday, 18 February 2003 16:29 (twenty-two years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 16:31 (twenty-two years ago)
― Neudonym, Tuesday, 18 February 2003 16:32 (twenty-two years ago)
Early SB is full of angst!
― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 16:33 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)
― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 16:35 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tag, Tuesday, 18 February 2003 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 16:50 (twenty-two years ago)
― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 16:53 (twenty-two years ago)
Great news is that Roland and Curt are now back together recording a new Tears for Fears album. And about time, too.
― russ t, Tuesday, 18 February 2003 16:59 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 17:01 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 19:01 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tag, Tuesday, 18 February 2003 19:06 (twenty-two years ago)
TfF, on the other hand started out as repressed middle-class Montessori school weirdos - ten years earlier they woulda been into Genesis... the first two lps really define 80s progpop (see also Blancmange, Kershaw, Jones). They got into "soul" in the same way someone like Peter Gabriel did - as though they at last had found their "true voice" and got a bit less uptight, but more pompous (and less fun).
― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 19:27 (twenty-two years ago)
― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 19:49 (twenty-two years ago)
I had a wonderful emotional experience with an unintentional soundtrack of "Everybody Wants To Rule The World" late last year, which makes it hard for me to discuss the song objectively. I've always thought it was TFF's best moment.
― robin carmody (robin carmody), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 01:16 (twenty-two years ago)
― robin carmody (robin carmody), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 01:17 (twenty-two years ago)
I do sooo love "Head Over Heels," "Shout," "Everybody Wants To..."
"Sowing The Seeds Of Love" rocked my world as much as any other cassingle. My mom wouldn't let me by the album cuz she looked at the song listing and noticed "Woman In Chains" "Bad Man's Song" and the songs about Knives and assumed they were metal or something, or at least violent and mysoginist.
They were pompous assholes though. I never liked "Change" but after I saw the video on VH1 Classic I turned around. Orzabal looked so cute dancing around with those kabuki people.
Relatively smart new wavers=classic, definitely
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 01:47 (twenty-two years ago)
Oh please......labels labels labels. Boring boring boring.
Blancmange were a brilliant, witty, much underrated band who should've been a whole lot bigger than they ever were.
Progpop? I smile as I type it, even......
― russ t, Wednesday, 19 February 2003 12:20 (twenty-two years ago)
The idea of seeing X'ian Death on a beach in the OC is making me giggle. Looks totally awesome
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 21 June 2023 09:05 (two years ago)
Thought B-52s did a farewell tour already?
― Vinnie, Wednesday, 21 June 2023 13:34 (two years ago)
KISS did one in the 90s
― the manwich horror (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 21 June 2023 13:42 (two years ago)
That many acts in a single day, how do they even do that? They must all share the same gear.
― henry s, Wednesday, 21 June 2023 13:44 (two years ago)
that just wrapped up so I guess this could be considered a finale. I've actually never seen them so that's part of the reason why I'm tempted by this (along with the Cardigans, who are never going to tour the US if their FB comments are to be believed)
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Wednesday, 21 June 2023 15:19 (two years ago)
iirc the B-52s have stopped touring but said they’d still play the occasional festival and suchbonkers lineup but seeing as i couldn’t get it together for cruel world, which was literally seven miles from my house…
― donna rouge, Wednesday, 21 June 2023 15:42 (two years ago)
Pre-Tears For Fears Graduate appearing on Mike Reid's Runaround children's quiz show in 1980! What a strange (and not very good) band, what were they trying to be? Now a-gih a-gih a-gih gooooooooooo!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0Il4Sh9TQQ
― The First Time Ever I Saw Gervais (Tom D.), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 11:32 (two years ago)
kind of a new wave take on 60s mod pop?
― blazin' squab (NickB), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 11:44 (two years ago)
really hate that madness-esque turnaround thing at the end of the verses
― blazin' squab (NickB), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 11:46 (two years ago)
when i say that madness-esque turnaround thing, i might actually mean ian dury-esque, but you know what i mean
― blazin' squab (NickB), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 11:50 (two years ago)
New wave take on mod with a fucking flute?
― The First Time Ever I Saw Gervais (Tom D.), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 11:53 (two years ago)
weren't there some mod/garage/freakbeat-type bands with flutes? like the troggs or someone
― blazin' squab (NickB), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 12:17 (two years ago)
I'm not saying it's not a weird thing btw, just groping for some sort of context
― blazin' squab (NickB), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 12:18 (two years ago)
what were they trying to be?
PJ Harvey
― Vinnie, Wednesday, 11 October 2023 12:25 (two years ago)
(xp) "Wild Thing" had an ocarina on it. Never mind the mod thing though how many new wave acts had a flautist in their ranks?
― The First Time Ever I Saw Gervais (Tom D.), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 12:30 (two years ago)
(xp) lol
― The First Time Ever I Saw Gervais (Tom D.), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 12:31 (two years ago)
I read "ocarina" as "cocaine"
― hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 12:31 (two years ago)
Annie Lennox was a flautist, there's flute on a couple of Eurythmics tracks. Not sure she ever used it in the Tourists though (I have never listened to the Tourists)
― blazin' squab (NickB), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 12:37 (two years ago)
But that's by the bye really, the flute on that song is very much part of its 60s-ness imo, the new wave bit is the production and clunky chorus
― blazin' squab (NickB), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 12:41 (two years ago)
Plenty of flute examples in and around the era. Genesis and Jethro Tull (of course); Tears for Fears love their prog. But "Down Under" was only the next year, and not long before we get to "One Night in Bangkok." That TFF song def. sounds more like the '60s than 1980 to me, disco-y Ian Dury turnaround bit aside.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 October 2023 13:11 (two years ago)
Kraftwerk had flute through Autobahn
― J. Sam, Wednesday, 11 October 2023 13:24 (two years ago)
not sure they were going for a prog thing really, this was how they were presenting themselves at the time...
https://bluehatrecords.files.wordpress.com/2020/07/elvis-should-play-ska-flyer-with-tour-dates.jpg
― blazin' squab (NickB), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 13:28 (two years ago)
uncanny how the logo on the kick drum resembles a 'play' icon, that was clever of them
― blazin' squab (NickB), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 13:32 (two years ago)
I'd say they were just young and confused because the flute calls to mind capering prog folk before it does the groovy 60s.
― The First Time Ever I Saw Gervais (Tom D.), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 13:35 (two years ago)
yes to young and confused plus also throwing whatever instruments they'd learned as kids into the mix, just cos it seemed like a good idea at the time
― blazin' squab (NickB), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 13:37 (two years ago)
some more footage here that has them sounding somehwere between xtc, secret affair and madness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTuFviRPwzc
― blazin' squab (NickB), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 13:43 (two years ago)
“Elvis Should Play Ska”. A light jab at Elvis Costello, after the famous rocker took a swipe at the genre, the track is filled with the up-strummed chords, a spiky guitar solo and some fantastic drumming. No horns, but the track is so bouncy and catchy they aren’t really needed.
Wonder if this song was written before 2 Tone took off. The skank of "Detectives" and "Chelsea" seems an odd thing to object to.
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Wednesday, 11 October 2023 13:44 (two years ago)
The album is pretty good IIRC but then I like this sort of thing.
Elvis Costello, after the famous rocker took a swipe at the genre
Wait, what? At the least EC was pretty tuned in to and in tune with 2 Tone.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 October 2023 13:57 (two years ago)
kind of interesting that Mark Hollis started out making fairly similar music in The Reaction as their careers maybe followed somewhat similar paths through the 80s:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlxZ8FW2q8g
― blazin' squab (NickB), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 14:00 (two years ago)
xp I took it as a bad choice of words and what they meant was Elvis having done skaish tunes
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Wednesday, 11 October 2023 14:03 (two years ago)
more like "took a stab" perhaps?
― blazin' squab (NickB), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 14:06 (two years ago)
They sound more like XTC than anyone else tbh. The mod connection seems like a bit of bandwagon jumping.
― The First Time Ever I Saw Gervais (Tom D.), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 14:07 (two years ago)
would imagine that xtc's influence was pretty strong in that part of the country
― blazin' squab (NickB), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 14:16 (two years ago)
Indeed!
― The First Time Ever I Saw Gervais (Tom D.), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 14:20 (two years ago)
was actually living somewhere between bath and swindon at that time, but would've been too young to have recognized the pungent scent of partridge in the breeze
― blazin' squab (NickB), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 14:23 (two years ago)
That I know or have known numerous people who went to school with TFF is one of my not-at-all-claims-to-fame-but-I-like-mentioning-it
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Wednesday, 11 October 2023 14:25 (two years ago)
were they too visible from westbury white horse?
― blazin' squab (NickB), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 14:43 (two years ago)
watched this live a couple weeks back, Curt Smith performing Mad World at a temple here in L.A.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGAFYGHvEhA
― omar little, Wednesday, 11 October 2023 16:33 (two years ago)
xp Probably not - Beckford's Tower is the main spot in Bath to see the horse
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Wednesday, 11 October 2023 16:38 (two years ago)
my username is v. shit but that's what I get for making an account here about eight years before I began posting
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Wednesday, 11 October 2023 16:40 (two years ago)
I read "ocarina" as "cocaine"― hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn)
― hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn)
the legend of zelda: cocaine of time
― Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 17:03 (two years ago)
Trying to remember the Chris Morris quote about Sowing The Seeds Of Love.
― djh, Wednesday, 11 October 2023 19:25 (two years ago)
Really had no idea Orzabal and Smith had made music like this. I always thought "kick out the Style, bring back the Jam" was a weird line because TFF are closer to the Style, but now I'm rethinking things
― Vinnie, Wednesday, 11 October 2023 20:28 (two years ago)
What sort of thing is it though?
― The First Time Ever I Saw Gervais (Tom D.), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 20:45 (two years ago)
Tuneful jerky new wave+power pop hinterland
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Thursday, 12 October 2023 00:05 (two years ago)
There was thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBq6pBhyNq8
― PaulTMA, Thursday, 12 October 2023 00:13 (two years ago)
blood incantation turned me onto “seeds of love”. great record
― secretary of state for fractal pluripotencies (||||||||), Wednesday, 20 November 2024 12:55 (one year ago)
What is the connection to Blood Incantation? Wouldn’t have expected much influence from that record. It’s my favorite Tears for Fears though.
― o. nate, Wednesday, 20 November 2024 15:33 (one year ago)
I think they bought a copy of that record in a What's In Your Bag? episode.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 20 November 2024 17:00 (one year ago)