Taking sides: Madonna or Janet Jackson?

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I was flipping through a feature on Janet recently. After doing a quick mental catalog of her hits, I realized she blows away Madonna in my mind, something I'd never realized previous. Janet has a subtley of approach that moves me in a much deeper way than anything Madonna has cooked up (though I dig most of her hits, too). I'm thinking of tracks like "When I Think Of You", "Got Til Its Gone" and "That's The Way Love Goes." Compared to these tracks, Madonna just seems so on the nose.

Which of the two do you prefer and why?

Mark, Wednesday, 9 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

In terms of my eighties memories, Janet had some of the killer cuts thanks to _Control_ and _Rhythm Nation_ (and you're right, "When I Think of You" -- sometimes I think that was the best song of the decade), but Madonna was just Madonna, untouchable. Omnipresent and damn, damn good.

Then the nineties happened -- and frankly, at this point, Janet all the way. But if it really came down it, I'd rate both equally high.

Now, if we were talking Cyndi Lauper vs. LaToya...

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 9 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Madonna all the way. Janet Jackson, nothing but stupid dance routines covering up crap tunes.

Omar, Thursday, 10 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Madonna. Her best-of is one of my most-played CDs and most-loved CDs ever. Janet's best-of, meanwhile, I like a lot but it comes on once or twice a year and then only for a few songs. A solid second- division pop artist, for me. I'm too headachey to go into why (esp. without the JJ CD to hand) but I think I feel Madonna's songs more, and the hooks are better and the song-scenarios are better.

"Got Til It's Gone" is one of those records I just cannot get into, actually.

Tom, Thursday, 10 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Even Madonna's weedy-thin voice is a thousand times richer than Janet's steam-releasing hiss.

Janet Jackson is a plague on this earth.

alex in nyc, Thursday, 10 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I love both, but I still think the contest isn't even a close one: Madonna definitively kicks Janet's ass. Even though almost everything Madonna has said and done since Ray of Shite has been awful and embarassing, she still has some brief shining moments of goodness like Beautiful Stranger. Even if she had never done any thing after Like a Virgin, I think I would still pick Madonna. While I think Janet's career has been more consistent quality-wise and I love most of Janet's hits, but they fail to touch me the way that Borderline or Bad Girl (or a dozen others at least!) do.

Nicole, Thursday, 10 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Madonna. You have to respect somebody who managed to stay in the bubbly-teen-pop business long past most other people's sell-by date. I love "Human Nature" too, and all that fucked up EQing in "Music". Janet had good singles occasionally like "Go Deep" (and how can you not love "Got Till It's Gone" with that great fuck you sample?!) but The Velvet Rope was much more boring than any of Madonna's sex stuff.

Dave M., Thursday, 10 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The thing with Janet Jackson is that she whispers all her songs, and I reckon it's the same song everytime. Madonna up until around 1990 wins easily, after that I think she's just as bad as JJ.

james e l, Thursday, 10 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

MADONNA Because she is proof that persona is as important as music

anthony, Thursday, 10 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Madonna. I like Janet well enough because her songwriters are good and her producers are good. But her voice makes Madge sound like an opera diva, and half her act is a bit taken off Madonna anyhow. Plus, those freaky boobs.

Madonna, on the other hand, is pretty much a culture defining event, or was back in the day. Janet has no claim to that.

Ally, Friday, 11 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think Janet is just slightly better than Madonna at the moment (both have the potential to pull out both good songs and stinkers, but Janet's ratio is a tad batter than Madge's), but overall Madonna obviously wins. I'd move the end of her best years forward to '92 though.

Tim, Friday, 11 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The tribe has spoken and its Madge going away. I think I'll go put on "Escapade" and call it a night.

Mark, Sunday, 13 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

one month passes...
JANET JACKSON!!! Madonna....please. The woman only knows shock value. Her music stinks and has no lasting influence except Material Girl and Vogue. JANET is much more touching in her music, and is very beautiful. Her dancing is WAY BETTER than Madonna. Her voice is WAY BETTER than Madonna. Everything that Janet does is WAY BETTER than Madonna!

THE ALL FOR YOU ALBUM DEBUTS WITH OVER 600,000 COPIES IN THE US! HOLY MACROW! THAT TOTALLY BEATS MADONNA WITH MUSIC IN THE US DEBUT! JANET IS HOT AS EVER!!!

WATCH FOR HER TOUR! GO JANET - YOU WILL ALWAYS BE THE QUEEN OF POP! AND BETTER THAN STUPID MADONNA!

Ryan, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Which inklie does this guy write for?

Tim, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I dunno. The Janet Jackson Fetishists Monthly, perhaps :) ?

Robin Carmody, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Madonna! Madonna! Madonna! Unlike Janet, Madonna is an original. Janet copies a lot from other artistes, mostly her brother, Michael the freak! On her 1993 tour, her Velvet Rope tour, in terms of costumes, and performance, Janet copied a lot from Madonna. Madonna released an album full of sexuality in 1992's Erotica. Janet copies with albums like Janet and the latest, All For You. Of course, Janet's two versions are so sickeningly much more tamer that it makes Madonna's Erotica sounds like a sexual album that can never me imitated.

One can always expect something new from all of Madonna's concerts. One can always expect everything similar in all of Janet's concerts.

Just like her brother, Michael, Janet really needs to go back to desert where she was treated for depression, and ask whoever she met there for better ideas to produce an album and making a watchable concert!

Madonna rocks and Madonna is a whole lot better than Janet,...Whitney...Mariah.... Celine.... Shania ..... Faith Hill.... Christina.... Britney .....COMBINED!!!

Jefri, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

JANET......ALL THE WAY FOR LIFE!!!! If any of you had any real taste, ya'll will know Janet is way better than Madonna. Janet doesn't need to copy Madonna. Some of you have suck weak excuses on why Madonna is better than Janet. Madonna just uses her nasty raunchiness to sell records. She has no voice. Janet, on the other hand, is a nice sweet person, who can REALLY sing,dance and act. Madonna can't do that. When Janet comes out with her projects, she doesn't have Madonna in her mind (she don't need to steal the Queen of Slut shit)! It amazes me how some of you are so blinded by dumb things that Madonna do. She has no real music talent. If Madonna didn't act nasty she wouldn't sell as much as she does. Janet had inspired black & white artists in the music industry! Madonna only really inspired whites. Janet has so much love for every race....which is obvious and good. To be honest, Madonna can't wipe Janet's ass! Madonna voice is actually just studio creation! If you listen closely to most of her tracks you would know! I know how studio created voice sound! She hardly sings live! Janet is forever singing live!.....And I'm being real! Janet (Queen of Pop) is known and respected amongst the industry. Madonna only gets the attention just for being sluty. Janet doesn't have to......And it is Janet who has the real talent! You can put Janet on the spot and she can sing right there, because that had happened to her before... Madonna wouldn't be able to do that....Well I'm finish1

Alfonse, Sunday, 22 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Janet's latest album is ESPECIALLY not slutty.

Sterling Clover, Sunday, 22 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Janet doesn't sell sex for music? What crap! She's trying so hard to be sexy. Meanwhile, have you listen to the lyrics to her last two album. Nice and sweet - my ass! Janet is fake. She's so bloody fake, she makes plastic surgery looks natural.

Her music, singing and dancing never change since the 80s. Even Mariah Carey changes her way of singing. Madonna changes to keep up with the time. That's what I call trend-setting.

Janet should be kept traumatised by her childhood experiences. She should never be allowed to record another album unless she can come up with something new. At the age of 33 (she claimed she was only 30 at the MTV Icon - what bullshit! That bitch!), she should just make music that's relevant to her age and not trying to be and outdo Britney.

I think Janet only has Madonna to thank for her so-called sexy images. If it wasn't for Madge paving the way for women sexual power, Janet will never ever be so daring.

Having seen her last concert, she really has nothing much to offer.

Janet,

I hope you retire fast. Cause you're full of crap and you sure have no business being in this business in the first place.

Jefri

jefri, Sunday, 22 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I wont consider Janet as a Queen...since she has never really shaked the world yet...she may dance well(anyway, Paula Abdul teached her how to dance)..she may sound like a innocent gal...but when it comes to business, Madonna is still the best in the music industry. Not even divas like Whitney or Mariah can compare.Madonna is just so original...if not, we can just say that she really knows how to market her products(her dance steps, her dressing, her thinking...) She is already a legend.

Fonz, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

THey're both fantastic. Madonna is more of a pioneer, but both of them are stellar performers. I like Janet's new stuff a lot more than Madonna's on the whole, though (although "What It Feels Like For A Girl" is startlingly good).

I really can't pick one. In fact, it seems counter-productive to me to make that decision.

Dan Perry, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Janet sucks ass, get over it all ya'alls.

Ally, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Does Janet's new(ish) single creep anyone out? It sounds very...off that someone who has been through 2 marriages could sound so moony- eyed and naive about love. It gives me the urge to shake her and tell her to grow up.

Nicole, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Um, isn't that the point of the song, though? A view of love that's all dewey and starry-eyed and romantic? And isn't a testimony to her performance that she can sell it so well despite going through two divorces?

Besides, if you want bitter ranting at an ex you've always got "Son Of A Gun", where Carly Simon shows that James Taylor took her sanity as well as her heart when they broke up. :)

Dan Perry, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Um, isn't that the point of the song, though? A view of love that's all dewey and starry-eyed and romantic?

Yeah, and if it were Mandy Moore or someone it might sound more charming. But with Janet I hear it and think, "Um, maybe thinking this way at your age is what's led you into trouble to begin with?"

I'm not asking for bitter ranting, maybe just a love song that's a little more wise and knowing.

Nicole, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, and if it were Mandy Moore or someone it might sound more charming. But with Janet I hear it and think, "Um, maybe thinking this way at your age is what's led you into trouble to begin with?"

Point taken. Perhaps "Better Days" would suit you better, even though it isn't specifically a love song.

Dan Perry, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The problem is, Janet can't DO songs besides that dewy little girl type of thing because she CANNOT SING WORTH SHIT. Her voice is a high, reedy, thin monotone and she sounds dead silly doing mature love songs and steamy stuff. She's hardly Sade; she's not even Britney Spears level vocal talent. It's not a dis to her, some of her songs are great and I'm not someone tied up in vocals as you both know, but she just cannot sing at all.

Ally, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"Someone To Call My Lover" is GRATE but still not a patch on "Empty" which had a tinge of beautiful bittersweetness but avoided falling into the (still quite enjoyable) MOR schlock of "Again".

Tim, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Not gonna argue about the power of Janet's voice because that would be stupid. Everyone knows she's not the best singer in the world. Still, what she has she uses to maximum effect.

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

It annoys me when people complain about Janet's wispy voice like they've uncovered a big earth-shattering secret. She's so clearly NOT about the voice, and no one is making any great claims for it. No one in the history of the planet has ever suggested that she was an Aretha Franklin-like vocal giant, so why people keep bringing that up is beyond me.

Patrick, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Er, because it's so annoying? Actually I quite like Janet's wispy voice, and I reckon that a lot of the inventiveness of J&L's productions for her come down to finding new ways to beef her up vocally or at least compensate for her. Thus Janet succeeds because of, not in spite of, her poor singing.

Tim, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

To that one broad, at Madonna Land! Madonna ain't shit. I'm going to be honest! She is a slut! She need to retire with her old ass! And you are a lie....Janet never said she was 30 on the MTV Icon award! I taped it, so save ya' lies for something and someone else! Janet has her nose and ONLY her nose done! And she made that clear before. Yet, you people like you, Janet-Basher, is just trying to make that slut Madonna seem like she is the shit. Yeah, she made a mark on music history, but if it wasn't for her sluty behavoir she would be nothing and wouldn't sell nearly ass much!.......Now about Janet voice, if any of ya'll ever watch Vh-1, and they were talking about Janet, it clearly said Janet is known for her dance moves, video, live performances and her soft sweet voice. Janet could sing real well. Who gives a FUCK, if she doesn't sing like Aretha, Whitney, or Mariah. That's doesn't means she's not capable of doing that! In plus Whitney and Mariah are triying to sound more like Janet now, because they are now realizing that, now days people don't want to hear all that stupid yelling and screaming on every song.Janet is the QUEEN OF POP! Janet is also sweet and nice. So what it seem like she is nasty in some songs, she STILL IS A SWEET AND NICE PERSON! You can obviously tell it, too!!! In those songs she express how she feels at the time! Just stop trying to bash Janet! Janet is not going anywhere! Madonna is getting so played out! Janet is sexy and she DOESN'T have that slut Madonna to thank for it! Madonna didn't inspire Janet in any kind of way! To ne honest, Janet has been out YEARS before Madonna, has in the industry! The world knew and grew up with Janet at the age of 7 and on up because her brothers were famous and she used to perform live with them on their shows and sitcoms they had! And then on top of that, she was in three different t.v. shows (Good Times, Different Strokes, & Fame)! Janet made a name for herself in the entertainment business, before people even began to realize Madonna! I must admitt, Janet might take some styles from her brother, Micheal, but very little! BUT, that is her brother, her blood brother, and the one she is more closet to! She doesn't take a lot of his styles, but some time (very few time) she does or it seem like she does. I don't think she does it intensionally. But Janet has never ever copied any other artist especailly Miss.Sluty Madonna!! She is original. She has looked up to her brother, Micheal, in the industry, but she is basically ORIGINAL!!!!!! It is times she uses some sort of style of his. But that is very rare. And Britney Spears voice can't touch Janet's, so to the asshole who said that, is just dumb ass hell!!! Britney can't sing and she when she perform live she never sings, basically! So to even compare Britney with Janet is just an insult to Janet and an insult to yourself~ for just being dumb, closed minded, and ignorant for saying that, and that was dedicated to whoever say that!

THIS POST WASN'T JUST MEANT FOR THE ONE BROAD AT SLUTY MADONNA LAND, BUT TO SOME OTHER PEOPLE, TOO!!!

Alfonse, Saturday, 28 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Janet has always been following Madonna's lead. I can't believe there in any dispute here. Janet is to Madonna as the Monkees are to the Beatles.

bnw, Saturday, 28 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Madonna's greatest TV moments, as compiled by VH-1, were smashing. Truly incredible, delightful, shocking, reverberant. JJ's, also as compiled by VH-1, were astoundingly dull. But JJ is all about the subsumtion of the individual to the dance massive. And as such, I suppose there's a case to be made.

Sterling Clover, Saturday, 28 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Janet Jackson = stage daughter, no different than Alanis Morrisette or any other Jerry Springer fodder. 'Control' rocked, and 'that's all she (actually Jam & Lewis) wrote'

dave q, Saturday, 28 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I can't believe there's a dispute Madonna being all that or not! Because she ain't! If it wasn't for her sluty ways she wouldn't sell nearly as much as she did! Her controversey makes her sell a lot! Not her talent......for the simple fact is that she has no talent besides dancing and being sluty/a ho! Janet has class!! She doesn't have to be a ho, and she still remains sexy! That's why people always mentioned how she is so sexy!. Even VH-1 has stated that Janet has started her own dance revolution, while on the other hand Madonna has started a ho revolution! Madonna has tried to be like Janet so much, if you really want to get down to that! She tried to be R&B/Pop just how Janet is R&B/Pop! Janet beeb R&B and Pop every since she came out! Madonna been just Pop! And in 1993, when Janet released her album "janet." that was all R&B. Here come Madonna in 1995, releasing a Pop album mixed with R&B trying to work with Babyface, on "Bedtime Stories"! Janet has always been R&B, but when "janet." came out she was strictly R&B! And Madonna knew she couldn't be all R&B but she tried hard enough to be! Janet is an icon! MTV recognized that! That's why she was the FIRST to be honered with that title, not Madonna and M.T.V loves Madonna but she sure in the hell wasn't the first to be honered with that title! The knew who should be first and foremost and it was JANET, so that's why she was! I know ya'll notice the artists she has influence were:Black,White,&Hispanic! Who has Madonna influence????, JUST WHITES! Very FEW Blacks! But Janet is respected amongst all!!! Who is the dumb broad that burned a cross in her video??? MADONNA. Who's is the dumb broad trying to have a baby with Dennis Rodman???, MADONNA Who's is the dumb broad that went out on the streets and was totally naked???. MADONNA! Who is the dumb broad that was being called a "ho", "slut", "whore", "tramp" and still to this day is???. MADONNA!! Who is the dunb broad who stated that she knew during the whole week she can do something bad and know on Sunday she'll be forgiven by God (which is not true if you keep repeatly doing it)???, MADONNA! She obviosuly don't know the bible, too well if she thinks that! She is dumb and nasty! Even Britney Spears admitted she looked up to Janet and Madonna dances moves, but it was Janet whole style and singing she really looked up to also! And Janet as inspired rappers such as: Lil'Kim, Foxy Brown, Queen Latifah, and much more! So let's not really get down....BECAUSE JANET IS THE QUEEN! In 1993 she said in the Vibe Magazine what she thought about Madonna and it wasn't too nice, it wasn't nice at all to be honest! Janet has no reason to hate on Madonna! She is successful and has enough money to take care of herself for the rest of her life, not her and her kids (because she doesn't have any)! But let's not talk about Janet, because I will respond!!!!! QUEEN OF POP.....JANET! Rolling Stones, BET, Vibe, and even VH-1 has stated Janet is the Queen of Pop! MTV has said Madonna was, but then again they have also said Janet was!! But Janet been called the title by more people (magazines, television programs) than Madonna has! It' been so many others who have called Janet the Queen of Pop! She and her brother, Micheal are the KING & QUEEN OF POP! It just runs in the family! They are royalty to the music industry! Janet all the way!!

Alfonse, Saturday, 28 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh God, Alfonse,

You must be a fake like Janet is! Don't call me a braud, you son of a fucking whore. Or maybe you're a fag. Janet is a copycat right from the beginning. First her brother, then Madonna. Check out her concerts. It was just plain singing and dancing and then when Madonna came out with Blonde Ambition and The Girlie Show, which had theatrical elements in them, Janet followed suit.

And by the way, Janet did claim she was 30 on MTV Icon! I've dealt with a few cheats in my life, and you are no exception.

Janet lip-synchs most of her songs in concerts. That's why she has no problem dancing. Britney looked up to Janet most probably because she too can't sing live on stage what's with all the dancing.

I've been to latest concert, and comparing it to her previous ones, there's no difference. It's really sad that someone with her experience and "brilliance" of showmanship has to stick to the same old tactics and concepts for her concert.

Madonna's concert was a breathtaking experience. It's really different from her last concerts. If an artiste holds a concert, I'm sure their fans expect to see something different or new each time. Sad to say, Janet has none of that. That goes for her music too!

Madonna's Bedtime Stories does have tinges of R&B, but the music she puts on is not Janet-esque! It's more hip hop. Janet's "janet" album was all about sex. You have to realise that she did this only a year after Madonna's "Erotica". Her Rhythm Nation and Control album talks about the society and her fight for freedom.

It's only after Madonna released Sex and Erotica, that Janet finally found her freedom - which is to be sexy (I supposed! ).

Remember how Janet used to be all covered up from neck to leg. She only started revealing for Love Will Never Do Without You (which is one of my favourite songs from her - the others being That's the Way Love goes and If). "Love will Never Do" was released only after Madonna's Justify My Love (banned for it's sexuality!). So you see where I'm going when I say Janet does copy Madonna!

It's all the same with Janet. Besides, Janet's dancing was made popular not only because of her. It was her choreographers like Paula Abdul and Tina Landon (whom she dissed!)

True, she has great music videos. And on that, Janet and Madonna are indeed on par when it comes to producing quality videos.

Janet must try even harder to let people know she is an original.

Jefri, Saturday, 28 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Jefri, you're the one who is a fag. You starting all that cussing like your ignorant ass is impressing someone! You probably a male-ho just like that tramp Madonna! Madonna ain't shit! Janet is origianl! On my last post I already posted a long enough message, saying why Janet is way better! Don't be mad! You probably just a slut too, like Madonna! Janet could sing WAY better than Madonna can! Madonna voice is studio creation! I know that for a fact, listen to it closely! I go in and work in the stuido sometimes! I know how those kind of voices sound! Your girl (that ho Madonna) can't even really sing! Madonna even admitted she didn't get in the music business because she thought she had a voice (which she don't and is right) she said she got in it to get ATTENTION!!! And now that she has everyone's attention, what does she have to say!~ You gay. That's why you like Madonna and are on her jock so much! Her beats and music sound so recycle! Janet sings live, Madonna hardly sings live! Janet is the Queen! Madonna is old and tired she's dying out saying the same ol shit! When they (the media) says she changes her style that just means her looks! Her songs/beats and shit be the same! When they said Janet changes her style she comes with different looks/moves/new type of songs you wouldn't think she would sing or say! Janet is a natural dancer! Watch the "Pleasure Princple" video, that was all her dancing on her own!!! Now choreographer just help an artist to bring out their talent more and to show better cordination with the atrist and back up dancers! Usually that artist is too busy theirselves to try to teach the back up dancers moves all the time! So that's where choreographer come in at! So don't get it twisted nor wrong! And that ho Madonna got them too (all the time)! So save your bull shit facts for someone and something else! You little friut cake!

Alfonse, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh Alfonse, you homosexual-janet wannabe,

Your taste bud is probably numb. Bad taste. I pity the bitch who let you lick her. Anyway, I still stand my ground that Janet is a copycat. She follows where Madonna leads.

And you, fag, you're following where I lead!

, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Jefri, I pity you and people who claim you as their family member and get yo' shit straight.....How in the FUCK am I folloing your lead??? You made because I proven that Janet is WAY better than Madonna! No need to be mad and start all the ignorant cursing like a stupid ass, which you are! I was just being real and if you can't take it, don't read any of my realness I have to say! Madonna is wack...I take that back, she is PAST WACK! Janet is and will forever be the reigning QUEEN OF POP! Deal with it, gay-boy! And I'm through with that!

Alfonse, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Don't worry about me, Ru-paul. I'm not mad. I love doing this. I love incurring your wrath.

And by the way, Madonna Rocks!

, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh and Alfonse,

You don't have to worry about my family too. We're quite well off. Never had a slave in our history!

, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Wow, I didn't know that Madonna and Janet fans called each other faggots too.

Patrick, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Jefri and Alfonse are the best 2 people who ever lived

gareth, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm just astounded that anyone takes Janet Jackson remotely seriously, let alone buys her records and knows the titles of her songs. Astounded - and touched, I suppose.

the pinefox, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Good god, we'd be insane to let this slip by. RECORD REVIEWS WITH JEFRI & ALFONSE! I see a film deal, seriously. I want credit tho

dave q, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Jefri I pity you and the people that claim you as their family member, You mad because because I done proven you wrong Madonna has no natural talent or talent at that! And you must be the fag saying that bull shit and loving Madonna's bull shit music! Madonna tries to follow Janet's lead! She can't sing/act and she is an OKAY dancer! Janet doesn't need to follow that slut leads! For the simple fact, Madonna does not lead! If she wasn't such a ho she wouldn't sell shit! Janet is the QUEEN! And her music speaks for itself! She has talked about so many good things in her music, such as: taking control, racism, and trying to deal with depression & more things!! She's not like that bitch Madonna who wants to brun crosses and shit and ONLY talk nasty most of the time! So take your faggot ass to somewhere else with that bull shit! Janet run this shit! And tell Madonna just to be an at home mom! She's tired OLD, and played out! Her music sounds like shit on top of shit! It's about the same ol shit! Janet always comes out with a different style and sings songs you wouldn't think she would sing! She is an original, and she keeps people guessing! We all know Madonna a slut and going to keep doing sluty things to sell records! That's no surprise at all! MTV, BET, VH- 1, and any magazines you can think of show Janet love and have respect foe her! MTV (hardly now),VH-1, and some magazines show some love to Madonna! Janet has the respect in the indusrty as a hardworker. Madonna has not worked hard! She act like a ho and, BOOM She sells all these million of records,BULL SHIT! That's not working hard! She's not a good artist! Janet is the QUEEN.......like I said and will continue to say!!!

Alfonse, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

You called me a RuPaul???, I was just laughing at you so badly I never pay any punk fags attention! Just know Janet is the QUEEN! And Madonna ain't!!!

I'm not going to say Janet rocks! It sounds SO SO CORNY! I'm going to say Janet is the best and can't be fucked with!!!! Sorry you haven't realize that! I'm done now!

Alfonse, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Jefri, you said don't worry about your family ya'll are well off and ya'll never had a slave in your family!..........SO WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT SUPPOSE TO MEAN?? I know you are not trying to look down on Black People! Because of that, BLACKS are stronger and better and if it wasn't for BLACKS you or your type of people wouldn't be able to survive in the world!! No one can survive in the world with an invention (that is used on a daily base to survive) made by BLACK people so there! You just mad yourself look stupid! Or past stupid! I never said anything about whites or any race at that on this board! Because I am not racist!!! So let's not get me started on that whole bull shit!!! You turned this shit into a race issue, when it was suppose to be about QUEEN JANET and SLUT MADONNA!!!! You have issues and need help, with your dumb ass!! Get a life you dumb bastard, and sorry ass human being! I'm gone!

Alfonse, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I seen know one had said anything nor try to debate who is better out of Janet and Madonna in a days I guess you guys have learned Janet is WAY better!

Alfonse, Sunday, 5 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

was just talking about the all for you/doesn't really matter era with a friend. we were saying how unique it was, and fun.

I love rainbow cookies (surm), Monday, 27 July 2009 19:00 (fifteen years ago)

"All For You" was the first Janet single to leave me cold. The Change song it samples means so much to me that I expected her to reconceptualize it as anything besides a bouncy passive-aggressive number. I know she's a Jackson, but she's too old for that nonsense.

Heric E. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 July 2009 19:05 (fifteen years ago)

i was surprised to see how many comments there were about janet's mediocre voice. nobody said she was whitney houston, and its not like madonna's singing voice is...well, anything above mediocre. she actually sounds quite bad live imo...tends to force the low notes a lot and goes very sharp on them.

but that aint the fuggin' point...both of em made pop music i aint ever gonna fergits

Elvin Wayburn Phillips, Wednesday, 29 July 2009 00:42 (fifteen years ago)

"All For You" was the first Janet single to leave me cold.

Really? The first? There were quite a few before that one that did nothing for me (and, admittedly, a lot more after that did likewise).

sir-mounter (Eric H.), Wednesday, 29 July 2009 00:46 (fifteen years ago)

I mean, she DID turn 10 of the songs on janet. into singles.

sir-mounter (Eric H.), Wednesday, 29 July 2009 00:48 (fifteen years ago)

i remember all for you being catchy but agreed, she had some ballads that were fuggin terrible that were released

Elvin Wayburn Phillips, Wednesday, 29 July 2009 00:50 (fifteen years ago)

yo janet now i'm about to kick this, ya want this, but do you really think that you can get this, at first ya dissed this, now you wanna kiss this? tell em girls (TOO LATE YOU MISSED THIS), cuz we need a guy that's hip quick and clever, ready at the drop of a dime to do whatever, who's not tryin to front or fake or save face, cuz i'm with that day anytime anyplace....TELL em J

Elvin Wayburn Phillips, Friday, 31 July 2009 23:53 (fifteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOFxvPIygj0&feature=player_embedded

lex pretend, Saturday, 1 August 2009 13:16 (fifteen years ago)

that's just such an incredible performance.

what about the times you said you didn't fuck her, she only gave you head

lex pretend, Saturday, 1 August 2009 13:17 (fifteen years ago)

I think this all boils down to: which was the first to use a chair in a dance routine?

"Open Your Heart" video was 1986. "Rhythm Nation" was 1989. (Sting's "We'll Be Together" video was somewhere in the middle.)

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 1 August 2009 15:17 (fifteen years ago)

"The Pleasure Principle" was 1987, and used chairs.

Heric E. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 1 August 2009 15:25 (fifteen years ago)

anybody else find it funny during 'you want this' when janet starts riffing and going 'a little bit softer' a la the isley brothers...its not like she had exactly been belting prior to that moment...i think if she sang any softer the song would be an instrumental by then.

Elvin Wayburn Phillips, Sunday, 2 August 2009 15:03 (fifteen years ago)

one year passes...

spent a car ride down to the Jersey Shore and back bumping Janet's "Number 1s" compilation; it is pretty much immaculate

anarcho-misogynist puppies (DJP), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 19:51 (thirteen years ago)

"Someone To Call My Lover" and "Feedback" hit harder when listened to as part of a career arc IMO

anarcho-misogynist puppies (DJP), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 19:54 (thirteen years ago)

four years pass...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03vb9zx

50th birthday mix ^

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 16 May 2016 15:21 (nine years ago)

five years pass...

Bump.

i carry the torch for disco inauthenticity (Eric H.), Tuesday, 31 August 2021 14:40 (three years ago)

Taking sides: Jefri or Alfonse?

peace, man, Tuesday, 31 August 2021 15:24 (three years ago)

Shawn Mendes or Eric Clapton?

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 31 August 2021 15:35 (three years ago)

my god that first string of posts is just abysmal does the thread get any better

handful of songs and “importance” aside madonna is pretty mediocre so this should have been a walk

Left, Tuesday, 31 August 2021 16:39 (three years ago)

This thread doesn't just get better, it gets best.

i carry the torch for disco inauthenticity (Eric H.), Tuesday, 31 August 2021 17:15 (three years ago)

handful of songs and “importance” aside madonna is pretty mediocre so this should have been a walk

― Left, Tuesday, August 31, 2021 11:39 AM (seven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

No she’s not lol

“Right on” opinion though

xheugy eddy (D-40), Wednesday, 1 September 2021 00:06 (three years ago)

lol at all the deranged stanning at the beginning of the thread

dyl, Wednesday, 1 September 2021 00:55 (three years ago)

I feel like if I spent more time with Janet's material, she'd leapfrog Madonna easily, but the latter earns the benefit of exposure since I heard her literally all the time on the radio in my parent's Nova.

but when I hear prime-era Janet, I get excited in a way I don't with Madonna.

so...I don't fuckin' know, get off my back!

Duke Detain (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 September 2021 01:36 (three years ago)

(I have a decent number of Janet albums but I got into her very late and haven't played them in a long time)

Duke Detain (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 September 2021 01:37 (three years ago)

Yeah, I'd go with Madonna too. I can't disagree with the arguments against her, but she's managed to record so many indelible singles under her name. Her artistic vision may be debatable, but she's incredible at marketing herself and recognizing talent - all of that becomes enormously beneficial when it comes to capitalizing on her fame and the money she can command.

birdistheword, Wednesday, 1 September 2021 02:51 (three years ago)

janet is def better to me im just annoyed at twitter (and Left) trying to say madonna isnt shit ... clearly wrong. multi decade career of heat

xheugy eddy (D-40), Wednesday, 1 September 2021 03:32 (three years ago)

i'm annoyed by how she was elevated over her equal or superior peers for so long, to such a ludicrous degree. when I was growing up her 80s stuff was the only pop music the real-music-like-radiohead types around me would ever deign to acknowledge as "actually pretty good" and the janet-bashing upthread brought me back to that awful time. also her voice is fine at best, and her worst music is among *the* worst music

Left, Wednesday, 1 September 2021 13:16 (three years ago)

four words: killers who are partying

Left, Wednesday, 1 September 2021 13:16 (three years ago)

Madonna never had a sustained peak like Control > Rhythm Nation > janet. > Velvet Rope > All For You

i carry the torch for disco inauthenticity (Eric H.), Wednesday, 1 September 2021 13:23 (three years ago)

a lot of the worst madonna stuff is bad in an endearing trainwreck way where it's "what the hell was she thinking"

ufo, Wednesday, 1 September 2021 13:23 (three years ago)

madonna has a lot of good albums but few masterpieces in the way that janet does

ufo, Wednesday, 1 September 2021 13:24 (three years ago)

a lot of the worst madonna stuff is bad in an endearing trainwreck way where it's "what the hell was she thinking"

― ufo, Wednesday, September 1, 2021

i.e. like many great artists. Mediocre ones lack the ambitions for train wrecks.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 September 2021 13:25 (three years ago)

It doesn't matter to me that Madonna has uneven albums. Most artists have uneven albums. Most artists hustle. She wrote great hooks and terrific vocal melodies. And Janet Jackson's singular vision of independence needed Madonna to open that door.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 September 2021 13:27 (three years ago)

if mediocre artists can't make trainwrecks explain this
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fd/The_elder_album_cover.jpg

Left, Wednesday, 1 September 2021 13:33 (three years ago)

KISS weren't mediocre -- KISS are fucking terrible.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 September 2021 13:35 (three years ago)

touche

Left, Wednesday, 1 September 2021 13:36 (three years ago)

Terrible artists made yet another terrible album.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 September 2021 13:36 (three years ago)

madame x is pretty high up there as far as endearingly batshit late career albums go imo, both in terms of enjoyment & bafflement

ufo, Wednesday, 1 September 2021 13:39 (three years ago)

exactly

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 September 2021 13:46 (three years ago)

i remember being highly entertained by dark ballet but i'm not sure i ever made it past the aforementioned track which is an abomination on every level

Left, Wednesday, 1 September 2021 13:49 (three years ago)

I agree the album has appalling crap, but it's her own.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 September 2021 13:50 (three years ago)

Janet's worst is just boring, I'll grant.

i carry the torch for disco inauthenticity (Eric H.), Wednesday, 1 September 2021 13:52 (three years ago)

it's a point in her favour that she's never offered to "be africa if africa is shut down"

Left, Wednesday, 1 September 2021 13:58 (three years ago)

I love Madonna and Jackson's sex albums released months apart. Erotica positions itself as a club album: slightly impersonal if not chilly at first because they're more important things to concentrate in clubs besides romance, until she remembers AIDS is killing her friends thanks in part to a outdated sense of abandon she can't help eulogizing. In the end Erotica becomes her warmest, most devastating album.

Meanwhile janet shows little interest in club politics. A bedroom album. The club politics would come up on the next album but reconfigured for intimate moments.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 September 2021 13:59 (three years ago)

Erotica vs. Velvet Rope is a death match (in some regards, literally) to end all death matches.

i carry the torch for disco inauthenticity (Eric H.), Wednesday, 1 September 2021 14:02 (three years ago)

sounds like a great night

Left, Wednesday, 1 September 2021 14:05 (three years ago)

good morning!

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 September 2021 14:06 (three years ago)

Jesus, that Mitchell interview.

i carry the torch for disco inauthenticity (Eric H.), Wednesday, 1 September 2021 14:30 (three years ago)

“There was a time in the early ’80s when if you were gay you had to decide whether you were a Cyndi Lauper or a Madonna person, and there was no question for me,” he said.

was this really the most pressing question at the Danceteria

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 September 2021 14:34 (three years ago)

Glad I live in an era where I can be a Janet Jackson gay AND a Madonna gay. Whew, et al!

i carry the torch for disco inauthenticity (Eric H.), Wednesday, 1 September 2021 14:37 (three years ago)


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