Taking sides: Madonna or Janet Jackson?

Then the nineties happened -- and frankly, at this point, Janet all the way. But if it really came down it, I'd rate both equally high.

Now, if we were talking Cyndi Lauper vs. LaToya...

"Got Til It's Gone" is one of those records I just cannot get into, actually.

Janet Jackson is a plague on this earth.

Madonna, on the other hand, is pretty much a culture defining event, or was back in the day. Janet has no claim to that.

THE ALL FOR YOU ALBUM DEBUTS WITH OVER 600,000 COPIES IN THE US! HOLY MACROW! THAT TOTALLY BEATS MADONNA WITH MUSIC IN THE US DEBUT! JANET IS HOT AS EVER!!!

WATCH FOR HER TOUR! GO JANET - YOU WILL ALWAYS BE THE QUEEN OF POP! AND BETTER THAN STUPID MADONNA!

One can always expect something new from all of Madonna's concerts. One can always expect everything similar in all of Janet's concerts.

Just like her brother, Michael, Janet really needs to go back to desert where she was treated for depression, and ask whoever she met there for better ideas to produce an album and making a watchable concert!

Madonna rocks and Madonna is a whole lot better than Janet,...Whitney...Mariah.... Celine.... Shania ..... Faith Hill.... Christina.... Britney .....COMBINED!!!

Her music, singing and dancing never change since the 80s. Even Mariah Carey changes her way of singing. Madonna changes to keep up with the time. That's what I call trend-setting.

Janet should be kept traumatised by her childhood experiences. She should never be allowed to record another album unless she can come up with something new. At the age of 33 (she claimed she was only 30 at the MTV Icon - what bullshit! That bitch!), she should just make music that's relevant to her age and not trying to be and outdo Britney.

I think Janet only has Madonna to thank for her so-called sexy images. If it wasn't for Madge paving the way for women sexual power, Janet will never ever be so daring.

Having seen her last concert, she really has nothing much to offer.

Janet,

I hope you retire fast. Cause you're full of crap and you sure have no business being in this business in the first place.

Jefri

I really can't pick one. In fact, it seems counter-productive to me to make that decision.

Besides, if you want bitter ranting at an ex you've always got "Son Of A Gun", where Carly Simon shows that James Taylor took her sanity as well as her heart when they broke up. :)

Yeah, and if it were Mandy Moore or someone it might sound more charming. But with Janet I hear it and think, "Um, maybe thinking this way at your age is what's led you into trouble to begin with?"

I'm not asking for bitter ranting, maybe just a love song that's a little more wise and knowing.

Point taken. Perhaps "Better Days" would suit you better, even though it isn't specifically a love song.

THIS POST WASN'T JUST MEANT FOR THE ONE BROAD AT SLUTY MADONNA LAND, BUT TO SOME OTHER PEOPLE, TOO!!!

You must be a fake like Janet is! Don't call me a braud, you son of a fucking whore. Or maybe you're a fag. Janet is a copycat right from the beginning. First her brother, then Madonna. Check out her concerts. It was just plain singing and dancing and then when Madonna came out with Blonde Ambition and The Girlie Show, which had theatrical elements in them, Janet followed suit.

And by the way, Janet did claim she was 30 on MTV Icon! I've dealt with a few cheats in my life, and you are no exception.

Janet lip-synchs most of her songs in concerts. That's why she has no problem dancing. Britney looked up to Janet most probably because she too can't sing live on stage what's with all the dancing.

I've been to latest concert, and comparing it to her previous ones, there's no difference. It's really sad that someone with her experience and "brilliance" of showmanship has to stick to the same old tactics and concepts for her concert.

Madonna's concert was a breathtaking experience. It's really different from her last concerts. If an artiste holds a concert, I'm sure their fans expect to see something different or new each time. Sad to say, Janet has none of that. That goes for her music too!

Madonna's Bedtime Stories does have tinges of R&B, but the music she puts on is not Janet-esque! It's more hip hop. Janet's "janet" album was all about sex. You have to realise that she did this only a year after Madonna's "Erotica". Her Rhythm Nation and Control album talks about the society and her fight for freedom.

It's only after Madonna released Sex and Erotica, that Janet finally found her freedom - which is to be sexy (I supposed! ).

Remember how Janet used to be all covered up from neck to leg. She only started revealing for Love Will Never Do Without You (which is one of my favourite songs from her - the others being That's the Way Love goes and If). "Love will Never Do" was released only after Madonna's Justify My Love (banned for it's sexuality!). So you see where I'm going when I say Janet does copy Madonna!

It's all the same with Janet. Besides, Janet's dancing was made popular not only because of her. It was her choreographers like Paula Abdul and Tina Landon (whom she dissed!)

True, she has great music videos. And on that, Janet and Madonna are indeed on par when it comes to producing quality videos.

Janet must try even harder to let people know she is an original.

Your taste bud is probably numb. Bad taste. I pity the bitch who let you lick her. Anyway, I still stand my ground that Janet is a copycat. She follows where Madonna leads.

And you, fag, you're following where I lead!

And by the way, Madonna Rocks!

You don't have to worry about my family too. We're quite well off. Never had a slave in our history!

I'm not going to say Janet rocks! It sounds SO SO CORNY! I'm going to say Janet is the best and can't be fucked with!!!! Sorry you haven't realize that! I'm done now!

was just talking about the all for you/doesn't really matter era with a friend. we were saying how unique it was, and fun.

"All For You" was the first Janet single to leave me cold. The Change song it samples means so much to me that I expected her to reconceptualize it as anything besides a bouncy passive-aggressive number. I know she's a Jackson, but she's too old for that nonsense.

i was surprised to see how many comments there were about janet's mediocre voice. nobody said she was whitney houston, and its not like madonna's singing voice is...well, anything above mediocre. she actually sounds quite bad live imo...tends to force the low notes a lot and goes very sharp on them.

but that aint the fuggin' point...both of em made pop music i aint ever gonna fergits

"All For You" was the first Janet single to leave me cold.

Really? The first? There were quite a few before that one that did nothing for me (and, admittedly, a lot more after that did likewise).

I mean, she DID turn 10 of the songs on janet. into singles.

i remember all for you being catchy but agreed, she had some ballads that were fuggin terrible that were released

yo janet now i'm about to kick this, ya want this, but do you really think that you can get this, at first ya dissed this, now you wanna kiss this? tell em girls (TOO LATE YOU MISSED THIS), cuz we need a guy that's hip quick and clever, ready at the drop of a dime to do whatever, who's not tryin to front or fake or save face, cuz i'm with that day anytime anyplace....TELL em J

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOFxvPIygj0&feature=player_embedded

that's just such an incredible performance.

what about the times you said you didn't fuck her, she only gave you head

I think this all boils down to: which was the first to use a chair in a dance routine?

"Open Your Heart" video was 1986. "Rhythm Nation" was 1989. (Sting's "We'll Be Together" video was somewhere in the middle.)

"The Pleasure Principle" was 1987, and used chairs.

anybody else find it funny during 'you want this' when janet starts riffing and going 'a little bit softer' a la the isley brothers...its not like she had exactly been belting prior to that moment...i think if she sang any softer the song would be an instrumental by then.

spent a car ride down to the Jersey Shore and back bumping Janet's "Number 1s" compilation; it is pretty much immaculate

"Someone To Call My Lover" and "Feedback" hit harder when listened to as part of a career arc IMO

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03vb9zx

50th birthday mix ^

Bump.

Taking sides: Jefri or Alfonse?

Shawn Mendes or Eric Clapton?

my god that first string of posts is just abysmal does the thread get any better

handful of songs and “importance” aside madonna is pretty mediocre so this should have been a walk

This thread doesn't just get better, it gets best.

handful of songs and “importance” aside madonna is pretty mediocre so this should have been a walk

― Left, Tuesday, August 31, 2021 11:39 AM (seven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

No she’s not lol

“Right on” opinion though

lol at all the deranged stanning at the beginning of the thread

I feel like if I spent more time with Janet's material, she'd leapfrog Madonna easily, but the latter earns the benefit of exposure since I heard her literally all the time on the radio in my parent's Nova.

but when I hear prime-era Janet, I get excited in a way I don't with Madonna.

so...I don't fuckin' know, get off my back!

(I have a decent number of Janet albums but I got into her very late and haven't played them in a long time)

Yeah, I'd go with Madonna too. I can't disagree with the arguments against her, but she's managed to record so many indelible singles under her name. Her artistic vision may be debatable, but she's incredible at marketing herself and recognizing talent - all of that becomes enormously beneficial when it comes to capitalizing on her fame and the money she can command.

janet is def better to me im just annoyed at twitter (and Left) trying to say madonna isnt shit ... clearly wrong. multi decade career of heat

i'm annoyed by how she was elevated over her equal or superior peers for so long, to such a ludicrous degree. when I was growing up her 80s stuff was the only pop music the real-music-like-radiohead types around me would ever deign to acknowledge as "actually pretty good" and the janet-bashing upthread brought me back to that awful time. also her voice is fine at best, and her worst music is among *the* worst music

four words: killers who are partying

Madonna never had a sustained peak like Control > Rhythm Nation > janet. > Velvet Rope > All For You

a lot of the worst madonna stuff is bad in an endearing trainwreck way where it's "what the hell was she thinking"

madonna has a lot of good albums but few masterpieces in the way that janet does

a lot of the worst madonna stuff is bad in an endearing trainwreck way where it's "what the hell was she thinking"

― ufo, Wednesday, September 1, 2021

i.e. like many great artists. Mediocre ones lack the ambitions for train wrecks.

It doesn't matter to me that Madonna has uneven albums. Most artists have uneven albums. Most artists hustle. She wrote great hooks and terrific vocal melodies. And Janet Jackson's singular vision of independence needed Madonna to open that door.

if mediocre artists can't make trainwrecks explain this
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fd/The_elder_album_cover.jpg

KISS weren't mediocre -- KISS are fucking terrible.

touche

Terrible artists made yet another terrible album.

madame x is pretty high up there as far as endearingly batshit late career albums go imo, both in terms of enjoyment & bafflement

exactly

i remember being highly entertained by dark ballet but i'm not sure i ever made it past the aforementioned track which is an abomination on every level

I agree the album has appalling crap, but it's her own.

Janet's worst is just boring, I'll grant.

it's a point in her favour that she's never offered to "be africa if africa is shut down"

I love Madonna and Jackson's sex albums released months apart. Erotica positions itself as a club album: slightly impersonal if not chilly at first because they're more important things to concentrate in clubs besides romance, until she remembers AIDS is killing her friends thanks in part to a outdated sense of abandon she can't help eulogizing. In the end Erotica becomes her warmest, most devastating album.

Meanwhile janet shows little interest in club politics. A bedroom album. The club politics would come up on the next album but reconfigured for intimate moments.

Erotica vs. Velvet Rope is a death match (in some regards, literally) to end all death matches.

sounds like a great night

good morning!

Jesus, that Mitchell interview.

“There was a time in the early ’80s when if you were gay you had to decide whether you were a Cyndi Lauper or a Madonna person, and there was no question for me,” he said.

was this really the most pressing question at the Danceteria

Glad I live in an era where I can be a Janet Jackson gay AND a Madonna gay. Whew, et al!