What are the best "indie" labels and records of the '50s and '60s?

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Ignoring the bigger indies that achieved mainstream success or sold themselves to majors in the '60s or '70s (Motown, Stax, Sun, Philles, Elektra, Virgin, Verve, Atlantic, Studio One etc.), what are some of the best independent labels or independently released records of the '50s and '60s?

I'm thinking of artist run labels like Takoma, El Saturn, Gate 5, or Saravah, regional labels that didn't find much mainstream success like International Artists, or the hundreds of tiny labels whose 45s appear on compilations, weird stuff like ESP-Disk, and one-off private pressing stuff as well. Which are your favorites, and which records released by these labels or directly by artists are your favorites?

Basically I'm interested in that period when records started to become a big business, but the DIY boom of the '70s hadn't yet started.

wk, Friday, 29 March 2013 18:54 (thirteen years ago)

Joe Meek's Triumph records. what are some others from the uk?

wk, Friday, 29 March 2013 19:00 (thirteen years ago)

Candid
Debut

(not from the UK, just answering original question)

Darth Magus (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 29 March 2013 19:11 (thirteen years ago)

Vee-Jay

Darth Magus (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 29 March 2013 19:11 (thirteen years ago)

good call on candid & debut

wk, Friday, 29 March 2013 19:19 (thirteen years ago)

top 5 non-fahey takoma:
- homegas s/t
- floating house band
- robbie basho - seal of the blue lotus
- mike auldridge - blues & bluegrass
- phil yost - bent city

top 8 ESP discs:
- pearls before swine - balaklava
- godz 2
- alan silva - skillfullness
- frank wright - your prayer
- paul bley trio - closer
- sonny simmons - staying on the watch
- har-you percussion group
- fugs first album

there are good country 45s on K-ARK, favorites:
- larry heberlin 'deeper than the summer sun'
- eddie noack 'dolores'

yazzo records, pioneers of blues reissues:
- v/a mississippi moaners
- robert wilkins - the original rolling stone'
- v/a east coast blues
- v/a guitar wizards
- mississippi john hurt - 1928
- henry thomas double LP

county records, pioneers of pre-war country reissues:
- v/a a fiddler's convention in mtn city tennessee (include two absolutely essential clarence ashley tracks among other goodies)
- the roane county ramblers 'complete recordings' (incredible hard-driving string band)
- v/a hell broke loose in georgia (great selection of north-georgia fiddle records)
- two volumes of mississippi string bands

adelphi was started in 1969, but the best material they released came later on, in my opinion.

i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Friday, 29 March 2013 19:36 (thirteen years ago)

i buy almost any 45s on labels like specialty, sun, chess...

i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Friday, 29 March 2013 19:36 (thirteen years ago)

that should read 'yazoo' not 'yazzo' eek.

i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Friday, 29 March 2013 19:37 (thirteen years ago)

oops i didn't see the disclaimer about labels that were then bought up by majors -- sorry!

i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Friday, 29 March 2013 19:38 (thirteen years ago)

nah, you get the spirit. I'm not going to be mr thread police, just trying to make it less "what's the best stax record" and more "what's the best wannabe stax also-ran record on some tiny obscure label".

wk, Friday, 29 March 2013 19:40 (thirteen years ago)

do Folkways count? or Folk Legacy?

Classic folkways titles for me --
- Sounds of the Junkyard
- reelizations one and two by barton smith
- frogs of north america
- the world music theater of jon appleton
- the anthology of american folk music, volumes 1-3
- huge swathes of the ethnic folkways library -- dances of greece, psalms sung in the cameroons, the indonesia box, the three volumes of swahili music, tribal music of australia..
- elizabeth cotten
- dock boggs
- clarence ashley
and on and on

i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Friday, 29 March 2013 19:41 (thirteen years ago)

wow, I thought yazoo was an actual '20s blues label. didn't realize it was a later reissue label. interesting.

folkways obv a biggie too
xp

wk, Friday, 29 March 2013 19:42 (thirteen years ago)

arhoolie, folklyric and the other labels in that family have a deep and worthwhile discography imo. the folklyric label did a great service by reissuing tons of ethnic music from 78rpm records to LPs. many many volumes of tex-mex music, cajun music, hawaiian music; they were in the game early on reissuing eastern european fiddle records as well.

i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Friday, 29 March 2013 19:43 (thirteen years ago)

Harry Smith anthology possibly the most influential independently released record of the era?

wk, Friday, 29 March 2013 19:43 (thirteen years ago)

well, nm that's dumb

wk, Friday, 29 March 2013 19:44 (thirteen years ago)

only makes sense in my bizarro world where you ignore Sun, etc

wk, Friday, 29 March 2013 19:44 (thirteen years ago)

oops, folklyric did not start until the seventies. but their parent company, arhoolie was founded in 1969.

i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Friday, 29 March 2013 19:44 (thirteen years ago)

wait, way earlier than 69. i hate it when discographies list things out of chronological order.

i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Friday, 29 March 2013 19:45 (thirteen years ago)

I can't find any info on when Harry Bertoia released his first Sonambient record. might have been '70s

wk, Friday, 29 March 2013 19:47 (thirteen years ago)

yeah, wiki says arhoolie started in 1960. didn't realize they were that old.

wk, Friday, 29 March 2013 19:48 (thirteen years ago)

Original Sound is interesting (Music Machine, Bongo Rock).

wk, Friday, 29 March 2013 19:52 (thirteen years ago)

Milford Graves and Don Pullen self-released their duo records Live At Yale University and Nommo in the late 60s. The former (with a hand-painted cover) goes for thousands of dollars now. Neither has ever been reissued on CD (for that matter, neither were Graves' 70s self-releases).

Darth Magus (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 29 March 2013 19:55 (thirteen years ago)

cool, never heard of those. the cover art is great. http://www.donpullen.de/disco/jpg/nommo.jpg

wk, Friday, 29 March 2013 20:12 (thirteen years ago)

can't forget Delmark!

wk, Friday, 29 March 2013 20:13 (thirteen years ago)

One of the hand-painted editions:

http://www.donpullen.de/disco/jpg/yale4.jpg

(xp)

Darth Magus (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 29 March 2013 20:17 (thirteen years ago)

oh you mean each cover was individually painted? nice!

some more cool covers

http://www.corporeal.com/images/issue_4.jpg http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/53942179/Blind+Joe+Death.jpg

wk, Friday, 29 March 2013 20:18 (thirteen years ago)

BYG Actuel just squeaks into the time period

wk, Friday, 29 March 2013 20:23 (thirteen years ago)

Some great Debut sleeves:
http://www.birkajazz.com/graphics2/mingusDebutEP.jpghttp://www.birkajazz.com/graphics2/mingusStringsKeys.jpg

Darth Magus (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 29 March 2013 20:25 (thirteen years ago)

BYG Actuel just squeaks into the time period

True...for some reason, I thought BYG was a French major. I think it's because they reissued a few things (like some of the Savoy avant-garde records).

Darth Magus (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 29 March 2013 20:28 (thirteen years ago)

Original Sound is interesting (Music Machine, Bongo Rock).

They also did the Oldies But Goodies series, of course, and had a good soul group called Dyke and the Blazers. Would also mention Double Shot, who had Brenton Wood and the Count Five.

timellison, Friday, 29 March 2013 20:32 (thirteen years ago)

True...for some reason, I thought BYG was a French major.

yeah, they do have that vibe. maybe because the graphic design seems kind of high-end?

wk, Friday, 29 March 2013 20:33 (thirteen years ago)

King/Starday/Federal for 'billy and r 'n' b

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4b/KingHillbillyLogo.jpg

bendy, Friday, 29 March 2013 20:36 (thirteen years ago)

wow, I didn't know one of the BYG guys went on to start Celluloid

wk, Friday, 29 March 2013 20:45 (thirteen years ago)

Savoy for Johnny Otis

four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 29 March 2013 20:45 (thirteen years ago)

A UK label is the longest running indie of them all I believe: Topic Records. Started off with union sponsorship in the 30s releasing workers songs and things like that. Boom period was probably the mid-60s through to the 70s with stuff like Martin Carthy, Shirley Collins, June Tabor, Dick Gaughan, Nic Jones, Anne Briggs, The Watersons etc.

acid in the style of tenpole tudor (NickB), Friday, 29 March 2013 20:52 (thirteen years ago)

Still going today btw

acid in the style of tenpole tudor (NickB), Friday, 29 March 2013 20:53 (thirteen years ago)

ha, I just saw this list on that VU thread http://www.spin.com/articles/best-100-albums-1960s-sixties-alternative-list

it's surprisingly good for spin

wk, Saturday, 30 March 2013 02:06 (thirteen years ago)

for garage etc there's orlyn and ikon

gila free (electricsound), Saturday, 30 March 2013 02:09 (thirteen years ago)

Would Fania and Tico count as mainstream success stories?

JonathanBogart, Saturday, 30 March 2013 04:14 (thirteen years ago)

no, good call

wk, Saturday, 30 March 2013 04:29 (thirteen years ago)

I don't know orlyn & ikon. That ikon comp looks interesting, but I can't find much info on orlyn. Any recommendations?

wk, Saturday, 30 March 2013 04:32 (thirteen years ago)

Then add Alegre and Panart to the list too.

JonathanBogart, Saturday, 30 March 2013 04:48 (thirteen years ago)

i don't think there is an orlyn comp but there is a bunch of the best tracks compiled on various 60s garage comps.. the best ones i'm aware of are outspoken blues, graf zepplin, half pint & the fifths, noblemen, bondsmen, last knight, monteras

gila free (electricsound), Saturday, 30 March 2013 04:50 (thirteen years ago)

Vertigo from the UK? just about sneaks in at the end of the 60s

quite strangly im attracted to the lass (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 30 March 2013 17:10 (thirteen years ago)

and Charisma too

quite strangly im attracted to the lass (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 30 March 2013 17:15 (thirteen years ago)

was going to mention topic, so... in the same general area: trailer/leader and transatlantic.

no lime tangier, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 15:48 (thirteen years ago)

http://www.soul-source.co.uk/soulforum/uploads/monthly_07_2011/post-5677-0-79670700-1310503075_thumb.jpg

i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 16:04 (thirteen years ago)

http://www.dcsoulrecordings.com/

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 16:06 (thirteen years ago)


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