Who First Used The Term "Classical Music" And When?

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I mean surely Bach didn't go around billing himself as one of the world's greatest "classical compusers" because he was one of the world's greatest contemporary composers, right?

So how did we now get this term? I've got about five guesses, none with any substance.

Help me, people.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 4 October 2002 17:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Here's my guess... The Renaissance was a renaissance of Greek and Roman ideals and aesthetics. The term "classic" or "classicism" was used in reference to what was believed to be a heightened and traditional artistic age. At some point, and without the OED I couldn't say exactly when/where, it began to be used to describe music from the 18th and 19th C in much the same way. While something contemporary can't be referred to as "traditional" in this sense, that's most likely where the term came from, and it was probably first applied in the 20th C.

aaron, Friday, 4 October 2002 17:31 (twenty-three years ago)

According to this page, the term became popular after Beethoven's death.

dleone (dleone), Friday, 4 October 2002 17:39 (twenty-three years ago)

classical period = mid-18th c. -1820. i imagine the term was first used by some v.old person in the romantic era moaning about how much better everything was back in the day (pater or ruskin or whoever wilde's mentor was maybe?). how this term came to widely apply to virtually ALL "composed" western music made between the middle ages and last week is another question. likely down to RCA or something, i don't know - but Bach for instance is technically a baroque composer not a classical one.

the actual mr. jones (actual), Friday, 4 October 2002 17:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Here's another article that mentions the history of the term "classical". The relevant passage:

Usage of term "classical" is itself problematic. In its most objective form, the word might be used when discussing the most eminent artists and authors of Greco-Roman antiquity, whose works exhibited a highly developed sensitivity to balance and clarity. The term itself did not come into use with regard to Western European culture until the late eighteenth century; at that time it was applied as a standard of value. For example, the Schlegel brothers proposed usage of the word to refer to a "paradise lost," a time and stylistic period characterized by logic, simplicity, unity of content and form. Whatever the case, the phrase "Classic Era" as applied by musicologists denotes not so much a single school or nationality, but rather a convergence of similar trends which occurred throughout Western Europe.

o. nate (onate), Friday, 4 October 2002 18:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The REAL point being that it's not just rockists (looking back at, oh, the Stooges, VU, Beatles, etc. etc.) who long for the golden era of music. It's a Western disease to always long for the perfection attained in the past (thanks original sin). errr....

Aaron, Friday, 4 October 2002 18:11 (twenty-three years ago)

I thought it was because Haydn, Mozart and their contemporaries were the first composers to be widely "recycled". Until their time, most musical pieces were written for a particular occasion, performed once, then forgotten. With the transition from private (or church or court) patronage of composers to freelance status and public concerts, they might premier one or two new pieces at a concert, then fill the rest of the program with past successes - oldies but goodies, which became their "classics", then collectively constituted "The Repertoire" for Europe's rising municipal orchestras. So, just like Classic Rock, but with cooler wigs.

Curt (cgould), Friday, 4 October 2002 18:55 (twenty-three years ago)

ruskin liked the up-to-date moderns (wordsworth/turner) and somewhat disliked the previous not-so-called "classical" era (very nasty abt alexander pope): his taste in music ran to gospel (the jubilee singers, a passionate black american choir who toured europe in the 1850s or 60s)

mark s (mark s), Friday, 4 October 2002 21:24 (twenty-three years ago)

(foiled! NB i have never read ruskin. or pater. and i steal all my guesses from "how to look like a complete charlatan")

the actual mr. jones (actual), Saturday, 5 October 2002 00:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Aaron, it's not a uniquely Western disease to look back on a golden age. You can find the same thing in Eastern thought. In Hinduism, the world is going through progressively worse eras. (Granted, it's a cycle which repeats eternally, so when things become intolerable and everything is destroyed, it will all start over again.)

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 5 October 2002 00:27 (twenty-three years ago)

I thought it was because Haydn, Mozart and their contemporaries were the first composers to be widely "recycled".

I don't think so! Having played the flute for many years I can assure you that much older stuff is still being widely "recycled" - by flautists anyway.

Here's a good (but long) reflection on "Classical Music" that I found at http://www.gprep.pvt.k12.md.us/~music/musikbok/chap13.html

To a modern listener, "Classical music" describes what most people think of as "serious, high-brow" music. To composers and the audiences of the era, nothing could be further from the truth.

Part of this problem comes from the approach many modern performers take when performing music of previous eras. We tend to play them as sterile museum pieces, utterances of gods to be feared and worshipped. Written accounts of these composers and their contemporaries show that the music was treated like a living, breathing entity--with often a healthy amount of improvisation expected to take place. Many modern listeners have been conditioned to look on contemporary jazz/rock musicians as wild and undisciplined performers and past masters as crystalline music-making machines when in reality, they were a great deal alike in their practices.

Let us also not forget when we listen to symphonies, concerti, and string quartets, why they were composed--for entertainment. They were composed by musicians who generally got paid for what they did, many who composed for specific occasions. This was the popular and contemporary music of the time--and like musicians today, composers in past eras often wrote for the markets available--be it for monarchy, the church, the masses, etc. While many of these masters knew they were composing the best music of the time, a lot of them would probably be stunned to find that 200 years later their music is still highly revered by many over the music of our own contemporaries. To the ears of an eighteenth century listener, his music sounded new and emotionally liberated from the older Baroque style. It had an enlightened expression, clearly a medium for the thoughts of the new era. Classical composers found the polyphony of the previous era muddy, and the element of a prominent melody became very important in the era's musical style.

toraneko (toraneko), Saturday, 5 October 2002 09:29 (twenty-three years ago)

toraneko you must post more on ilm!!

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 5 October 2002 09:35 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't think so! Having played the flute for many years I can assure you that much older stuff is still being widely "recycled" - by flautists anyway.

But, Toraneko, my only point was that all this recycling - including the older stuff - began in Mozart's time. Even Bach was forgotten by all but a few connoisseurs for nearly a century, until Mendelssohn sparked a renewed interest.

Curt (cgould), Saturday, 5 October 2002 13:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Classical Music: Classic or ...?

Andrew (enneff), Saturday, 5 October 2002 13:18 (twenty-three years ago)

toraneko- there was a program on mozart last week here in the UK that described the changes from baroque to Sonata form very well (which is yr last paragraph). a good beginner's guide (it covered mozart's last requirem and his last opera, the magic flute).

''We tend to play them as sterile museum pieces, utterances of gods to be feared and worshipped. Written accounts of these composers and their contemporaries show that the music was treated like a living, breathing entity--with often a healthy amount of improvisation expected to take place.''

this is something to be looked at. i do want to know more abt improvisation and the role it has played in classical music. reading a bit abt classical, I would say improvisation was somehow ironed out.

''toraneko you must post more on ilm!!''

I second that!!!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 5 October 2002 16:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Um, I don't know that much about music. As in, if it's on MTV or Rage or the radio and I like it then that's good and that's about as far as it goes. I haven't bought a cd for years, and on the rare occasions when I have bought them I've only shopped for second hand ones which really restricts what's available (although I did get that Tool cd about 3 years ago with the moving eyes on the cover - which was pretty cool) so ILM is probably not the place for me.

As for improvisation etc. in "classical" music - the pre-classical composers used not to put in very much, if any, notation about tempo and dynamics as it was up to the individual performer to interpret the piece how they wanted. Same goes for trills and other ornamentation. Basically, they'd supply you with the main notes and then you'd fancy it up how you saw fit.

Most really old music, if played exactly as notated, sounds really plodding. Pausing, adding grace notes, altering the timing slightly, syncopating etc. as well as dynamic and tempo changes are needed to make the pieces sound good.

I'm sure there are other ILXers out there with far more musical training who can elaborate more on this.

toraneko (toraneko), Saturday, 5 October 2002 16:41 (twenty-three years ago)

''Um, I don't know that much about music. As in, if it's on MTV or Rage or the radio and I like it then that's good and that's about as far as it goes. I haven't bought a cd for years, and on the rare occasions when I have bought them I've only shopped for second hand ones which really restricts what's available (although I did get that Tool cd about 3 years ago with the moving eyes on the cover - which was pretty cool) so ILM is probably not the place for me.''

well it doesn't matter since you play music and obv you have things to say abt it.

OK so what composers made a good use of improvisation in music?

all this talk abt flutes reminds me of an Earle Brown CD I bought from Hat art last week. it's a graphic score for flutes. will listen to this today.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 5 October 2002 16:48 (twenty-three years ago)


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