FACE-OFF: Ghostface vs. Scarface

how can one make such a choice?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_QSwv7D84kG0/TIJTWvlnObI/AAAAAAAAACQ/arJ-dbipa-A/s1600/ghostfacekiller.png

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The one that rap fans actually think of if you call them just "Face"

http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/17100000/The-A-Team-Face-the-a-team-17165650-768-576.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSBuacgEaxI

voted scarface because of action bronson

haha

lol

exhibit A for the Scarface-side:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0M2UD9FoJk

Do you think about work in original bands (Geto Boys and Wu Tang) in something like this cos that changes the idea somewhat i think. Mind Playing Tricks being an all time classic v a few Wu Tangers too I suppose. This is just a coin flip for me - maybe go with Scarface for MPTOM.

ghostface. this is primarily a music board right??

impossible

huh? xp

scarface. this is primarily a music board right??

There is a methodical approach - Geto Boys v. Wu + Scarf v Ghost, but my gut says Brad. But wait, Dennis. I don't know. Brad.

face was always on the periphery of a lot of music cloverland thug era dylannnnnnnn was deep into and geto boys was key inspiration for a lot of it but honestly it old scarface, geto boys sounds tame and dated to me even now when a lot of for example old rap-a-lot the more i dig into it, the better it sounds. too much 90s thuglife universalism, less connected to neighborhood politics, less constrained by formal constraints of south rap-- i get it but i'd be the one trying to shut down a geto boys discussion by bringing up street military. my appreciation for face starts around last of a dying breed, balls and my word, the fix, old man rap gravitas on new york records and i've managed to backtrack into his catalogue and appreciate it, dig him popping up on like a ganksta nip track, master p feature, whatever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhsCXnkrgFA

stick and stones may break a nigga bones
but when i up chrome, i get a motherfucker gone
shoot patron chased with lemon drop
smoke purple til i'm too high
cryin, vibin to pac (all eyez on me)
done wrong, gon get done wrong
but how i feel and how i live
homeboy, won't fit in one song
free, i know you feel me, daddy
all a nigga know was to get money
and once you got your money niggas stole
cause who knows how shit goes when this shit plays out
rap music brought a nigga paydays without a doubt
but what do you do when it's all said and done
ain't nobody checkin for records and won't nobody come
life goes on
i don't want to be another joke
fifty five doin concerts, relying on the shows

nah, let's be real. it's gotta be ghostface.

ha dylann

feel like ghost has the broader vocabulary, certainly he gets weirder with his imagery, but both are super emotionally-heavy dudes. scarface may not rhyme about fruits or whatever but he has a direct-ness and an eye for detail that can just rip yr guts out

i agree with that. ghostface i guess was also on the periphery of the other key music for me but up north i was always into more conventional rappers from a clear lineage working within carefully defined vociferously defended formal constraints and rap rules. to me, wu was like... meth & red, kinda goofy, that speed racer video, not taking it seriously enough. so, like if we were debating who had the best verse on 'verbal intercourse'-- man, nas killed it! i can quote that line for line, I UNFOLD THE SCROLL PLANT SEEDS TO STAMPEDE THE GLOBE and i got a lot of time for that style of hardly defined bars and overwritten and written over looseleaf paper raps and project hallway realism and it took me a while to come around because part of the appeal of ghostface in a certain mode is exploding those rules, stretching the lengths of lines, varying tempos, constructing intricate lines or couplets that encompass their own little worlds within a verse and have their own internal rhythm, their own layers of language, and using those intricately built bars to build something bigger and more compelling. but never sounding jerkoffy or overthought or joyless or anything but effortless and perfectly natural.

on the ghost side:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umf2WmqY0qU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIUBb1C25h0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLPvnuYINBA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjtLEvmJEp4

I posted this on the random old ass rap you are loving thread but also puttin it here cuz, you know
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gN_UDm4zWo

Trying to decide who is a better story teller is even harder.

point me to some great scarface storytelling raps
i think i'd give that point to ghost anyday

ghostface but idk my block is kind of better than anything

Oh damn, sooo many. Like stated above Ghost is more creative but Face's directness is more affecting. Altho Ghost W Mary is one of the most affecting rap songs ever

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3BsKOV4G1Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbuEwd1b_Pw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-yYwKYqtsU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTk9n7-z55E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAsQfV6Pib0

Sorry for embed overload

The Suicide Note
http://youtu.be/Y3BsKOV4G1Y

Emeritus is a really good album

Soldier Story
http://youtu.be/2LSzb-pNQZ8

Like stated above Ghost is more creative but Face's directness is more affecting.

part of my problem here is I'm not sure which one is more affecting tbh. Ghost's stuff about childhood (Whip Me With A Strap, Child's Play, All That I Got Is You) is so evocative. or the line about the murdered 2yo in Cold Outside is just... damn.

Yeah word, I guess I just keep trying to give one the edge up on the other but it's hard.

voted Facemob but it was too close to call, gave Scar the edge as he's replied to my tweets, holding out the possibility of him coming to my next b'day party.

I think Ghost's a better writer but I listen to Scarface more. "Never" was like a daily listen for a while there. idk really good contest here

I love both pretty equally, feel like I listen to later-era Scarface more than I do later era Ghost though (Emeritus rulz)

Imagine life at it's full peak
Then imagine lying dead in the arms of your enemy
Imagine peace on this earth when there's no grief
Imagine grief on this earth when there's no peace

otm

Scarface

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

no matter who wins, the loser was robbed

ha for sure.

Love both but feel like the choice is clear. Which makes me think that Ghost should do an album called "The Ghost is Clear"

this verse is amazing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tw67XZE_qwo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc7GTnDyEDg

only 30 minutes to vote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCS15iuU57U

Voted one way then signed in to an old account and voted the other

lol you sneaky fucker

It was the only way

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

Fair enough. Good turnout.

wow, thought it was gonna be closer tbh

smh

for real

what's the problem? GHOSTFACE won.

ghostface. this is primarily a music board right??

― Treeship, Thursday, June 20, 2013 6:13 AM (2 weeks ago)

tbf, rapper vs. character in a movie is a more provocative pairing.

technically both were movie characters

I voted Scarface. feel like he had higher highs, plus I go back to his solo albums more often.

And you could never catch me on the block without a strap
And I would never pull it out unless I'm bouts to black
And I could never forget my homies dyin for they scratch
Forever pourin out liquor for em, God send me back

And I'll never shed tears, my heart is like a stone now
Never thought I'd live to see 21, look I'm grown now
Never say never, they tell me all the time
Cuz never means it's forever but it's never crossed my mind

And I'll never go broke, I promise Ima shine
Never come short on my issue, I'm on it every time
And I'll never be past it, you better gimme me mine
It's my money and I want it, every motherfuckin dime

scarface def has higher highs, plus he never fully settled into the complacency ghost seems to find himself in