is Beck's Sea Change this year's masterpiece?

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I will answer in 2-3 days. I have to examine it a bit more but what do you guys think???

Panagiotis Pileidis (Panagiotis Pileidis), Monday, 7 October 2002 20:42 (twenty-three years ago)

no. becuz it's sooo 1989 maaan!!!!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 7 October 2002 20:45 (twenty-three years ago)

From the other Sea Change thread a lot of people seemed to dislike it, but It continues to grow on me the more i listen to it, and I would definately call it the best album out this year (so far).

A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 7 October 2002 21:16 (twenty-three years ago)

I will never buy a record based upon rave reviews again. This album sucks.

J (Jay), Monday, 7 October 2002 21:21 (twenty-three years ago)

My review in full:

Doesn't suck. It's a grower. Not his best album either. Maybe his second best acoustic album, but who really cares about Beck's acoustic albums? Has anybody in this bitch heard "Dirty Dirty"?? Gimme that Beck back!

A.V. Alexandre (Keiko), Monday, 7 October 2002 21:47 (twenty-three years ago)

I thought it was pleasant but bland, but it's growing on me too.

Sean (Sean), Monday, 7 October 2002 22:12 (twenty-three years ago)

I was fortunate enough to buy when I was depressed. This album kicks ass.

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Monday, 7 October 2002 23:14 (twenty-three years ago)

I heard the 4 song sampler, and I couldn't stand it. Reeks of maturity.

Manny Parsons (Rahul Kamath), Monday, 7 October 2002 23:18 (twenty-three years ago)

It's getting cold and miserable and shitty out now so I think it'd be a good time for me to actually give this one a full-through listen soon. "Little One" and "Round the Bend" are amazing tracks, IMO.

Nate Patrin, Monday, 7 October 2002 23:21 (twenty-three years ago)

it is most certainly not

M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 7 October 2002 23:23 (twenty-three years ago)

I can think of at least ten albums released this year that are more masterpiecey than Sea Change. So, no.

Nick Mirov (nick), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 00:11 (twenty-three years ago)

19 year old Californian Beck fan Ellie puts it better than I could in her web medialog:

'Sea Change, for those of you who don't know, is supposed to be the follow-up to Mutations. Mutations was all right; I really liked some of the songs, and didn't dislike the others. And having noted the obvious contrast between Mutations and Odelay/Midnite Vultures (although those two are quite different from each other as well), I had a vague idea of what the general atmosphere of the new album was going to be like.

'Dear Beck:
Have I changed? Have you changed? These songs don't hit me the way your older records did. Perhaps we've both gotten more jaded, you and I; I'm not as enthusiastic or passionate about music, and you seem to have lost your particular sense of humor. I understand you must be heartbroken, but so am I.
xoxo, Ellie'

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 03:46 (twenty-three years ago)

Ellie goes on to say that what disappoints her most is the realisation that Beck is no longer the Great Innovator. I think some of the blame has to be laid at the feet of producer Nigel Goodrich, who's more likely to be found in a studio with Natalie Imbruglia than DAT Politics. When he's working with the Dust Bros. or Dan the Automator (as he is right now), Beck is still capable of great things. But when he's left alone with heartbreak, an acoustic guitar and... Nigel...

There's nothing worse than an ironist born again sincere. For Beck, the Dylan of the 90s, it's been a slow train coming.

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 03:59 (twenty-three years ago)

For Beck, the Dylan of the 90s, it's been a slow train coming.

*yawn*

Well, at least she didn't bring up the Scientology issue.

Jody Beth Rosen, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 04:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Wasn't he last spotted singing falsetto 'on the good ship menage a trois'? And now he's seul and Scientologist! Sea change indeed.

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 04:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Jody Beth is being a bit modest not linking to her article on the link between Beck and Bob Dylan's Christian period.

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 04:31 (twenty-three years ago)

S'ok. Nice arrangements.

Who could honestly get excited about songs like Lost Cause or Guess I'm Doing Fine, though? I don't get that.

gazuga (gazuga), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 04:35 (twenty-three years ago)

Jody Beth is being a bit modest not linking to her article on the link between Beck and Bob Dylan's Christian period.

The article wasn't really meant to link the two -- it just uses the Beck/Scientology issue as a launching point.

Jody Beth Rosen, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 04:42 (twenty-three years ago)

What this is really about, of course, is the politics of aesthetics, and the aesthetics of politics. What disappoints Ellie (and me) is that Beck is no longer an innovator, a musical radical. Choosing Nigel Goodrich as producer is a swing to the right, aesthetically speaking, after you've worked with the Dust Brothers. Talking about your Scientologist family rather than your Fluxus family in interviews is also a shift.

Jody's article details the hostility that greeted Dylan's Christian episode. (Considerably less venomous than his self-righteous rebuttals of it, it must be said.) This happened because, for many of the people in the 70s music industry, Dylan incarnated the left-humanist values of a generation. His Christian rebirth was a clear rightward swing. And, as Ellie says of Beck, there was also a sad sense of someone being deserted by his sense of humour and his spirit of play.

Now Beck is a canny man. He may feel that irony and genre-fuck are 90s tropes. (They're as 90s as Bill Clinton, in fact.) He may have noticed a swing to the right in America in general, and tailored his current sound and image to that. Or he may just be miserable because his girlfriend dumped him and then Winona didn't stick around either. Whatever his reasons, just like those coke snorting liberal CBS execs back in the 70s, some of us decadents wish he would keep pushing at the art boundaries instead of twanging morosely on his own heart strings. More innovation, bastardisation, and ostentatiously fake falsetto songs about filth in the back of a Mercedes Benz, please, Mr Beck!

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 05:05 (twenty-three years ago)

How is Beck supposed to be innovative by working with the Dust Bros. (Linkin Park) and Dan the Automator (who's solo album and last few production jobs have been pretty weak). Frankly, I think making an album with Scott Walker psychedelic orchestrations was a great idea, much better than say trying to out hipster the hipsters with every new work (whoops, are we talking about Beck or Pulp here?). Besides, from what I've read in inteveriews, he does have a ton of songs written that are in the vein of odelay, he's just hesitant to release them because that sound's been so co-opted.

Away from all that though, I think it's important to remember this is Beck, and whether sincere and teary or ironic and goofy, nothing will last. This album isn't a sign of new directions or changed attitudes. It's just his release and focusing on a small two week period of his life. As he's shown by hiring the Flaming Lips as his backing band, he's already moved on. Hopefully towards something even trippier. Pure psychedelic Beck would be great.

Sean O., Tuesday, 8 October 2002 05:57 (twenty-three years ago)

This happened because, for many of the people in the 70s music industry, Dylan incarnated the left-humanist values of a generation.

But, to be fair, this had been happening since he "went electric." And it's been said that his protest music only existed as a way for him to align himself with other early '60s folksingers. So was his Christian music more honest than "Blowin' in the Wind"?

Jody Beth Rosen, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 06:17 (twenty-three years ago)

But, to be fair, this had been happening since he "went electric."

The so-called "rightward swing," that is.

Jody Beth Rosen, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 06:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Admittedly I got into this record after falling into depression. But I can't completely embrace it. Something about the earnestness makes me resist. I've always been a bit bothered how people slam the 'ironic' Beck and then rub their hands together when he releases Mutations-like stuff, the "serious" stuff. Part of this is because Beck seems to provide such a split... why do we need 2 records of 2 stylistic personas? Why can't he tug heartstrings along with the colorful 3-D pastiche production? Sea Change is like he's proving his emotional capacity, which is fine, but I wish he didn't have to settle down and differentiate between "play" and "lament".

Honda, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 06:22 (twenty-three years ago)

He may feel that irony and genre-fuck are 90s tropes.

Sea Change IS a genre-fuck, though. It sounds like nothing else he's done (yes, Mutations was acoustic, but it sounded like Syd Barrett and Canterbury prog-folk, and One Foot in the Grave was drunken slacker blues). I see it as Beck's challenge to himself (and his audience).

Jody Beth Rosen, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 06:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, Beck's own official press release for the album does evoke a direct connection with 'Mutations'. As Honda says, he's always been very binary, even schizoid. There are his 'folk' records and his 'rock' records. Beck's own brother told me a couple of months back that 'Sea Change' was a 'folk' record and that he's now working on a 'rock' one. But I think he uses 'rock' in the way other people use the word 'pop' -- in other words, rock is where he can be inauthentic, do pastiche, and be a bit klepto.

To complicate matters, it would be much more accurate to call pop music the 'folk music' of our time, since it's much more in the trad. anon. mold of folk. That whole culture of remixes and rip offs is very folk. It's a corporate version of community music, marking the festivals of the calendar of the year (Christmas singles, etc). Rock, on the other hand, insists on the auteur and on 'meaning it'. So I'd say 'Sea Change' is a rock album, made with a rock producer (Mr Radiohead himself), and that we should be looking forward to Beck's pop album, because that will be his real 'folk' album.

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 07:56 (twenty-three years ago)

made with a rock producer (Mr Radiohead himself)
Now, I'm not much of a fan at all of Nigel Godrich's non-Radiohead productions, but I don't really see how he's a "rock producer". Especially in relation to Radiohead. I mean, you say that as if one implies the other. He works with Radiohead=he is evil rock producer? I mean, a) he's basically their glorified engineer as they do most of the production work themselves, b) they're hardly "rock", yes?
Though he is a bit soul-suckingly tasteful when it comes to other artists. He's not an auteur.


Anyway, Sea Change is awful.

This whole post had no point.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 08:15 (twenty-three years ago)

there is already myth that surrounds this, biographical myth- about a gf and another man, and finding that out over email-this album seems so cold and acoustic and sad, its christian dylan alright and christan dylan makes me weep, so does this.

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 09:31 (twenty-three years ago)

the other thing- is that maybe if electrons brought the heart break-maybe he has lost his faith in technology, a case of shooting the messanger.

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 09:32 (twenty-three years ago)

one more thing- irony is a defense against sentiment, maybe losing irony is allowing yourself to go farther into the genuine (all pomo cavaetes apply to that word)

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 09:34 (twenty-three years ago)

get lives.

sf, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 09:39 (twenty-three years ago)

didn't this thing get like 5-stars in rolling stone? not that it matters, but to my memory, it would be the first NON-BOOMER-ARTIST album to do so since "automatic for the people." its getting drooled over in most reviews except for that village voice one (and pitchfork, of course)

i dont really care for beck's acoustic albums, so i just skip them, knowing something new (or mewish) will be coming up next. i got mutations but sold it. who cares who the "real beck" is, or if there are two of them, all we know is that oscillation is the constant, so we needn't get too fond or disappointed with whatever style he's currently evoking, as its bound to change, as sean o said. to keep expecting variations, its kind of simple

"some of us decadents wish he would keep pushing at the art boundaries instead of twanging morosely on his own heart strings."

hey, the guy's long-time girlfriend (and fiance?) of 9-years just cheated on him and dumped his ass, so give him a lil' break to be morose for a while (or maybe decadents wiouldn't understand what that feels like :). surely he's entitled to it for at least an album or too, no? he can't parcel out and keep pandering to the tastes of capricious 19-year old californians every time - he's too capricious himself

V, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 10:10 (twenty-three years ago)

*mewish = newish, okay? OKAY?? i have two midterms today and 2.5 hours to sleep ::sigh:: not-my-best-day ahead :P

V, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 10:28 (twenty-three years ago)

Sea Change does not sound like Scott Walker. It sounds like Steven Stills. I can only hope that Beck is playing a joke on us by taking the second most maligned pop genre (L.A. singer-songwriter) and doing to it what others have done to the most maligned pop genre (Prog). I'm not optomistic, though.

BTW, Mutations is fucking great. And Momus is OTM.

J (Jay), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 10:38 (twenty-three years ago)

Omigod! That's the first time I think anybody has ever said I'm OTM!

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 11:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Can we call you Sir now, Momus?

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 11:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Alex is OTM!

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 12:02 (twenty-three years ago)

I like Sea Change - I don't think it's a masterpiece, but it's very pleasant to listen to, something I can't say I feel about much of Midnite Vultures.

Interestingly enough though, I think this (Debra excepted), is the first time I've heard Beck hold notes for a while, as if he's attempting some sort of croon, which seems to completely change his voice - he sounds far less laconic, but more disconcerting at the same time. Anyone agree?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 12:03 (twenty-three years ago)

I quite like "Lost Cause", but maybe that's because it seems the most Mutations-like song on the record - seems almost a companion piece to "Canceled Cheque". He sings that "tired of fighting, tired of fighting" line so perfectly. I like the album as a whole, but I think the rest of this record - and "Midnight Vultures" in a different way - suffers from a desire to make a consistent album, when consistency has always been the last thing anyone's liked about Beck. It seems like he's letting the theme dictate the content a little artificially. Being bummed out about a failed relationship in real life can inspire all kinds of reactions simultaneously - not just bleak heartbreak, but also relief, guilt, regret, joy, hedonism, rage ... so the poor pitiful me bit gets a little dull. Whereas - to me anyway - a Hank Williams record or "Tonight's The Night" or "Here My Dear" or [insert your favourite record about loss here] are less affected.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 12:25 (twenty-three years ago)

what is OTM, if u dont mind sneering at my abbreviation-cluelessness

V, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 13:43 (twenty-three years ago)

OTM = on the money.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 14:03 (twenty-three years ago)

Masterpiece? No...it gets to be too much of a bummer when you listen to the whole thing one song after the other. I've found myself enjoying any song I hear from it, though, when they come up on random play.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 14:29 (twenty-three years ago)

OTM can also be 'On The Momus'

kinski (kinski), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 14:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Hmmm, only heard "Sea Change" once, but it doesn't seem like a masterpiece. I'll answer properly after a few more listens, but it doesn't seem like an album of the year contender.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 18:09 (twenty-three years ago)

I would have thought Godrich was a rock producer in fairness Mel, I won't bother arguing about whether Radiohead are or aren't rock because the likes of Travis are indisputably rock.

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 18:28 (twenty-three years ago)

I am really amazed at all this negative criticism of 'Sea Change'. I would have to say that Momus (and therefore Alex) are NOTM. Nigel's production in itself is really amazing. The use of reverb on Beck's voice is so beautiful, and the overlapping of different compressions and such makes this album a masterpiece of production. The ironicless lyrics and melodies Beck sings fit perfectly with this. (He was never really a total ironist anyway, unlike Momus)

If he would genre-fuck all the time it wouldn't be anything special. where is the ground to that? His new album is such a genre-fuck of the genre which is the genre-fucking from his last album. (does that make sense?) It may seem on the surface that this album is not innovative at all, but just by the juxtapostion of this style of folk and the style of production it is breaking new ground. So, I think some of the praise has to be laid at the feet of producer Nigel Goodrich.

I also think Ellie gave her review too quickly and I bet it will grow on her just like it did on me. (upon first listen I disliked it.)

A Nairn (moretap), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 19:48 (twenty-three years ago)

"they're hardly "rock", yes?"

They're obviously not defiantly traditional, but loosely speaking, I think of Radiohead as a rock band. I also think of Travis and Pavement as rock bands, so I'd have to say Godrich probably is a rock producer.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 19:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Then why didn't he call him "Mr. Travis" or "Mr. Pavement"?

Melissa W (Melissa W), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 21:07 (twenty-three years ago)

I would have to say that Momus (and therefore Alex) are NOTM
I never said anything bad about the Beck record in this thread! In another thread I said that I loved the album after the first listen and got tired of it after a couple of listens. And wrote also that I will probably change my mind tomorrow!

I haven't listened to the album again. There is something here as in many Beck (except Mutations) records which doesn't make me want to listen to it again at home. Though I am sure I would love listening to it by chance in a pub or shop. It is rather nice but it definitely does not stand up to Harvest which must have been a very strong influence. It sounds like a pale clone of Harvest to my ears.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 21:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Radiohead is a lot more indisputably rock than Travis, to my ears.

Kris (aqueduct), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 21:18 (twenty-three years ago)

the new Bonnie Prince Billy is everything that the Beck album should have been, and IT is one of the best of the year.

That said, i do like Sea Change - refer to my feature review in upcoming issue of Yr Flesh.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Monday, 17 March 2003 05:57 (twenty-two years ago)

...and i'll second the props for the new Bonnie Prince Billy.

christoff (christoff), Monday, 17 March 2003 19:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Beck is this year's master putz!

wocka wocka wocka!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 17 March 2003 23:24 (twenty-two years ago)

so that's what the 'p' in Master P stands for

oops (Oops), Monday, 17 March 2003 23:28 (twenty-two years ago)

this is the album where Beck records an exact copy of Serge Gainsbourg's 'Cargo Culte', only gives himself songwriting credits? I fear my question answers yours.

DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 17 March 2003 23:51 (twenty-two years ago)

the beck album was really good. we should talk about it.

mark p (Mark P), Monday, 17 March 2003 23:53 (twenty-two years ago)

last night/this morning on the spanish channel at around 3:55am they showed the video for MIXED BIZZNESS and it really fucking hit me for some reason. the video is so good and the song relly struck a chord i wanted to cry or something.

chaki (chaki), Monday, 17 March 2003 23:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I think, if Beck managed to mix the classic melodic Ivor Novello-songsmith brilliance of "Mutations" and "Sea Change" with the sonic genius of "Odelay", then he'd create his definite masterpiece.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 02:04 (twenty-two years ago)

eleven months pass...
i still really like this album suckers

amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 27 February 2004 12:46 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't

Sym (shmuel), Friday, 27 February 2004 12:48 (twenty-one years ago)

the title of this thread burns my eyes

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 27 February 2004 13:21 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah well it is kind of embarrassing (the title i mean) but i still like the album

it's cool that people don't like it, but what just makes me laugh are the claims by some people that it is somehow profoundly retrograde and dishonest, that it's last year's record, or 1974's record, or whatever

amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 27 February 2004 13:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I dug it out again the other day after talking to a friend of mine who's going through a divorce and it just rolled over me like a steamroller. It's a great album. It's just not the kind of album I'd want to listen to everyday.

BrianB (BrianB), Friday, 27 February 2004 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I just don't like it because it's the first Beck album where instead of assimilating his influences, he just copies them wholesale (cf. Gainsbourg).

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Friday, 27 February 2004 18:02 (twenty-one years ago)

It's followed in the grand tradition of Beck albums (with the possible except of Mellow Gold) of being really really good the first five months, then daring you to listen to them again thereafter.

donut bitch (donut), Friday, 27 February 2004 18:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I've owned a few Beck albums and yeah they all sound great the first couple of times around, and then you go to the record store and trade them in for Motorhead CDs.

Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 27 February 2004 18:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I listened to Odelay a couple weeks ago and it was still grebt. And after listening to the blahness of Sea Change, Mutations sounds goddamned brilliant. Y'ALL SUCK.

Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Friday, 27 February 2004 18:48 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...

i still really like this album suckers redux

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 15 May 2004 05:13 (twenty-one years ago)

its ok its not great its just blah

Pablo Cruise (chaki), Saturday, 15 May 2004 05:15 (twenty-one years ago)

it's wonderfully, enduringly blah!!

seriously, its almost perverse levelheadedness is something i appreciate about it

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 15 May 2004 05:21 (twenty-one years ago)

when ever i hear a song from this album it makes me cry.

christhamrin (christhamrin), Saturday, 15 May 2004 05:45 (twenty-one years ago)

because of how bad it is!

christhamrin (christhamrin), Saturday, 15 May 2004 05:46 (twenty-one years ago)

What a dissapointment this album was. I'm used to a Beck who
releases great albums. Instead, all I got was a few good songs:

Paper Tiger, End Of The Day, Sunday Sun, Little One

which were, neverthless, performed far too sluggishly.

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Saturday, 15 May 2004 05:56 (twenty-one years ago)

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NICK CAVE AND THE BAD SEEDS REMIND YOU THAT ZERO IS ALSO A NUMBER (ex machina), Saturday, 15 May 2004 06:09 (twenty-one years ago)

damn, how did i know who was going to post that?

christhamrin (christhamrin), Saturday, 15 May 2004 06:10 (twenty-one years ago)

is your chest hair reappearing jon?

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 15 May 2004 06:45 (twenty-one years ago)

on his ass maybe

cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 15 May 2004 06:46 (twenty-one years ago)

YES

NICK CAVE AND THE BAD SEEDS REMIND YOU THAT ZERO IS ALSO A NUMBER (ex machina), Saturday, 15 May 2004 06:48 (twenty-one years ago)

man that mopey tune from eternal sunshine had me thinking 'maybe i need to give sea change another chance' for like five seconds

cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 15 May 2004 07:05 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah that sounded like a sea change outtake totally

unless his new record is gonna sound the same

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 15 May 2004 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

This thread is wacky. Whatever happened to Philo?

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 15 May 2004 17:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Good god, now I remember this thread, AND Philo.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 15 May 2004 17:36 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
Just for historical delight I'm choosing to revive this Sea Change thread out of all the possible choices (two C/Ds, one illegibile tirade) - I finally bought this album today, having been holding out for the vinyl all this time. Is it samey? Yeah, I guess. Can I hear why many would find it dull? Sure. But...do I love it? YES. It's lovely, tuneful, lush music, and everybody needs a few good evening albums. If I had a car I'd tape this and listen to it on late night drives going nowhere. Right now I'm listening to it on headphones and it's turned a lovely sunny day into several shades of purple and gray. That's some kind of achievement.

I haven't heard much of the bands that are cited as rip-off victims (Bread etc) but, you know, is there something fundamentally worse about making a Bread pastiche than a Prince one? At least the Bread pastiche I can relate to. There's drama, maaan! I can dig it.

Also, it's not as samey as I (and certainly others) thought of it. There may be only a few songs that deviate from the general mode, but they're worth it - "Sunday Sun" in particular has to be about the best production Beck's ever put forth in terms of uniting the recording studio behind the song.

Surely at least some of those who slagged on Sea Change have to be ready to give it another chance after Guero, right?

Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Friday, 21 April 2006 19:58 (nineteen years ago)

I heard this for the first time a few weeks ago and thought it was awful. Beck has *ahem* wiped his mind clear of all the things that made him interesting to begin with.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 21 April 2006 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

Kooky-Pail Gumdrops

Kooky-pail gumdrops
Kissin up the lollipops
Talkin to the candyman
Up shot boob grab

Takin it to the hole, man
Looking like a dope, jam
Mealymouthed crabclaw
Shovel pants in-bone ham

banana squad (dayvidday), Friday, 21 April 2006 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

A great album that has slowly turned itself into my favourite Beck album.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 21 April 2006 22:38 (nineteen years ago)

it is fucking awful and i sold it

fuck this album

except "little one" which is ok

a.b. (alanbanana), Friday, 21 April 2006 22:50 (nineteen years ago)

i always liked this album ok

pssst - badass revolutionary art! (plsmith), Friday, 21 April 2006 23:10 (nineteen years ago)

ok.sea change,for the most part,is wack.lost cause rules though.mr.darnielle...how come natalia hates me?

jimmyisajerk, Friday, 21 April 2006 23:44 (nineteen years ago)

It'd be better if he could sing out of his beard. And had better songs, only a few really gets me going, and I can't even remember which.

strom (strom), Friday, 21 April 2006 23:50 (nineteen years ago)

Oh god not this again.

J (Jay), Friday, 21 April 2006 23:58 (nineteen years ago)

I was having lunch in a vegetarian restaurant in Seattle when I heard this great song being played over the restaurants sound system. The singer sounded like he was accompanied by the philharmonic orchestra. I asked the waiter what was playing and he said; Beck's Sea Change. The song playing was Lonesome Tears, and I know that much because after finishing lunch I went right out and bought the CD. I am over fifty years old and mostly listen to folk music (hank dogs, hem, gillian welch, folkers like that)so buying a Beck CD was kind of out of my range. I have discovered that in the most unusual musical way that Sea Change is actually addicting. I would put a label on this CD: Warning, may be habit forming! I see that it has been referred to as a downer, a bummer, that Beck is in transition from some dark place. Do not let that steer you off course from Sea Change. The music just takes you along on this sea of sensation, and not once have I felt brought down by it. Infact it seems to put me at ease, as if I have surrendered my anxiety. I can listen to it on my way to work in the morning and last thing at night and its effect seems to have the same results, I want to play it all over again. Thank you for sharing your formidable talent,Beck. I expect your next CD to be something entirely different as that is your apparent musical nature.

Ralphus, Saturday, 22 April 2006 09:26 (nineteen years ago)

God, when this came out all my 12 CD friends wouldn't fucking stop pestering me about it. "Maybe the greatest album ever, man!" So I picked up a burned copy and eh... Mutations is my favorite Beck album. Sea Change is pleasant but has absolutely no sticking power in my mind. I could listen to the whole album and not remember it ten minutes later. It made me go clear.

js (honestengine), Saturday, 22 April 2006 11:15 (nineteen years ago)

years later, and i still can't play this album the whole way thru...
is it because it paralelled how i felt at the time to utter heartbreaking degree???
answer- yes.

man, this album makes me feel like shit...

eedd, Saturday, 22 April 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

^^^ lolz ahoy

-+-++++, Saturday, 22 April 2006 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

STRONGO: Warning: may be habit forming!
STRONGO: beck pushing weight
PD187: i would put a label on this cd
STRONGO: young beezy
PD187: c dolores becker
STRONGO: trap ordelay
PD187: tom odelay

-+-+-+++, Saturday, 22 April 2006 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

this album still blows chunks

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Saturday, 22 April 2006 15:44 (nineteen years ago)

singer-songwriter beef!!!!!!

-+-+-+++, Saturday, 22 April 2006 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

There is nothing wrong with the singer-songwriter genre. And Beck does it better than most.

And no fucking shit about "relevance". Good music is always relevant!

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 22 April 2006 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

yes geir the only explanation is that john darnielle hates singer-songwriters

-+-++-++, Saturday, 22 April 2006 17:16 (nineteen years ago)


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