― Panagiotis Pileidis (Panagiotis Pileidis), Monday, 7 October 2002 20:42 (twenty-three years ago)
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 7 October 2002 20:45 (twenty-three years ago)
― A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 7 October 2002 21:16 (twenty-three years ago)
― J (Jay), Monday, 7 October 2002 21:21 (twenty-three years ago)
Doesn't suck. It's a grower. Not his best album either. Maybe his second best acoustic album, but who really cares about Beck's acoustic albums? Has anybody in this bitch heard "Dirty Dirty"?? Gimme that Beck back!
― A.V. Alexandre (Keiko), Monday, 7 October 2002 21:47 (twenty-three years ago)
― Sean (Sean), Monday, 7 October 2002 22:12 (twenty-three years ago)
― My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Monday, 7 October 2002 23:14 (twenty-three years ago)
― Manny Parsons (Rahul Kamath), Monday, 7 October 2002 23:18 (twenty-three years ago)
― Nate Patrin, Monday, 7 October 2002 23:21 (twenty-three years ago)
― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 7 October 2002 23:23 (twenty-three years ago)
― Sean@tangmonkey (Sean M), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 00:03 (twenty-three years ago)
― Nick Mirov (nick), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 00:11 (twenty-three years ago)
'Sea Change, for those of you who don't know, is supposed to be the follow-up to Mutations. Mutations was all right; I really liked some of the songs, and didn't dislike the others. And having noted the obvious contrast between Mutations and Odelay/Midnite Vultures (although those two are quite different from each other as well), I had a vague idea of what the general atmosphere of the new album was going to be like.
'Dear Beck:Have I changed? Have you changed? These songs don't hit me the way your older records did. Perhaps we've both gotten more jaded, you and I; I'm not as enthusiastic or passionate about music, and you seem to have lost your particular sense of humor. I understand you must be heartbroken, but so am I. xoxo, Ellie'
― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 03:46 (twenty-three years ago)
There's nothing worse than an ironist born again sincere. For Beck, the Dylan of the 90s, it's been a slow train coming.
― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 03:59 (twenty-three years ago)
*yawn*
Well, at least she didn't bring up the Scientology issue.
― Jody Beth Rosen, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 04:06 (twenty-three years ago)
― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 04:22 (twenty-three years ago)
― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 04:31 (twenty-three years ago)
Who could honestly get excited about songs like Lost Cause or Guess I'm Doing Fine, though? I don't get that.
― gazuga (gazuga), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 04:35 (twenty-three years ago)
The article wasn't really meant to link the two -- it just uses the Beck/Scientology issue as a launching point.
― Jody Beth Rosen, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 04:42 (twenty-three years ago)
Jody's article details the hostility that greeted Dylan's Christian episode. (Considerably less venomous than his self-righteous rebuttals of it, it must be said.) This happened because, for many of the people in the 70s music industry, Dylan incarnated the left-humanist values of a generation. His Christian rebirth was a clear rightward swing. And, as Ellie says of Beck, there was also a sad sense of someone being deserted by his sense of humour and his spirit of play.
Now Beck is a canny man. He may feel that irony and genre-fuck are 90s tropes. (They're as 90s as Bill Clinton, in fact.) He may have noticed a swing to the right in America in general, and tailored his current sound and image to that. Or he may just be miserable because his girlfriend dumped him and then Winona didn't stick around either. Whatever his reasons, just like those coke snorting liberal CBS execs back in the 70s, some of us decadents wish he would keep pushing at the art boundaries instead of twanging morosely on his own heart strings. More innovation, bastardisation, and ostentatiously fake falsetto songs about filth in the back of a Mercedes Benz, please, Mr Beck!
― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 05:05 (twenty-three years ago)
Away from all that though, I think it's important to remember this is Beck, and whether sincere and teary or ironic and goofy, nothing will last. This album isn't a sign of new directions or changed attitudes. It's just his release and focusing on a small two week period of his life. As he's shown by hiring the Flaming Lips as his backing band, he's already moved on. Hopefully towards something even trippier. Pure psychedelic Beck would be great.
― Sean O., Tuesday, 8 October 2002 05:57 (twenty-three years ago)
But, to be fair, this had been happening since he "went electric." And it's been said that his protest music only existed as a way for him to align himself with other early '60s folksingers. So was his Christian music more honest than "Blowin' in the Wind"?
― Jody Beth Rosen, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 06:17 (twenty-three years ago)
The so-called "rightward swing," that is.
― Jody Beth Rosen, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 06:21 (twenty-three years ago)
― Honda, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 06:22 (twenty-three years ago)
Sea Change IS a genre-fuck, though. It sounds like nothing else he's done (yes, Mutations was acoustic, but it sounded like Syd Barrett and Canterbury prog-folk, and One Foot in the Grave was drunken slacker blues). I see it as Beck's challenge to himself (and his audience).
― Jody Beth Rosen, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 06:30 (twenty-three years ago)
To complicate matters, it would be much more accurate to call pop music the 'folk music' of our time, since it's much more in the trad. anon. mold of folk. That whole culture of remixes and rip offs is very folk. It's a corporate version of community music, marking the festivals of the calendar of the year (Christmas singles, etc). Rock, on the other hand, insists on the auteur and on 'meaning it'. So I'd say 'Sea Change' is a rock album, made with a rock producer (Mr Radiohead himself), and that we should be looking forward to Beck's pop album, because that will be his real 'folk' album.
― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 07:56 (twenty-three years ago)
Anyway, Sea Change is awful.
This whole post had no point.
― Melissa W (Melissa W), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 08:15 (twenty-three years ago)
― anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 09:31 (twenty-three years ago)
― anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 09:32 (twenty-three years ago)
― anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 09:34 (twenty-three years ago)
― sf, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 09:39 (twenty-three years ago)
i dont really care for beck's acoustic albums, so i just skip them, knowing something new (or mewish) will be coming up next. i got mutations but sold it. who cares who the "real beck" is, or if there are two of them, all we know is that oscillation is the constant, so we needn't get too fond or disappointed with whatever style he's currently evoking, as its bound to change, as sean o said. to keep expecting variations, its kind of simple
"some of us decadents wish he would keep pushing at the art boundaries instead of twanging morosely on his own heart strings."
hey, the guy's long-time girlfriend (and fiance?) of 9-years just cheated on him and dumped his ass, so give him a lil' break to be morose for a while (or maybe decadents wiouldn't understand what that feels like :). surely he's entitled to it for at least an album or too, no? he can't parcel out and keep pandering to the tastes of capricious 19-year old californians every time - he's too capricious himself
― V, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 10:10 (twenty-three years ago)
― V, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 10:28 (twenty-three years ago)
BTW, Mutations is fucking great. And Momus is OTM.
― J (Jay), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 10:38 (twenty-three years ago)
― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 11:14 (twenty-three years ago)
― alex in mainhattan (alex63), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 11:29 (twenty-three years ago)
― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 12:02 (twenty-three years ago)
Interestingly enough though, I think this (Debra excepted), is the first time I've heard Beck hold notes for a while, as if he's attempting some sort of croon, which seems to completely change his voice - he sounds far less laconic, but more disconcerting at the same time. Anyone agree?
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 12:03 (twenty-three years ago)
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 12:25 (twenty-three years ago)
― V, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 13:43 (twenty-three years ago)
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 14:03 (twenty-three years ago)
― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 14:29 (twenty-three years ago)
― kinski (kinski), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 14:44 (twenty-three years ago)
― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 18:09 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 18:28 (twenty-three years ago)
If he would genre-fuck all the time it wouldn't be anything special. where is the ground to that? His new album is such a genre-fuck of the genre which is the genre-fucking from his last album. (does that make sense?) It may seem on the surface that this album is not innovative at all, but just by the juxtapostion of this style of folk and the style of production it is breaking new ground. So, I think some of the praise has to be laid at the feet of producer Nigel Goodrich. I also think Ellie gave her review too quickly and I bet it will grow on her just like it did on me. (upon first listen I disliked it.)
― A Nairn (moretap), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 19:48 (twenty-three years ago)
They're obviously not defiantly traditional, but loosely speaking, I think of Radiohead as a rock band. I also think of Travis and Pavement as rock bands, so I'd have to say Godrich probably is a rock producer.
― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 19:49 (twenty-three years ago)
― Melissa W (Melissa W), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 21:07 (twenty-three years ago)
I haven't listened to the album again. There is something here as in many Beck (except Mutations) records which doesn't make me want to listen to it again at home. Though I am sure I would love listening to it by chance in a pub or shop. It is rather nice but it definitely does not stand up to Harvest which must have been a very strong influence. It sounds like a pale clone of Harvest to my ears.
― alex in mainhattan (alex63), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 21:12 (twenty-three years ago)
― Kris (aqueduct), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 21:18 (twenty-three years ago)
That said, i do like Sea Change - refer to my feature review in upcoming issue of Yr Flesh.
― roger adultery (roger adultery), Monday, 17 March 2003 05:57 (twenty-two years ago)
― christoff (christoff), Monday, 17 March 2003 19:51 (twenty-two years ago)
wocka wocka wocka!
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 17 March 2003 23:24 (twenty-two years ago)
― oops (Oops), Monday, 17 March 2003 23:28 (twenty-two years ago)
― DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 17 March 2003 23:51 (twenty-two years ago)
― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 17 March 2003 23:53 (twenty-two years ago)
― chaki (chaki), Monday, 17 March 2003 23:55 (twenty-two years ago)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 02:04 (twenty-two years ago)
― amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 27 February 2004 12:46 (twenty-one years ago)
― Sym (shmuel), Friday, 27 February 2004 12:48 (twenty-one years ago)
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 27 February 2004 13:21 (twenty-one years ago)
it's cool that people don't like it, but what just makes me laugh are the claims by some people that it is somehow profoundly retrograde and dishonest, that it's last year's record, or 1974's record, or whatever
― amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 27 February 2004 13:23 (twenty-one years ago)
― BrianB (BrianB), Friday, 27 February 2004 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)
― Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Friday, 27 February 2004 18:02 (twenty-one years ago)
― donut bitch (donut), Friday, 27 February 2004 18:09 (twenty-one years ago)
― Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 27 February 2004 18:46 (twenty-one years ago)
― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Friday, 27 February 2004 18:48 (twenty-one years ago)
― amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 15 May 2004 05:13 (twenty-one years ago)
― Pablo Cruise (chaki), Saturday, 15 May 2004 05:15 (twenty-one years ago)
seriously, its almost perverse levelheadedness is something i appreciate about it
― amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 15 May 2004 05:21 (twenty-one years ago)
― christhamrin (christhamrin), Saturday, 15 May 2004 05:45 (twenty-one years ago)
― christhamrin (christhamrin), Saturday, 15 May 2004 05:46 (twenty-one years ago)
Paper Tiger, End Of The Day, Sunday Sun, Little One
which were, neverthless, performed far too sluggishly.
― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Saturday, 15 May 2004 05:56 (twenty-one years ago)
― NICK CAVE AND THE BAD SEEDS REMIND YOU THAT ZERO IS ALSO A NUMBER (ex machina), Saturday, 15 May 2004 06:09 (twenty-one years ago)
― christhamrin (christhamrin), Saturday, 15 May 2004 06:10 (twenty-one years ago)
― amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 15 May 2004 06:45 (twenty-one years ago)
― cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 15 May 2004 06:46 (twenty-one years ago)
― NICK CAVE AND THE BAD SEEDS REMIND YOU THAT ZERO IS ALSO A NUMBER (ex machina), Saturday, 15 May 2004 06:48 (twenty-one years ago)
― cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 15 May 2004 07:05 (twenty-one years ago)
unless his new record is gonna sound the same
― amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 15 May 2004 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 15 May 2004 17:14 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 15 May 2004 17:36 (twenty-one years ago)
I haven't heard much of the bands that are cited as rip-off victims (Bread etc) but, you know, is there something fundamentally worse about making a Bread pastiche than a Prince one? At least the Bread pastiche I can relate to. There's drama, maaan! I can dig it.
Also, it's not as samey as I (and certainly others) thought of it. There may be only a few songs that deviate from the general mode, but they're worth it - "Sunday Sun" in particular has to be about the best production Beck's ever put forth in terms of uniting the recording studio behind the song.
Surely at least some of those who slagged on Sea Change have to be ready to give it another chance after Guero, right?
― Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Friday, 21 April 2006 19:58 (nineteen years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 21 April 2006 20:59 (nineteen years ago)
― banana squad (dayvidday), Friday, 21 April 2006 21:26 (nineteen years ago)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 21 April 2006 22:38 (nineteen years ago)
fuck this album
except "little one" which is ok
― a.b. (alanbanana), Friday, 21 April 2006 22:50 (nineteen years ago)
― pssst - badass revolutionary art! (plsmith), Friday, 21 April 2006 23:10 (nineteen years ago)
― jimmyisajerk, Friday, 21 April 2006 23:44 (nineteen years ago)
― strom (strom), Friday, 21 April 2006 23:50 (nineteen years ago)
― J (Jay), Friday, 21 April 2006 23:58 (nineteen years ago)
― Ralphus, Saturday, 22 April 2006 09:26 (nineteen years ago)
― js (honestengine), Saturday, 22 April 2006 11:15 (nineteen years ago)
man, this album makes me feel like shit...
― eedd, Saturday, 22 April 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)
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― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Saturday, 22 April 2006 15:44 (nineteen years ago)
― -+-+-+++, Saturday, 22 April 2006 15:45 (nineteen years ago)
And no fucking shit about "relevance". Good music is always relevant!
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 22 April 2006 17:08 (nineteen years ago)
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