"Designed by robots specifically to make me hate it"

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Tim H said this about System Of A Down. So here's a game

If robots were designing music specifically to make you hate it, what would it be like? You describe it using AS FEW AS POSSIBLE ACTUAL BAND/ARTIST/SONG NAMES as reference points, and then a fellow ILE poster can tell you what your anti-music would be. So for instance mine might be:

- acoustic rhythm guitar
- shuffly slow loops as backing
- bluesy white male voice
- vaguely philosophical lyrics

And one of you could fill in the blanks. Got it? Good.

Of course this game can be done with "love it" too, but thats a different thread maybe.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 11 October 2002 13:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Tom put that Gomez album away.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 11 October 2002 13:19 (twenty-three years ago)

computer generated beats
faux cool
worthy
trendy
dancing in a club
urban

jel -- (jel), Friday, 11 October 2002 13:38 (twenty-three years ago)

deep house!

jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 11 October 2002 13:41 (twenty-three years ago)

kooky, breathy female vocals
philosophical/political yet overly simplistic lyrics

Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 11 October 2002 13:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh yes, and quasi-grunge guitars.

Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 11 October 2002 13:43 (twenty-three years ago)

VERUCA SALT! or Belly.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 11 October 2002 13:46 (twenty-three years ago)

poetic
guitar strumming
dead

jel -- (jel), Friday, 11 October 2002 13:47 (twenty-three years ago)

bob dylan!

jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 11 October 2002 13:48 (twenty-three years ago)

I keep trying to think of a way of describing a U2/Fun Lovin' Criminals/bad UK Garage MC hyrid and then thinking 'actually, that ends up sounding quite rad'.

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 11 October 2002 13:49 (twenty-three years ago)

I should add 'tempo changes' to my list but then you get The Coral who I actually quite like.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 11 October 2002 13:49 (twenty-three years ago)

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00004CXSL.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
... + Nickelback.

stevo (stevo), Friday, 11 October 2002 13:50 (twenty-three years ago)

kooky, breathy female vocals
philosophical/political yet overly simplistic lyrics

I suddenly have visions of Tori Amos covering Rage Against The Machine songs.

Siegbran (eofor), Friday, 11 October 2002 13:56 (twenty-three years ago)

That probably is the most horrible thing imaginable.

Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 11 October 2002 13:57 (twenty-three years ago)

tequila-soaked

harrowing lyrics

barbed wire at the crossroads

wracked guitars

last chance saloon

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 11 October 2002 14:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Neil Young?

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 11 October 2002 14:01 (twenty-three years ago)

-lyrics that sound like they were lifted from the script of American Pie

-unimaginative and vaguely "hip-hop" 4/4 beat (read: gratuitously watered-down "Funky Drummer")

-a smug, glib quality to the singer's voice (only irksome if the lyrics are stupid)

-a band/artist with musical limitations that doesn't TRANSCEND those limitations or do something creative with what little skill is present

-the feeling that they're "trying too hard" in some ways (like impressing dumbass college kids), but not trying hard enough in other, more important ways.

Jody Beth Rosen, Friday, 11 October 2002 14:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Q for Tom: are we *supposed* to have a band in mind?

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 11 October 2002 14:03 (twenty-three years ago)

Marcello's post reads like an Allan Jones review?

stevo (stevo), Friday, 11 October 2002 14:03 (twenty-three years ago)

A for Nick: no not really unless there is one particular band which sums it all up perfectly.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 11 October 2002 14:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Tom's description made me think immediately of Beck.

o. nate (onate), Friday, 11 October 2002 14:13 (twenty-three years ago)

I do believe Jody just described G. Love and Special Sauce. And I completely agree with Tom's description, only it would be designed by robots to specifically entertain me. Go figure. My turn!

Rock:
-Vaguely right-wing macho-guy lyrical histrionics
-Guitar solos that sound emotionless and uber-technical -- or, if they do express some sort of emotion or attitude, it is one of lunkheaded dong-waving
-A lead singer that sounds like a mentally deficient, higher-pitched version of Lemmy

Rap:
-Beats that are easy cops of well-known soul or funk tunes that have already been sampled by better songs ten-fifteen years previous
-"Throw your hands in the air and wave them like you just don't care"
-Hate-whitey/anti-semitic lyrics and ridiculous conspiracy theories
-More than three references to status items most people can't afford
-Gratuitous rock star cameos
-Gratuitous rock song covers
-Uninteresting rhymes

Nate Patrin, Friday, 11 October 2002 14:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Out of tune male singer.
Lyrics that compare his personal pain with natural forces, planets or obscure movies.
'Atmospheric' strings.
The last bar has all the music cut out except for the singer breathily intoning something 'profound'.
Big slabs of computer-gone-wrong fuzz dropped in arrythmically in an attempt to be funky.
That annoying plonky disco bassline that all vocal US house between 92-94 seemed to use.
Drums played with those sappy little jazz brushes.

Jacob, Friday, 11 October 2002 14:45 (twenty-three years ago)

In hip-hop, the grunts and "uh, yeahs" that signify the rapper is standing there waiting to be told to come in. There's a Hecht's commercial on TV currently ("What you wanna be") that sums it up totally, in fact. Who is that, anyway? Gratuitously, there's not a single person of non-Caucasian color to be seen throughout the advert: who's the target audience for this idiocy? Models, I guess, but I don't get it.

matt riedl (veal), Friday, 11 October 2002 14:47 (twenty-three years ago)

-Loud drums beating slow tribal rhythms in unusualtime signatures
-Menacing bass pounding ominous low-frequency assaults
-Heavily reverbed electronic whirrs proliferating in background
-Messy, fractured guitar bangs out dissonant wails
-Singer quietly murmuring of impending apocalypse

Rahul Kamath (Rahul Kamath), Friday, 11 October 2002 15:09 (twenty-three years ago)

nate is obviously describing jimmy buffett, as is marcello.

jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 11 October 2002 15:11 (twenty-three years ago)

and Rahul is talking about experimental horse music!! he must be a Meatl-head

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 11 October 2002 15:18 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't want to start 'cause i'll nevah stop.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 11 October 2002 17:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Wait...Jimmy Buffett raps?

Matt C., Friday, 11 October 2002 17:06 (twenty-three years ago)

- White buys trying to sound like Aretha Franklin or Ray Charles.
- Black rappers who think singing about money is going to give me a hardon.
- Country singers from Maine with obviously phony Tennessee Accents.
- And here's a sequence of steps for how to deserve summary execution...
Step 1: Grab a tired, cliche catchphrase out of a harelquin romance novel.
Step 2: Make a chorus that is just this phrase repeated 5 times.
Step 3: Make an entire song thats essentially this chorus sung 10 times.
Step 4: Make an entire album of 10 songs just like this.
Step 5: Make an entire career out of making albums like this.
Step 6: Win a Grammy for Best New Artist.
Step 7: Die a horrible, painful death at the height of your misbegotten fame, thus guaranteeing that young'uns will pine over you forever.

Lord Custos Alpha (Lord Custos Alpha), Friday, 11 October 2002 17:10 (twenty-three years ago)

band = 50% clash, 50% husker du

filter disco loops prominent in the mix

vocalist => BBBY GLLSP

N0RM4N PH4Y, Friday, 11 October 2002 17:54 (twenty-three years ago)

filter sweeped loops must go, norm!
mine would be Godspeed You Black Emperor w/ lead singer of Glassjaw.

chaki (chaki), Friday, 11 October 2002 18:13 (twenty-three years ago)

synthesized bells +
melisma
breaks into shuffly snare rhythm with
ethereal "Enyesque" wandering
---
and rereleased 30 years later as a duet with Natalie Cole.

dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 11 October 2002 18:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Jacob is referring to the Flaming Lips, no?

Paul Eater (eater), Friday, 11 October 2002 19:51 (twenty-three years ago)

* slightly unsteady midtempo rock dummer who occasionally throws in stiffly 'funky' fill

* mumbly nasal male singer who occasionally tries to get out a pathetic attempt at screaming (to signify WHEN HE REALLY MEANS IT)

* lyrics that never stray from that fuzzy song logic where everything is vague but incredibly important and are almost exclusively monosyllabic with the token painful vocabulary word thrown in to demonstrate 'intelligence'

* any token female (esp. bassist) who can't play for shit and is clearly in the band mostly due to looks and/or relationship with key member of group (usually the mumbly boy up front) (although i hesitate with that one because a lot of my favorite bands have the token girl bassist but eh)

* an overabundance of "sections" in the songs, with parts that appear where a chorus would, but are merely repetitive with no real hooks

* dipping into the 'electronic thing' with squelchy background noises that contribute nothing to the songs

* rapping in thick metaphors that go nowhere

* smirky tongue-in-cheek appropriation of rap lingo in a deadpan whiteboy delivery


Al (sitcom), Friday, 11 October 2002 20:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Thankfully (?), I think my dislikes are too eclectic to be combined into one hellspawn...unless you guys know any Rock bands that sound noisy for the sake of noisyness as well as writing hooky little Pop songs without any real substance....or Inteligent Trance Music...

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 11 October 2002 22:32 (twenty-three years ago)

making punk - rock and mixing it with the hip - hop.

brian badword (badwords), Friday, 11 October 2002 22:56 (twenty-three years ago)

many of these specs are far too value-laden for robots to be able to design the songs. I like tom's because it's so light.

Josh (Josh), Saturday, 12 October 2002 03:26 (twenty-two years ago)

but I kind of like the new Wilco!!

Out of tune male singer.
Lyrics that compare his personal pain with natural forces, planets or obscure movies.
'Atmospheric' strings.
The last bar has all the music cut out except for the singer breathily intoning something 'profound'.
Big slabs of computer-gone-wrong fuzz dropped in arrythmically in an attempt to be funky.
That annoying plonky disco bassline that all vocal US house between 92-94 seemed to use.
Drums played with those sappy little jazz brushes.

Aaron A., Saturday, 12 October 2002 03:39 (twenty-two years ago)

- creatively misspelled title
- trendy sound effects
- overly predictable lyrics or song structure
- humourless without being serious
- "showcased" vocals
- *offensive subject material
- media supersaturation

*note - differs from attention getting or challenging subject material which would be on my opposite list.

Kim (Kim), Saturday, 12 October 2002 04:06 (twenty-two years ago)

It would be interesting if you could find an artist the person actually likes who fits his description.

Soft, breathy, thin, weakly supported, and off-key vocals performed by a mumbly, whispery male voice and a squeaky, girlish female voice.

Tempo between 50 and 90 beats per minute.

Earnest gushy romantic lyrics.

Drums in 4/4 played quietly and only on the beat using brushes.

Rahul's anti-music sounds like it could be good.

sundar subramanian, Saturday, 12 October 2002 04:12 (twenty-two years ago)

- vague politicism
- pop culture references made by old people trying to crossover to a young audience
- noodling on guitar with no destination
- "world music" influences added by ageing hippies

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Saturday, 12 October 2002 04:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I agree with Rahul... Tool is shite.

GHC, Saturday, 12 October 2002 04:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I forgot the country-derived melodies.

sundar subramanian, Saturday, 12 October 2002 04:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Bobby Gillespie
+
the kind of shit music that Bobby Gillespie likes
=
a band specifically made to make me hate it.

DavidM (DavidM), Saturday, 12 October 2002 10:00 (twenty-two years ago)

-"funky" basslines, preferably popped or played with thumbs
-shouting singers, especially male ones
-deliberately offensive or political lyrics
-white boys attempting "urban" flavah
-anything to do with LA or California
-female singer chick there for no other reason than to show tits and provide "soul"

You know, reading that, I think I'm describing RHCP or RATM, but then again, take out the LA references, and it could be Primal Scream, who are one of my favourite bands on earth. So go figure.

kate, Saturday, 12 October 2002 11:12 (twenty-two years ago)

the kind of shit music that Bobby Gillespie likes

That'd be all recorded music since the early 1900's, then...

Daniel_Rf, Saturday, 12 October 2002 12:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Kim hates U2!

jel -- (jel), Saturday, 12 October 2002 14:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I DO hate some U2... it wasn't what I had in mind, but maybe you're on to something there. Funny - I still like Split Enz quite a bit, and they REALLY conflict with parts of my list!

Kim (Kim), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 03:24 (twenty-two years ago)

SAMPLE ONE:

Vedder voice.

Barre chord strumming with alternating clean and distorted tones (and no others used).

Drummer who really sweats, maaaaan, and dons a backwards ball cap.

Vocalist quite fond of the "rough-voice" pedal or whatever you call that thing that sounds like a low-quality megaphone.

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Norman's robot band sounds amazing!


Clarke B., Tuesday, 15 October 2002 03:45 (twenty-two years ago)

unless you guys know any Rock bands that sound noisy for the sake of noisyness as well as writing hooky little Pop songs without any real substance

That would be Blur, n'est-ce pas?

Charlie (Charlie), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 05:35 (twenty-two years ago)

clark - creed was designed by a robot actually!

my go:
- fake scratching
- lyrics about having fun and love (bubble gum love, not the painful type) with bad rhyming
- gratuitous solo (with any instrument - bass would be the worst)
- really bland drum machine driven r n' b beat with infant sounds incorporated into it

dyson (dyson), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 06:42 (twenty-two years ago)

twelve years pass...

Wanting to escape the stress of a failing relationship, the launch of his second novel and the noise of city life, cantankerous and self-absorbed writer Philip (Schwartzman) jumps at the chance to spend the summer at the country home of his literary idol, Ike (Pryce). But as the two men bond, tensions begin to emerge, in no small part due to the arrival of Ike’s beautiful and bitter daughter Melanie (Ritter).

Combining the acid sense of humour of a Noah Baumbach movie with the freewheeling handheld filmmaking style of Joe Swanberg and the mumblecore set, the film is hilarious US indie heaven, bringing wit and gravitas to a story about unlikeable people behaving appallingly.

transparent play for gifs (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 14 July 2015 16:04 (ten years ago)

Elizabeth Moss weirdly absent from that synopsis. Also, good movie!

the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Tuesday, 14 July 2015 16:19 (ten years ago)

ffs

transparent play for gifs (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 14 July 2015 16:22 (ten years ago)

I say this as someone w/ no tolerance for recent Baumbach / MOR indie Americana film bullshit.

the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Tuesday, 14 July 2015 16:30 (ten years ago)

the Moss-centric slice of about 10-15 minutes is very good, kinda hated the rest.

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 July 2015 16:33 (ten years ago)

i appreciate the info but this isn't really about the movie it's about the blurb

transparent play for gifs (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 14 July 2015 16:42 (ten years ago)

hey, sell to the buyers.

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 July 2015 16:43 (ten years ago)

It sounds fucking horrible but it is actually quite an enjoyable movie.

xelab, Tuesday, 14 July 2015 16:50 (ten years ago)

three years pass...

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illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 7 March 2019 10:42 (six years ago)


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