Blu-Ray Music Players - Will anyone be interested in this?

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Record companies are trying to tempt fans away from MP3s by releasing albums in a crystal-clear Blu-Ray format.

Nirvana's Nevermind and Amy Winehouse's Back To Black will be among the first records to be released in the format, which comes to the UK this month.

Listeners will need a Blu-Ray player and a stereo system to play the discs, which promise to deliver "the sound as it was intended by the artist".

However, high-fidelity audio products have failed to catch on in the past.

DVD-Audio and Super Audio CD (SACD), both of which launched in the early 2000s, delivered better quality sound than ordinary CDs but faltered in the marketplace.

The new format, officially called Pure Audio, uses similar encoding techniques to those predecessors but, crucially, has the support of all the major record labels from the outset.

Pioneered by Universal Music, it launched in France earlier this year, where the initial batch of 35 titles have already achieved sales of more than 500,000.

One album, Marlene Farmer's Monkey Me, has sold 84,000 copies on Blu-Ray alone - which would be enough to ensure a top 10 placing in the UK charts.

The BBC was given several tracks to audition, comparing them directly to the equivalent songs on CD and MP3 through a home stereo system.

Stevie Wonder's I Wish opened up, with a rounder, fuller bass and the intricate hi-hat work sounding crisp and bright.

Bob Marley's Is This Love sounded more spacious than the muddy MP3, with Marley's soulful vocals so clear he could almost have been in the room.

The clarity wasn't always an advantage, however: Serge Gainsbourg's spittle-flecked come-ons in L'hotel Particulier sounded doubly creepy in full resolution.

But despite the improvement in clarity, the question remains: Will fans accept the format?

Although they are lower quality than a CD, the portability of MP3s and Apple's iTunes format proved more alluring to consumers than either SACD or DVD-Audio, which are no longer manufactured in any great number.

How it works

Ordinary CDs take a "snapshot" of a piece of music 44,100 times every second (known as a sample rate of 44.1kHz).

Each snapshot is captured to a certain degree of accuracy - there are 16 digital "bits" per sample, giving a range of 65,536 possible values.

Most of the albums released in the new Blu-Ray audio format are sampled at 96kHz (96,000 snapshots per second) at 24-bit resolution (giving 16,777,216 possible values).

Universal Music says the format allows users to hear "the full richness and depth of an artist's vision".

Niche audience

"It's all about timing," said Olivier Robert Murphy, global head of new business at Universal.

"When SACD launched it was supported by only part of the industry, and you had to buy a 1,000 euro (£842) player. Here, we have 33% of the population that already has a Blu-Ray player at home."

"The magic of this format is that you buy a £60 player, you put the disc in, you play it through a basic stereo sound system - the sound is incredible."

Warner Music and Sony have already released albums on Blu-Ray in France and Japan, while Universal plans to issue 200 albums in 14 countries "very quickly".

At launch, the UK catalogue will contain albums such as The Velvet Underground and Nico's self-titled debut, Queen's A Night At The Opera and Marvin Gaye's What's Going On?

Classical releases include the Berlin Philharmonic's interpretation of Mahler's Symphony No.5 and Rolando Vilazon's collection of Verdi's works for the tenor.

Murphy acknowledged the selection relied heavily on heritage acts.

"It's not necessarily a strategy," he told the BBC, "but what we realised is that initially we're talking to specialists, we're talking to a niche".

"I'm talking about the guy who spent 40 grand on his hi-fi system. Let's face it, this guy is probably 35-plus, and likes heritage artists."

However, Murphy said the long-term goal was to release new albums in the format, too.

"For me, it could represent a very nice percentage of physical sales," he said.

"When I see that we're selling more vinyl now than in 2002, I know there is an appetite for this kind of music."

But, in an admission of modern listening habits, albums purchased in the Blu-Ray format will come with a free copy of the lower-quality digital version.

"Blu-Ray is a copy-protected format," said Murphy. "If someone has spent £15 on a product, he should have the right to put it on their iPod and listen to it when he's doing his fitness programme."

Eventually, the Pure Audio files could be distributed digitally themselves - but with a four-minute song needing 1GB of storage space, Murphy said it would be "three to four years" before that was a reality.

This wont take off will it?

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 16:36 (eleven years ago)

No.

Eyeball Kicks, Tuesday, 8 October 2013 16:37 (eleven years ago)

Nirvana's Nevermind and Amy Winehouse's Back To Black will be among the first records to be released in the format, which comes to the UK this month.

Listeners will need a Blu-Ray player and a stereo system to play the discs, which promise to deliver "the sound as it was intended by the artist".

two deas artists are exactly the right choice to be making intentionality claims for

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 8 October 2013 16:38 (eleven years ago)

DEAD

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 8 October 2013 16:38 (eleven years ago)

I know yer ordinary movie fans like blu-ray but i cant imagine the same of music fans

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 16:39 (eleven years ago)

Will it play PONO?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 8 October 2013 16:39 (eleven years ago)

"The magic of this format is that you buy a £60 player, you put the disc in, you play it through a basic stereo sound system - the sound is incredible."

Aargh.

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 8 October 2013 16:43 (eleven years ago)

ugh, "heritage artists"

gotta lol geir (NickB), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 16:43 (eleven years ago)

why are they trying to make things?

how's life, Tuesday, 8 October 2013 16:44 (eleven years ago)

I know yer ordinary movie fans like blu-ray but i cant imagine the same of music fans

Yeah. With Blu-ray movies, the difference in the picture quality compared to earlier formats is so big anyone with proper vision can see it. With music, CDs already give you such detailed sound that I doubt anyone except maybe the keenest of audiophiles can hear "more" in the Blu-ray disc. The limits of human perception mean you can't just infinitely make the sound more and more accurate and think the music will sound better and better to the listener.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 8 October 2013 16:55 (eleven years ago)

Came to do what Jonesy did.

they all are afflicted with a sickness of existence (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 17:17 (eleven years ago)

I only listen to the final playback of a master at the end of a mastering session, in a mastering studio, with the mastering engineer. Any other format or experience of listening to music is fundamentally incorrect and insulting to the very idea of sound.

hopping and bopping to the krokodil rot (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 17:22 (eleven years ago)

Better doesn't necessarily always mean more detailed... That said, people that think this way and care this much about amazing sound are more often than not vinyl devotees and probably not interested in increasingly high-tech digital playback media. So yeah, I don't think this is really going to take off.

Clarke B., Tuesday, 8 October 2013 17:23 (eleven years ago)

(xp) i only listen to a musicians' idea for a song as soon as the idea occurs to him. if I wait too long to get his explanation, something is usually lost. if i have to wait till he actually records it, forget it.

open letter to an open letter to a fanzine (fact checking cuz), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 17:28 (eleven years ago)

Vinyl fetishists are not real audiophiles.

they all are afflicted with a sickness of existence (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 17:57 (eleven years ago)

Agreed! But "real audiophiles" are an even smaller fraction of a fraction of music consumers, which bodes even more poorly for the chances of this product...

Clarke B., Tuesday, 8 October 2013 17:59 (eleven years ago)

I have lots of vinyl but don't necessarily consider myself a fetishist. It's just what I've been collecting for a long time (and it used to be dirt cheap, used at least). I do often prefer the way it sounds to CD, but that has a lot to do with the era of recording, manner of recording, manner of mastering, probability that I will fall asleep during the recording, etc.

Clarke B., Tuesday, 8 October 2013 18:01 (eleven years ago)

haha nick cant help himself having a go at vinyl or fans of vinyl.

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 18:41 (eleven years ago)

Will it sound even betterer with all new and improved platinum coated Monster cables?

StanM, Tuesday, 8 October 2013 20:55 (eleven years ago)

Marlene Farmer's Monkey Me

Just the biggest pop star in France, no need to get her name right.

Mylene has a hardcore of fans who will buy literally everything so I'm not sure 84,000 copies means too much.

Inte Regina Lund eller nån, mitt namn är (ShariVari), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 21:21 (eleven years ago)

Steven Wilson did his last album in Blu-Ray. It sounds great, certainly better than the CD, but do I think this needs to be a standard? no.

akm, Tuesday, 8 October 2013 21:24 (eleven years ago)

I remember reading a funny review a few years ago pointing out that Sony sells "audiophile" SACD players like this:
http://store.sony.com/p/SCD-XA5400ES/en/p/SCDXA5400ES

While they also made Blu-Ray ones like this that... play SACD:
http://store.sony.com/p/BDP-S380/en/p/BDPS380#specifications

the latter will also play this mysterious blu-ray audio disc!

It looks like the newest ones do, too. Which is funny, because for a while they kept cutting SACD support out of lower-end products and saving it for supposedly high-end ones. The first generation of the Playstation 3 could play SACD but not the newer ones.

beautifully, unapologetically plastic (mh), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 22:24 (eleven years ago)

jfc, I clicked on this thinking it was going to be a 10 year old thread that was revived for some weird reason.

wk, Tuesday, 8 October 2013 23:04 (eleven years ago)

sure, why not? i'd get one of these over a cd, if i had a choice. can't stop progress.

Thus Sang Freud, Wednesday, 9 October 2013 00:21 (eleven years ago)

the only place I listen to compact discs is in the car, and that's because I'm too lazy to have upgraded a way to connect my phone/iPod

I guess if the blu-ray comes with a digital download that'd be cool

beautifully, unapologetically plastic (mh), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 00:25 (eleven years ago)

there have already been a bunch of these released. so somebody basically just did good work with their press release. anyway bluray audio is indeed incredible, but that news is years old.

Jamie_ATP, Thursday, 10 October 2013 21:19 (eleven years ago)

by mistake, bought a sacd disc today for £1.
none of my disc spinners will recognise it ..
and that includes a brand new sony vaio laptop.
fuck it.
i'm going back to my tdk c90s.

mark e, Thursday, 10 October 2013 21:29 (eleven years ago)

weird shit, I thought they were all backward compatible

beautifully, unapologetically plastic (mh), Thursday, 10 October 2013 21:32 (eleven years ago)

nope.
me too.
format wars. who needs them.

mark e, Thursday, 10 October 2013 21:37 (eleven years ago)

I bought a cheap box set of RSO's Beethoven symphonies on SACD, and they play totally fine on my regular CD player. I think there are two types of SACDs, ones that are backward compatible and ones that aren't. The compatible ones are called "hybrid", or something like that.

Tuomas, Friday, 11 October 2013 05:52 (eleven years ago)

Some sacds were dual layer, hence why some play in normal CD players. I think early ps3s could play then as well before Sony hobbled it in later versions.

he had tons of money in the bank and left the toilet seat up (NotEnough), Friday, 11 October 2013 06:29 (eleven years ago)

Still not massively convinced by 24bit recordings. I've tried ABing a 24bit and a 16bit recording of the same record and these cloth ears couldn't distinguish between the two. Maybe my rig isn't sufficiently swanky for it, but I guess it's not for the likes of me.

Isn't there a new 300gb disc coming out in 2015 with even more super duper sound and audio on it? STOP INVENTING NEW THNGS!

he had tons of money in the bank and left the toilet seat up (NotEnough), Friday, 11 October 2013 06:34 (eleven years ago)

Rather than rebuy every CD in your collection, you could just get a better CD player, amplifier, and speakers, for considerably less money. New formats seem, to me, pretty pointless, because people very rarely get the best out of old ones.

they all are afflicted with a sickness of existence (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 11 October 2013 07:51 (eleven years ago)

Picked up the full Can discography in SACD hybrids when they were under £5 in Fopp.
play them fine on my OG PS3. Sound amazing on my Grado headphones.

might buy a Blu-ray album to see what the fuss is about, but if you cant rip them to use them on portable devices, and you need to download a .mp3 version that comes with it, you can just download the HD file anyway for many things.

This is fixing a problem than does not need to be fixed.

unless desperately needing to keep physical media going is a problem that needs to be fixed.

my opinionation (Hamildan), Friday, 11 October 2013 13:21 (eleven years ago)

I have the suspicion that they are rippable

beautifully, unapologetically plastic (mh), Friday, 11 October 2013 13:41 (eleven years ago)

This is fixing a problem than does not need to be fixed.

Precisely. About as useful as the CueCat, my go-to example for this sort of thing:
http://www.azalea.com/cuecat/CueCat.jpg

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 11 October 2013 14:06 (eleven years ago)

Rather than rebuy every CD in your collection, you could just get a better CD player, amplifier, and speakers, for considerably less money. New formats seem, to me, pretty pointless, because people very rarely get the best out of old ones.

― they all are afflicted with a sickness of existence (Scik Mouthy), Friday, October 11, 2013 3:51 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

OTM hard. (I'd also argue that this applies to vinyl as well, which as you rightly criticize people champion as some sort of platonic ideal but often don't know how to properly align a cartridge or select a cartridge that has good synergy with their amp/speakers or whatever.)

Clarke B., Friday, 11 October 2013 14:50 (eleven years ago)

CDs were a pretty great format in retrospect.

idembanana (abanana), Friday, 11 October 2013 14:59 (eleven years ago)

They still are!

they all are afflicted with a sickness of existence (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 11 October 2013 15:01 (eleven years ago)

Also, from an ethical standpoint, I think it's a better thing to do to spend your money with a few independent, quality-minded manufacturers and vendors of audio equipment (an ailing field) and upgrade your components and speakers, rather than to just keep buying new formats and pumping more money into the major record companies (I have less sympathy for their ailments). Sick is totally right that a few little upgrades can make a huge difference, and that your CDs are more than "good enough" to give you lots of audio pleasure. Granted, there are lots of people here (and everywhere) that seem to scoff at any acknowledgment that audio quality matters. I've personally never understood what's so controversial about the notion that better equipment can enhance the enjoyment of music, but there's a huge gulf between spending a little money on some upgrades and obsessing about direct comparisons of $1000/yard speaker wire.

Clarke B., Friday, 11 October 2013 15:38 (eleven years ago)

i'm with sick.
cds are perfectly good.
as i agree, if i need better sound, its not the format that limits the experience, its the hardware.
(hence why i signed up to the richer sounds mailing list .. to tempt and tease me to upgrade .. )
also, the sacd i got has a notice that it will not play on cd players.
of course, this was hidden under the £1 sale sticker.

mark e, Friday, 11 October 2013 15:44 (eleven years ago)

tricky

beautifully, unapologetically plastic (mh), Friday, 11 October 2013 15:52 (eleven years ago)

what is it (your sacd that will not play)?

akm, Friday, 11 October 2013 19:48 (eleven years ago)

also, fwiw, some sacds go for huge amounts of money on ebay. I just sold my two talk talk sacds for $125 a pop, which was still actually about half of what they were going for before the vinyl/dvds came out last year (the dvds sound just as good). the peter gabriel sacds go for over a $100 often.

akm, Friday, 11 October 2013 19:49 (eleven years ago)

what is it (your sacd that will not play)?

tony bennet - playing with my friends.

was really wanting to hear it as well ..
doubt its of value ..
oh hang on ..
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Playing-With-Friends-Tony-Bennett/dp/B00007DXT3
worth more than £1 then ..
well i never ..

mark e, Friday, 11 October 2013 19:57 (eleven years ago)

assuming someone actually buys it

beautifully, unapologetically plastic (mh), Friday, 11 October 2013 19:58 (eleven years ago)

yup.
going to hang onto it ..
just cos ..

mark e, Friday, 11 October 2013 20:01 (eleven years ago)


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