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how can intelligent humans achieve happiness in a hypermediated and hypersexualised environment which shows every sign of worsening?

maura, Wednesday, 29 November 2000 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hmmm! This is a pretty strange question, what brought it up? Anyhow, I have no idea, you'd be asking the wrong person if you asked clearly miserable and bitter me, but you're not asking me, you're asking a big general audience so let's see...Prolly because most human beings just don't notice it. They're used to it, it's just their way of life. It's like looking at people in other completely foreign cultures and wondering how any of them can be happy compared to us, in our culture. It's what they're used to: if you don't know any different, then you don't know anything else to compare it to. It's your life and you've been living it for however many years you've been on Earth, and if it's the only life you have then you get accustomed to the things that are part of your life.

It worsens too gradually to get noticed as worsening, though everyone says it. What exactly did you mean by hypermediated and hypersexualized? Some issues of what I think you mean haven't gotten any worse at all, just more public.

Ally, Wednesday, 29 November 2000 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Not to be overly clever, but through enjoyment of mediation and sex.

Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 29 November 2000 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

By finding other intelligent humans and being nice to them, I think.

Tom, Wednesday, 29 November 2000 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

That, my friend, is a capital idea. I'm not even bothered by how simple it sounds.

Josh, Wednesday, 29 November 2000 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Human can adapt to their enviroment awfully well. Especially when it's hypersexualised.

Phil Paterson, Wednesday, 29 November 2000 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Concentrate more on the "human" and less on the "intelligent". Peasy.

Where is this hypersexualised environment then? Is there a bus?

MJ Hibbett, Thursday, 30 November 2000 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Regular masturbation for men and women. (Three times a day recommended dose.) An excellent way to (a) make time for yourself (b) purge some of the more lurid stuff clogging up your head (allow yourself to interact with colleagues without staring at inappropriate areas) (c) take possession of your environment (toilet at work, shower cubicle, whatever) (d) release endorphins into the bloodstream. Chemical happiness still can't be beat.

alex thomson, Thursday, 30 November 2000 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I've often asked myself that question. I've often despaired of the world. Like Tom, I've found intelligent people who make it much easier.

But I would recommend that you visit http://www.commonground.org.uk, and apply its principles to your own life, wherever you are. In time, you will feel much better about yourself and the world. Who knows, it might even work on Tim Hopkins :).

The Talkative River, Friday, 1 December 2000 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

They carnt. Sorry Maura, I've got a degree in Maths and Philosophy and I can prove it using graphs and Kant's corpse.

However a fair simulcra of happiness can be reached via alcohol and the company of unlikeminded people. A pub crawl is recomended.

Pete, Wednesday, 6 December 2000 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Erm, in a word: "NO".

But then again, who wants to be happy? Some might even say that the state of happiness is genuinely evolutionarily counter-productive, and Survival of the Fittest programs humans for unhappiness, no matter what the environment.

Think about it- happy people tend to sit around under trees all day, banging on about their particular brand of enlightenment. Unhappy people tend to try and fill their heads up with lots of promiscuous sex- thus propegating their depressive gene pool- and then they start wars, which stimulates the economy, and start tinkering around with technology, and make inventions which are supposed to make their lives easier but only make them unhappier, and then turn to god and invent religions (more wars, more economy) or else create works of art, and write novels and symphonies and paint pictures about their unhappiness... and before you know it, you've got an entire civilisation based on the inherant UNHAPPINESS of the human condition. While the Happy Human is still sitting under his tree in India blethering on about enlightenment and being nice to other humans.

So. Maybe I'm a cynic, but that's my take on why humans are so unhappy, despite all the advances of science. It's not that science and progress and art makes us unhappy, but that being unhappy CREATES art and science and progress.

masonic boom, Wednesday, 6 December 2000 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Pete, Pete, Pete. That would have been much better if you'dve said "Jeremy Bentham" instead.

Josh, Wednesday, 6 December 2000 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Pete, you are clearly my absolute mental opposite.

Masonic Boom, you aren't much closer to me. I object strongly to your portrayal of "happiness" in George Harrison terms ...

Robin Carmody, Wednesday, 6 December 2000 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Tim Hopkins, if you're reading this, many apologies for my earlier sarcasm.

I notice that you have written this:

"There's a place for an *inclusive* sense of community of people with a common interest working practically at a local level."

This is an exact description of the Common Ground (especially Confluence) ethos and ideology. It defines their values better than I ever could in one sentence.

Cheers Tim!

Robin Carmody, Wednesday, 6 December 2000 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Pleased though I am that people seem to have liked my suggestion, I feel I ought to credit where it's due and point out that it's merely a development of a proposition put forward by Bill and Ted, i.e. "Be excellent to each other, dude."

Tom, Wednesday, 6 December 2000 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

two weeks pass...
Josh

We don't joke about Jeremy Bentham round where I work. His head keeps getting stolen by Kings College students as a jape. If I even mentioned doing anything with JB's corpse, I would probably lose my job.

I picked Kant because of his amusing name (especially if your tutor was German) and his first name which reminds of a very amusing porn film.

Pete, Thursday, 21 December 2000 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I fail to see how anyone could do anything BUT joke about Jeremy Bentham's head.

Josh, Thursday, 21 December 2000 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

four months pass...
'don't believe the hype'

Ignore the signs, nothing gets worse, we just fail to adapt to it. I was always told that sex/drugs/rock'n'roll(the attitude) were all 'bad' things, that I should stay away from, (my father also told me that anything before Led Zep 4 was bad). This attitude seems to have extended from my childhood into the society I'm part of, it's just a fear of the unknown. I don't believe the future is a wasteland, a void. It may well be according to values we hold now, but I look forward to it's challenges. Chaos, the unknown, offers as many possibilities as it does conclusions, just depends how you take it, 'taste' if you like. Mind you, don't expect a serious answer, to a serious query. But practically, if you can't detach yourself from the world, (I can't, I love data too much), release the aformentioned endorphines, and dance to music that says glib things like -

"Keep it simple, can't you see, only love can set us free"

K-reg, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

MJ Hibbett's response to this thread is my favorite thing anyone has ever posted on this forum.

Patrick, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

two months pass...
Yes.

But it's not easy.

Angels take themselves lightly, and that's why they have wings.

Nick Southall, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The answer is in the question. At least the media-related part. Just ignore the media, get rid of them. Sell your tele, cancel all subscriptions of papers, give your radio away, never go to see movies etc. You will still have enough media around you after that.

So the ideal place for this would be a hut or something in Siberia. This will also cure your urge for sexuality probably.:)

I think Leonard Cohen did something similar recently. He was in a Zen monastery for about five years where he cooked for the chief monk. He came back to civilisation recently. Started smoking again so that his voice went down another octave. Maybe he sings something about this on his new record.

alex in mainhattan, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

four months pass...
Just say fuck it.

Love, Jeff

Jeff Guidry, Wednesday, 21 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

five months pass...
Listen to Pink Floyd.

Anna Rose, Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

how can intelligent humans achieve happiness in a hypermediated and hypersexualised environment which shows every sign of worsening?
Do drugs and/or alcohol.

nathalie, Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

What happens when the previous two answers are combined?

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

college!

jess, Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

and what a bunch of fucking hippies in this thread. sheesh.

jess, Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Angels take themselves lightly, and that's why they have wings. -- Nick Southall (nick@beatbay.co.uk), July 15, 2001.

tell me about it! I am a seraphim cherub now, i hover above and watch the kitten-slaughter below. apparntly i was way way off-base on the whole musick-writing = musick-death thing, as it turns out God (alias Hunter-D) is a bit of an amateur rock critick! you should read His blog, it's all 'ardkore this and d&b that. I keep telling Him He's ten yrs late, but you know God. He never listens. I let all the air out of lester bangs's clowde last nite but we get on grate. that astral weeks thing was a joke btw - he never even owned a copy! They play it incessently up here, it drives Lester up the wall. keep the faith, flowercrushers. gotta go, heaven's interweb connection sucks.

Yves, Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

now, mark, come on.

jess, Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

oddly enuff, that *woin't* me

mark s, Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

You calling ME a fucking hippie? Like God, I'm a few years too late.

Anna Rose, Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

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Create your own environment.

Dave225, Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...
Now, more than ever.

N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 15 January 2004 00:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Angels take themselves lightly and that's why they can fly. Dur me.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 15 January 2004 00:06 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
(i am totally sweating the oldies today)

maura (maura), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 06:09 (twenty years ago)

Diving headfirst into recreational knot-tying! How do you expect to do anything fun without knowing basic knots, I mean come on. ARE YOU MAN OR MOUSE. Honestly, if I needed to bring home a deer on the hood of my car I wouldn't have the first idea how to keep it lashed down.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 23:15 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...
random revival

Aimless (Aimless), Monday, 13 November 2006 20:52 (eighteen years ago)

two months pass...
this thread's still around, eh

maura (maura), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 00:01 (eighteen years ago)

With the exception of a couple of "clever" answers, this is maybe what posters mean when they talk about the more civil "old days" of ILX. I can't imagine this same thread today turning out as it did back then.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 00:04 (eighteen years ago)

"how can intelligent humans achieve happiness in a hypermediated and hypersexualised environment which shows every sign of worsening?"

yes. its worsening.

Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 14:33 (eighteen years ago)

i was a prophet

WHAT HAPPENED

maura (maura), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 15:21 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

Human can adapt to their enviroment awfully well. Especially when it's hypersexualised.

-- Phil Paterson, Tuesday, November 28, 2000 8:00 PM (7 years ago) Bookmark Link

holy shit

and what, Thursday, 14 February 2008 03:08 (seventeen years ago)

pato: the OG mong

electricsound, Thursday, 14 February 2008 03:11 (seventeen years ago)

four years pass...

not gonna lie i think about this question once a week, in increasingly serious fashion

maura, Friday, 13 July 2012 22:42 (thirteen years ago)

hi everybody

maura, Friday, 13 July 2012 22:42 (thirteen years ago)

Hi there!

And you were all too correct with the premise of the question.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 13 July 2012 22:56 (thirteen years ago)

MAURA JOHNSTON, FUTURIST

maura, Sunday, 15 July 2012 18:07 (thirteen years ago)

yah this was a "topic" over a drink last night. it moved on to a conversation about all the teenagers and early-20s we knew and how cool and awesome and well-adjusted they seemed to be.

Ówen P., Sunday, 15 July 2012 19:02 (thirteen years ago)

amazing how this question is twelve years old! i thought it had to be current...i wonder if they were saying the same thing in 1924, 1969, 1984, etc

Iago Galdston, Sunday, 15 July 2012 19:16 (thirteen years ago)

one year passes...

twas ever thus amirite

maura, Thursday, 5 December 2013 18:54 (eleven years ago)

i love leggings

I was a teenage oenophile (rip van wanko), Thursday, 5 December 2013 18:59 (eleven years ago)

such a thin amount of mediation, such a profound degree of hypersexualization

j., Thursday, 5 December 2013 19:08 (eleven years ago)

IIRC some of the ancient Roman writers were already complaining about this (Juvenal, maybe? - Overmediation, don't know about that, though. Did he write about Nuntius Vulpes?)

StanM, Thursday, 5 December 2013 19:11 (eleven years ago)

(ok ok, I'm sorry - that's my attempt at a Latin translation for "Fox News")

StanM, Thursday, 5 December 2013 19:12 (eleven years ago)

two years pass...

we missed the 15 year anniversary of this thread

maura, Thursday, 10 March 2016 23:35 (nine years ago)

but seriously, how

dc, Thursday, 10 March 2016 23:39 (nine years ago)

i mean, if i knew i'd tell you

maura, Friday, 11 March 2016 14:35 (nine years ago)

four years pass...

cant believe i missed the 20th anniversary of this thread

anyway:

https://local.theonion.com/something-about-the-way-society-was-exposed-as-complete-1846251067

maura, Tuesday, 16 February 2021 19:20 (four years ago)

Too right.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 16 February 2021 19:22 (four years ago)

i really like that blog post but it doesnt make much sense for where it was published

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 20:10 (four years ago)

Wow, Maura really called this one

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 17 February 2021 17:40 (four years ago)


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