SINS OF THE FATHER

Joy Division is responsible for goth.

Are The Beatles responsible for Oasis?

Velvet Underground are responsible for The Jesus & Mary Chain (is it a sin? for you to decide) who in turn are responsible for Black Rebel Motorcycle Club.

Kraftwerk is responsible for techno. But who was responsible for Kraftwerk in the first place?

Rastamen are responsible for hip-hop.

''Minor Threat and Hüsker Dü are responsible for emo''

I am a husker du fan but they were responsible for it. you can't help what you give birth to unfortunately.

Joy Division were responsible for post-punk and a million raincoat bands.

Bauhaus was responsible for goth. Lets place the blame where it belongs.

I hope this display of my "vast" knowledge does not offend Julio's sensibilities.

Stockhausen, John Cage and Mr Roland responsible for Kraftwerk?

Hank Marvin resposible for hip hop

Brian Wilson was responsible for just as much bad prog as the Beatles. I like prog, and I like some of the Beatles' and Beach Boys' singles, but gimme Phil Spector (and the rhythm and blues music that Wilson and George Martin murdered) every time.

Bauhaus was responsible for goth. Lets place the blame where it belongs.
Bauhaus was goth but Joy Division was responsible for it. Unknown Pleasures was recorded before anything by Bauhaus.

Post-punk somehow doesn't seem a style to me. There were so many different things going on there. What do Joy Division, Gang of Four, Magazine, PIL, Talking Heads, U2, Suicide, Wire, The Cure have in common? They arrived on the scene after punk, that's all. Goth BTW is a part of post-punk.

"What do Joy Division, Gang of Four, Magazine, PIL, Talking Heads, U2, Suicide, Wire, The Cure have in common? They arrived on the scene after punk, that's all."

Suicide after Punk? 'come on alex, No more Disco Donuts for you!

Suicide's first album is from 1977, isn't it? They usually get lumped into the post-punk drawer, don't they? That they existed before punk just proofs what a misnomer post-punk really is.

"They usually get lumped into the post-punk drawer"

Yeah, why is that? They are a NYC downtown, Max's, Mercer Arts, Soho art space band....the early to mid '70's scene.

Suicide were "late" so to speak with the release a proper LP. But demo's were circulating very early on which have been released. I think the "Live at Max's" comp is from 1975. There seems to be a review of a performance in Melody Maker (via Punk Diary) on October 19, 1972. {googled}

re: Sins of the Father/Suicide? Oh my, where do we start, Yazoo maybe?

Few decent bands have 'inspired' as much dross as The Buzzcocks > First a host of crap '80s indie bands imitate them, of whom The Wedding Present were only the most conspicuous offenders. Then the Fine Young Cannibals have a huge hit desecrating one of their finest songs. Finally a bloody awful TV Quiz programme gets named after them.

Poor bastards.

If you call Wedding Present a crap '80s indie band, I'll call you a Käskopp, Stefan. In any case I don't really see the connection between the Buzzcocks and the Weddoes.

Well then I'm a Käskopp alex. A brief youthful affection for 'You Can Always Keep in Touch With Your Friends' (you can have my copy if you want) soon curdled into very intense loathing. They came to personify everything I grew to hate about 'indie' music in the 80s; the tone-deaf singing, the self-pitying lyrics, the lack of ambition, the tweeness of it all, so insular, inward looking, grey and dull. To rub it in they seemed to be rewarded every Xmas by half the places on the Peel's Festive Fifty.

I always though the Buzzcocks influence very obvious myself but there you go.

I have to agree to what you wrote about the Weddoes, Stefan, that is exactly why I like them. They loved making rock music, they didn't do it for the money, they did it for the fun.

"Post-punk somehow doesn't seem a style to me. There were so many different things going on there."

*PUNK* wasn't a style. There were so many things going on in there. That's why the media had to create all these additional tags like "New Wave" and "Post Punk" and "Goth" to try and rationalise it and force it into a number of nice neat little boxes so they could market it.

".... just proofs what a misnomer post-punk really is." Amen