Classic or Dud / Search and Destroy: Piano Magic

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Been listening to them a lot recently (going through an unpop phase), so would appreciate thoughts.

I find myself agreeing with Tom that both of us overrated Artists' Rifles, incidentally.

Robin Carmody, Friday, 11 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Damn, Robin. Now you tell me. That's the one I bought. I quite like it -- find the atmospherics a bit much at times though.

Sterling Clover, Friday, 11 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I've only got _Artists' Rifles_ and their Bliss Out album, which probably represent the two poles of their style (songful vs experimental). Both are great, though I rarely listen to them. The fact that I listen to the Bliss Out release as much as Artists' Rifles despite it being just two long songs probably suggests that it's the better release.

Tim, Friday, 11 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Low Birth Weight is such a good album it makes me forgive people who post two threads a day ;)

No, seriously, search "Low Birth Weight", it's an amazing album. The best Autumn album I know, maybe. Very gloomy and fragile if you like that kind of thing, but not compromising on the sonics - they really are carrying the torch for [insert post-rock legends here] on that album.

Destroy - I really was wrong about Artists' Rifles. The music can't survive the concept. It's still not awful though.

Also search the single tracks "Amongst The Books An Angel" and particularly "There's No Need For Us To Be Alone Anymore".

Tom, Saturday, 12 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

search: low birth weight. toms right about the autumnal thing. piano magic ARE november (i suppose november could be winter, but still...). low birth weight is one of the very finest albums i have by anyone.

the bliss out/trick of the sea thing. 2 songs only, but incredibly beautiful.

popular mechanics. more 'experimental' (read clicks & whirrs) than song based, but as wonderful as the others. like being in a decrepid wooden caravan in a lincolnshire copse, um, maybe.

destroy: unfortunately, Artists Rifles. destroy is a bit harsh, its ok (and You & John are Birds is a great song) but so very disappointing in light of previous releases.

all the 7"s are ok, but nothing special. havent heard that amongst the books thing yet though.

i've reviewed most of the above on my site, if anyones bothered

gareth, Saturday, 12 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

oh, and the record sleeves are really something too

gareth, Saturday, 12 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

What about "Wrong French" taken as a single? I love it, but I can understand why it makes people feel, to say the least, queasy.

Robin Carmody, Sunday, 13 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i'd be interested to know of any other people who make records which you think of as comparable to Piano Magic, because they seem a bit of a one off really. somebody mentioned Zoviet France once, but i don't really know who they are...

gareth, Friday, 18 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The one track I've heard from Zoviet France was a really minimal ambient piece, although admiteddly it was on the Isolationism compilation so that might not count.

Piano Magic do occupy a fairly unique position, don't they? Australia's Paradise Motel came quite close at times to a similar place, but not enough that I would group the two together.

Tim, Friday, 18 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

one month passes...
there is a piano magic track that has the same tune as artful dodgers please don't turn me on, but i can't remember what it is, and can't play anything, what with me being stuck here at work.

i just wanted to say how piano magic are the bestest thing ever and shit...

gareth, Thursday, 28 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I once saw Zoviet France do a gig with Evan Parker at some LMC-fest thingy in 96. It was grand, but I never got round to buying any of their stuff, thinking that they'd just dissolve into ambient prettiness without Mr Parker's mad blowing to spur them on.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Thursday, 28 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

three months pass...
*Warning: Ramble Ahead*
I offered up "You and John are Birds" as an example on the "tweeting birds" thread, but I didn't mention that it's also one of the most affecting songs I've heard in a while. If I understand "Artist's Rifles"'s conceit correctly (I've only heard Piano Magic through mp3s), it's an exploration of the human condition circa the first World War. Within this context, I imagine the "You and John" of the title are aquaintances that have been lost in the war. In what had to have been a terrifyingly Godless world, the promise of the 20th Century destroyed, the need to deify the mundane must have seemed essential. The more fantastic the imagery - "you and John are genies" - the more desperate and tragically lost the narrator (s) sounds. Actually, the use of the dual narrator is quite interesting, it's unusual to find such intensely personal imagery shared between singers (the song it most reminds me of in this respect is Low's "Mom Says"). After the last "no words", "You and John" dissolves into pastoral fantasy, a complete lapse into a comforting interior world.
*Ramble complete*.
So, what are PM up to these days? What of the "Son de Mar" soundtrack?

Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Monday, 1 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

You & John are Birds is easily the best track on Artists Rifles, an album which is quite disappointing, although has a couple of good tracks. the narrowing of focus meant the loss of the something special, the *other* that had been present in previous records. perhaps the distillation of their sound into a more structured *band* environment?

Son De Mar, it has to be said, is poor. it is dreary post rock, the only good parts are recycled from their Darla Bliss Out: A Trick of the Sea. lazy, really.

there is a double cd retrospective thing coming out in October, which you can pre-order from rocketgirl, i think this is an odds'n'sods'n'rarities rather than a 'best of'.

i do hope they regain their former brilliance.

gareth, Tuesday, 2 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Although I agree that Low Birth Weight and A Trick Of The Sea are better, I still really like Artists' Rifles. The tracks with female vocals - "A Return To The Sea", "You And John Are Birds", "The Index" and "Century Schoolbook" - represent a pinnacle of something although I'm not quite sure what - they're kind of like fragile but brittle jewels. The album always makes me think of mystical grottos hidden in some yet untouched part of British woodlands.

Tim, Tuesday, 2 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

low birth weight was pretty good. popular mechanics was a bit so-so.

like 'among...(smethign or other)....and russian lathes)

he.....is....industry

ambrose, Tuesday, 2 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

two weeks pass...
so, does anyone have an opinion as to whether or not this new compilation is worth getting?

toby, Friday, 19 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

one month passes...
YES YES YES YES.

i am currently (meaning now right now) writing a review of it that i'll hopefully fire off to ned tonite and if he is feeling benevolent may see fit to publish on FT.

jess, Saturday, 24 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, probably. What's your name again?

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 24 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

duh.

Hootie McBoob, Saturday, 24 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I ain't publishing anyone with THAT sorta name.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 24 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

one month passes...
mark pitchfork, let us know what you think of low birth weight when you buy it.

gareth, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i buy a box set by anyone called hootie mcboob no question. piano magic is bad tinderstix is bad nick cave is bad jonny cash is bad carter family is bad william byrd is bad hildegard de bruno brookes.

XStatic Peace, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

RFD: I'd appreciate some more Classic (and why) or Dud (and why) posts on this thread. Okay, I've got that gareth and Tom and Jess like 'em, but I'm still not really clear on the reasons. And if you can explain PM without resorting to "a kaleidoscope recorder for the blissfully futile task of quoting a dream" type phrases, all the better! ;-)

Jeff W, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think I'd certainly buy anything by Hildegard de Bruno Brookes!

Peter Mills, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Jeff, here's something I wrote on Low Birth Weight for da blog a while ago:

"I'm listening to Piano Magic's Low Birth Weight for the first time, and loving it. Finally having found this elusive release from '99, I reckon it's probably the best of the three albums I have of theirs (the others being '98's Bliss Out release for Darla Records and last year's Artists' Rifles), although all three are so different and so equally charming as to make such distinctions practically meaningless. Low Birth Weight also conforms most closely to what I originally expected of the group: haunting, baroque dreampop somewhat reminiscent of Bark Psychosis and Disco Inferno, weaved from lushly tinkling or droning guitars, stilted rhythms and gloopy lo-fi electronica.

It's actually the type of music I'd originally vaguely intended to write about on Skykicking - whose name is after all based on a song by the stylistically not too dissimilar Insides - only I never find enough of this sort of stuff which appeals to me (suggestions are of course welcome). What most appeals to me with Low Birth Weight is that despite being restlessly experimental, it remains an approachable and curiously emotional record; that's true of all their work I imagine, but the contradiction seems clearest here. They sound little alike, but I find that I like Radiohead's recent output for similar reasons.

Increasingly the strongest point of reference to Piano Magic's magic is the earlier work of The Paradise Motel, an Australian band who quietly and sadly folded last year. On their debut album Still Life and their first few EPs, that marvelous band captured a similar air of near-gothic isolation, both physical and psychological; Emily Bronte seems an apt comparison for both groups. There's also the shared fondness for poetic, theatrical lyrics, the judicious use of electronics (Piano Magic do this slightly better, but then The Paradise Motel compensated by occasionally rocking out in awesome fashion) and the regular sense that the songs are period-pieces, fragile relics from another time, to be preserved under glass and observed rather than to be engaged with. Odd then, that both bands' work is so much more engaging than most other rock music."

(note: last sentence isn't intended as an attack on rock, but merely meant to suggest that Piano Magic are very very good).

Tim, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i'm hurt. i'm hurt in my heart.

okay, classic: updating "post-rock" (whatever it was) for the y2kwhatever. picking up the mantle of disco inferno, bark psychosis etc. and infusing it with olde englishe wonderment (a strain running from lewis carroll to current 93, with all sorts of offshoots someone with more time than i can map out.) they defy easy description because they hover so often (esp. on "trick of the sea" and "low birth weight") just above doing anything much at all. i do agree with tim that the femme vox tracks ("angel pie," "i am the sub- librarian," etc.) are the apex of a certain strain of brit underground music. i had originally thought i overrated artists rifles too, but now i've come around and realized i underrated it if anything.

dud: sometimes that "hovering on the edge of nothingness" bleeds into actual nothingness. the more "experimental electronica" they get (i.e. many of the singles on the comp.) the further my interest drifts. a feeling that they're moving towards something new that's away from me.

still my favorite band of the moment, although i have a feeling that will change as the spring thaw approaches...

jess, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

In some mail truck somewhere is a package addressed to me containing Low Birth Weight (and Kompakt's Pop Ambient 2001) and I'm so looking forward to hearing it.

Mark, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

two months pass...
i just sorta realized today that i seem to be experiencing another mercury rev with piano magic, cf. "moving towards something thats away from me." i hope to god this doesnt mean a pile of shit in the future as godawful as "all is dream."

jess, Sunday, 31 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i know what you mean jess, there is a possibility of this, but artists rifles and son de mar were merely mediocre, while deserters song was the worst album of the 90s

gareth, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

It did come through some time in January, and I really enjoy Low Birth Weight. Makes me hair stand on end. Particuarly like "Snow Drums," but the whole thing works beautifully as an album. What's next?

Mark, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

you have two options, mark.

#1 is the singles comp. which will give you a fairly broad range of "what they do." (early) matmos-esque electronics, more straight forward "rock," post-shoegaze swirl. it's spotty, but ultimately worth the money.

#2 is the bliss out/trick of the sea/halloween boat record. two very long tracks, reminding me, oddly, of a twee this heat.

(#3 is artist rifles which is a "straight" indie record, although not as bad as everyone says.)

jess, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Artist Rifles is more of Durutti-Column-only-rooted-in-1917 record than a 'straight' indie one but otherwise Jess is sur l'argent.

RickyT, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

ricky t is right cf. artist's rifles. i was pressed for time.

new album in april/may!

!!

jess, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I've been listening to them a lot this past week, so here are my favourite Piano Magic songs right now, in some kinda order:

Waking Up
Music for Wasps
I Am The Sub-Librarian
The Fun of the Century
No Closure

Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

www.piano-magic.co.uk sez: "A new Piano Magic album, "Writers Without Homes", will be released on June 10th on 4AD". And they've got some European tour dates up.

Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Friday, 12 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...
What are PM up to these days?

Mary (Mary), Thursday, 21 August 2003 02:04 (twenty-two years ago)

sucking. hard.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 21 August 2003 02:06 (twenty-two years ago)

WWH is in just about every secondhand store in town for $5

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 21 August 2003 02:26 (twenty-two years ago)

the only good song on the album is < 1 minute long

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 21 August 2003 02:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Hootie McBoob

Strongo, this was a wonderful name of yours. :-) And yer article way back when was grate.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 21 August 2003 02:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I really like that "Password" track from Artists' Rifles.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 21 August 2003 03:06 (twenty-two years ago)

i totally overrated artist's rifles. i haven't listened to PM in months, but i guess that's hardly surprising.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 21 August 2003 04:44 (twenty-two years ago)

the more dayglo their record sleeve, the better the songs

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 21 August 2003 04:47 (twenty-two years ago)

i think the worst thing about that review (aside from the occasionally purple prose) was that all my horrible predictions came true.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 21 August 2003 04:51 (twenty-two years ago)

lately, listening to them feels like work.

mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Thursday, 21 August 2003 06:20 (twenty-two years ago)

i doubt i will ever not want to hear the blissout record, but yeah.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 21 August 2003 06:25 (twenty-two years ago)

maybe i should've added that i don't own 'trick of the sea'.

mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Thursday, 21 August 2003 06:30 (twenty-two years ago)

two years pass...
its been a long time since you walked, late at night, to queen's wood

cressida road, N19 (gareth), Saturday, 26 November 2005 18:17 (nineteen years ago)

disaffected is really good, but not as good as the last one; but like every album glen does, there are always two songs that number among the best things he's ever written; this time it's the title track and the final track (you can never get lost). the guy knows how to end a record.

kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 26 November 2005 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

i find it hard to believe how much i used to care about piano magic.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Saturday, 26 November 2005 19:09 (nineteen years ago)

six months pass...
I finally picked up Disaffected, which i wasn't even aware existed until I saw it last year (I had vaguely assumed that they broke up after The Troubled Sleep Of..., which I thought was a good return to form).

I like it. It's very pop though! At times the (non-electronic) songs remind me of The Church almost.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 06:14 (nineteen years ago)

I thought this was a thread where we were supposed to mention the best moments by Jerry Lee Lewis and Keith Emerson.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 08:09 (nineteen years ago)

uh huh

that 4ad album is a blight on their discography. i have time for almost everything else they've done.

electric sound of jim (and why not) (electricsound), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 08:17 (nineteen years ago)

disaffected is v nice

electric sound of jim (and why not) (electricsound), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 08:18 (nineteen years ago)

4AD must be pretty pissed that they had the honour of releasing Piano Magic's 2 weakest records. And then the moment PM left the label it came good again!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 08:21 (nineteen years ago)

haha yeah. i wonder if glen thought a bit too hard about the label's aesthetic and stifled himself in the process

electric sound of jim (and why not) (electricsound), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 08:30 (nineteen years ago)

the title track on the new single 'incurable' (like the title track from the last album, and sung by the same woman) is the most pop thing they've ever done, and is really spectacular. it's on their myspace page now: http://www.myspace.com/lowbirthweight

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

Interesting -- I had essentially written off Piano Magic due to those 4AD releases, so if all is on balance again...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

the main difference b/w troubled sleep/disaffected and the earlier albums (except for maybe artists' rifles) is that they're more of a band effort; there was a solid lineup and almost everyone contributed to the writing, and there's less electronic stuff going on. the church comparison is a good one (for the "rock" songs on disaffected).

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

incurable and disaffected (the songs) together could make a deadly amazing dance single, which is probably the last thing anyone would ever expect from piano magic, but there it is.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

I'm very much enjoying Disaffected (most especially "You Can Never Get Lost (When You've Nowhere To Go)" which is just magical), but getting into it has also made me pull out The Troubled Sleep Of... again and realise just how wonderful that album is, probably on a par with Low Birth Weight.

I think when I first picked it up my enthusiasm was tempered slightly by its seeming conventionality, but the album has the band's best songwriting I suspect - less reliant on their production or the shock of an unexpected voice to render them memorable, and while I like interesting production and unexpected voices it's not the be-all and end-all for this group.

Plus it's a conventionality that suits me perfectly: yeah same old same old post-punk references (Joy Division, Durutti Column, gloomy The Cure, Bark Psychosis, maybe The Triffids?) but its construction is so artful, so stately that it feels like it's picking up on something more archaic, similar to Artists Rifles in that sense but much more understated (no Renaissance folk feeling here).

What it reminds me of most is The Paradise Motel circa Still Life and Please Keep Me Safe - PM likewise created songs which felt (in a sense more thematic than sonic) like they'd been trapped in a glacier and then thawed a century later.

I was interested to note Andy K's comments in his Disaffected review that PM's lyrics are mostly "turgid" (context: he was arguing that Disaffected is an improvement on this score). I guess they are in many ways, again as were The Paradise Motel, but there are phrases which I find quite affecting in their unexpected economy, like in "The Unwritten Law":

"You turn on your side
Like you have to face North
Or else you can't sleep:
the unwritten law"

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 16 June 2006 00:12 (nineteen years ago)

:-) :-) Yes, I must catch up. And I will, as I can!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 16 June 2006 00:14 (nineteen years ago)

me too. i genuinely didn't realise they'd got good again. i used to love them. i even sent a demo of mine to glen johnson. hmm.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Friday, 16 June 2006 10:01 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...
The Incurable EP is very good, especially the spectral "I Have Moved Into The Shadow". "Incurable" itself is shockingly pop, yeah. The "Disaffected"/"Deleted Scenes"/"Incurable" brand of BeMusic revivalism goes very well with all the wintery minimal I've been listening to, I find.

But can someone explain the Open Cast Heart ep to me? I bought it based on Andy K's review on allmusic, but on first listen it seems quite impenetrable, verging on forbidding.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 1 July 2006 07:23 (nineteen years ago)

ten months pass...
New album Part-Monster is very pretty, although not a progression at all. Mostly a lot like The Troubled Sleep of... and the rock sections of Disaffected, only with some more muscular Comsat Angels/Chameleons style guitar-attack on a lot of the tracks, including on a new version of "Incurable" sans New Order keyboards.

Almost no electronics at all, except mildly on "Soldier Song", which sounds like a conscious effort to write a song that would fit on any of the albums they've ever released (and is also amazing).

Funny how after switching up constantly to begin with this group have become so... consistent.

Actually! The style of music this reminds me of is stuff like Whipping Boy and Jack.

Tim F, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 04:54 (eighteen years ago)

I really need to get back in touch with their work. Sounds like they have it again. Meantime, heard the Future Conditional album?

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 05:12 (eighteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

So, am listening to Part-Monster, and conveniently Tim's said it all already. But it is v. good.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 4 June 2007 14:50 (eighteen years ago)

i'm so unconvinced. but that's partly because glen never got back to me when i sent him one of my demos years ago :)

grimly fiendish, Monday, 4 June 2007 14:58 (eighteen years ago)

Jealousy!

Ned Raggett, Monday, 4 June 2007 15:00 (eighteen years ago)

Ned did you ever hear The Troubled Sleep Of...? That's become the Piano Magic album I listen to most.

Tim F, Monday, 4 June 2007 15:07 (eighteen years ago)

Not yet, no -- after everyone and their mother telling me how badly Glen had tanked on 4AD on an artistic level, I really hadn't followed their career much.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 4 June 2007 15:09 (eighteen years ago)

four years pass...

so good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apXqgPKLZkM&noredirect=1

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 7 October 2011 16:20 (fourteen years ago)

eight months pass...

There's a new Piano Magic album. I'm still making up my mind.

djh, Friday, 15 June 2012 21:19 (thirteen years ago)

Eh. I'm pretty sure Glen's lost it tbh.

Turangalila, Friday, 15 June 2012 21:36 (thirteen years ago)

"Not yet, no -- after everyone and their mother telling me how badly Glen had tanked on 4AD on an artistic level, I really hadn't followed their career much."

the 4ad album is good. pretty much all of their albums are good. I'm sure the new one is good.

akm, Saturday, 16 June 2012 00:47 (thirteen years ago)

one year passes...

Loving the two Simon Rivers tracks on Low Birth Weight, which I've returned to after the recent compilation.

(Johnson twittered today about a new band with a less stupid name, by the way).

djh, Tuesday, 10 September 2013 02:52 (twelve years ago)

one month passes...

So ... what did the recent 4AD book say about them?

djh, Thursday, 17 October 2013 20:57 (twelve years ago)

one year passes...

I haven't been up to date with them for years but I just read that last year they announced their final album was estimated for 2016.

I love Low Birth Weight so much, really hope some of their other albums approach that level. Part Monster was really good.

Loved Simon Rivers too. Meant to check out his own band Bitter Springs but never have.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 11 July 2015 23:31 (ten years ago)

Per my comments above, I think The Troubled Sleep of... is the secret gem of their post-2000 work.

Tim F, Saturday, 11 July 2015 23:37 (ten years ago)

Thanks, I'll keep that in mind.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 12 July 2015 00:05 (ten years ago)

I liked Klima too, got her two albums. Liked the first one the best. She has a bunch of other bands too.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 12 July 2015 00:07 (ten years ago)

four weeks pass...

Just listened to The Troubled Sleep Of... again and I am so fucking right about how good it is.

Tim F, Sunday, 9 August 2015 10:49 (ten years ago)

yes it's great.

akm, Sunday, 9 August 2015 15:17 (ten years ago)

Glen has also said every album was their last for the last four records so I'd take the 2016 thing with a grain of salt.

akm, Sunday, 9 August 2015 15:17 (ten years ago)


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