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Tim and Marcello were just discussing them on the Saint Etienne thread. They always seem to get categorized as an indie-jangle also-ran, musically moderate and notable mostly for Malcolm Eden's politics and Tim Gane's presence -- but I think they're much, much better than that. You?

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 14 October 2002 15:08 (twenty-three years ago)

I saw them live in Paris in 1988, presumably with Laetitia in the audience, and they were absolutely excellent. Witty, big tunes, interesting noises (with mere guitars!). A definite C.

Daniel (dancity), Monday, 14 October 2002 15:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Picked up the enraged will inherit the earth in the sales recently + liked it far more than I expected to. It filled me with a bitter-sweet nostalgia for the 80s, those byrdsian guitars and hard-left politics.

stevo (stevo), Monday, 14 October 2002 16:35 (twenty-three years ago)

Oddly enough, "Get A Knife Between Your Teeth" got airplay in Los Angeles on a major radio station back in the turn of the 90s, when the station was all Madchester... I think that's still the closest Tim and Laetitia got to mass airplay in the States to this date.

donut bitch (donut), Monday, 14 October 2002 16:38 (twenty-three years ago)

They were the first ever live show I attended. I still think of 'Banking...' as being a great album. We all make our own history, but to me, 'get a knife between your teeth' was one of the best singles I ever bought. Good cover as well.

The night I saw them was near the end - Laetitia came on to sing for one track, and many of the people in the audience were Wedding Present/Galaxie 500/Smiths fans. Good band. I'm glad there's some stuff on CD.

Jonny, Monday, 14 October 2002 17:33 (twenty-three years ago)

"Red Sleeping Beauty" is my favorite song from the whole c86 period, and I Am A Wallet is a great album. I'm less wild about the later stuff, but they're one of my top underrated bands.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 14 October 2002 19:27 (twenty-three years ago)

Indeed. The compilation "That's all very well but..." is quite excellent from start to finish, and the albums are pretty strong.

It's a real shame that Malcolm Eden has disappeared from the music industry, but those two records he released under the name Herzfeld weren't all that good..

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 14 October 2002 22:49 (twenty-three years ago)

i first bought 'i am a wallet' after hearing their single 'this nelson rockefeller' on the radio, and i fell in love with them. afterwards came 'the well of loneliness' (a domestic release as a maxi-single in spain! you don't see this anymore) and the rest of their stuff.
i wasn't really into their politics, since i couldn't understand most of what they sang about (although they definitely influenced some of my ideas as i grew up), and of course i didn't know about stereolab yet :-)
i just loved their sound, and i still do.
CLASSIC

joan vich (joan vich), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 08:28 (twenty-three years ago)

I Am A Wallet is a strange, beautiful document of another time. Some of the later stuff I didn't like much. There's an early track called 'New Left Review 2' on a tape that I love too - what's that from?

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 10:21 (twenty-three years ago)

I mostly agree with Nick, though I know another contributor to this forum hates them (he says he "can't hear the tunes" which I always found bewildering).

I was reading an interview with someone or other in a magazine this morning, and one of the questions was "what are your treasured musical moments?" I thought, and the one which sprang most quickly to mind was the very first time I heard "IAAW", sitting on the top of a bus shelter on the brightest autumn morning imaginable.

TNLR#2 is on the "At War" EP, N.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 13:25 (twenty-three years ago)

McCarthy
I forget about them, but they were up ther with the best of the Brits, whilst I was Yankophiling.MBV, Wolfhounds.
Red sleeping Beauty
An MP sleeps
should the bible be banned

CLASS

panico (panico), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 23:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Oooh, Wolfhounds. They were great too. Much better than Moonshake.

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 00:05 (twenty-three years ago)

six years pass...

I doubt that I like this band a great deal in general, but not long ago I was out walking and on Blackheath 'boy meets girl, so what?' came on my iPod - and its structure, its riffs I think, its lyrical and intellectual progression really impressed me.

the pinefox, Saturday, 14 February 2009 22:09 (sixteen years ago)

There's a fine line between being dense and being formless and they veered back and forth across it like they wavered between snobbery and despair. A few good jokes. A few good tunes. Still - probably because of that - I like them a lot. Am now going to play "Now's the Time For an Iron Hand".

Otto von Biz Markie (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 14 February 2009 22:17 (sixteen years ago)

Saw that you'd just posted here NV, amazed it's about music

there's no antivote to (country matters), Saturday, 14 February 2009 22:20 (sixteen years ago)

lol I had to think about that for a moment. There are two McCarthy's I have a deep emotional attachment to and neither of them manages the Wolves.

Otto von Biz Markie (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 14 February 2009 22:24 (sixteen years ago)

one year passes...

Finally got into McCarthy after being a Stereolab fan for years. I regretfully decided to explore Moonshake first and thought McCarthy would be as weak as them, fortunately, I was wrong. Think Banking is my favorite so far but I've only heard each album a couple times. Going to try and track down the singles.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 17:55 (fourteen years ago)

Had no idea Peter Hook played bass on The Drinking Song of the Merchant Bankers. I bet he didn't either. Really sounds like him though.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 18:07 (fourteen years ago)

moonshake? weak?? the stuff they did particularly while margaret was in the band is stone cold classic

Wolfhounds. Much better than Moonshake.

don't think this anymore fwiw, i would put them on a par. 'secondhand clothes' is the best thing dave callahan was involved in

fuckin love mccarthy

karajan camping (electricsound), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 22:04 (fourteen years ago)

I was sort of hoping this thread would be a poll where we answered whether or not we were, or have ever been, part of the communist party.

EDB, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 22:29 (fourteen years ago)

Have loved the Wolfhounds for a long, long time. Ought to give McCarthy a go one of these days.

seminal fuiud (NickB), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 22:33 (fourteen years ago)

I guess I really only have Moonshake Remixes, so I can't say that i've given them a fair 'shake'.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 22:35 (fourteen years ago)

the EP on creation & the secondhand clothes EP would be my recommendations

karajan camping (electricsound), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 22:39 (fourteen years ago)

three years pass...

Heya, might as well revive this to note that Cherry Red just released a full-on, every last track (I think) McCarthy box set -- all three albums, all the associated singles/EPs, and a radio session disc

http://www.cherryred.co.uk/shopexd.asp?id=4899

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 29 November 2014 20:45 (ten years ago)

I'm quite excited to hear the BBC sessions again - looks like there are a few bits and pieces missing from the box (there's only one version of Frans Hals on there, for example, and only one version of "The Fall" (I wonder whether any of the synthy b-sides of "This Nelson Rockefeller" made it on there?); there's also no Celestial City (doubly weird since Cherry Red should have the rights to it after sticking C86 out)), but the kind of people who'd care about the missing bits are likely the kind of people who'd have them already.

Anyway, this has to be good news. While we're on the subject I had no idea they actually made a video for "Frans Hals": it looks like it cost about 30p to make but it's how I remember them most clearly. So young! They seemed rather grown-up to me at the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxWb9FAN078

Tim, Saturday, 29 November 2014 21:24 (ten years ago)

Yeah, Mackro, formerly of this parish, confirms there are still some B-sides missing as you say. So NEAR complete in the end! But yeah, liking the look of the sessions disc.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 29 November 2014 21:40 (ten years ago)

I'm excited about this. And a little disappointed that the This Nelson Rockerfeller EP has been omitted - one of their most essential releases I think. But otherwise this is excellent news. There's better details of the provenance of the tracks on the Discogs page

everything, Sunday, 30 November 2014 19:35 (ten years ago)

This is one of my favourite McCarthy songs- you can hear the seeds of Stereolab here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb2ENkP7t4M

everything, Sunday, 30 November 2014 19:40 (ten years ago)

There are two McCarthy's I have a deep emotional attachment to and neither of them manages the Wolves.

― Otto von Biz Markie (Noodle Vague), Saturday, February 14, 2009 10:24 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ouch like toothache

i've got most of this stuff but the political climate seems really fucken apt for a re-release

poptimisty mounting pop (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 30 November 2014 19:48 (ten years ago)

Very true. Listening today really reminds you how long this has been going on - and everything is the same or worse now. The mothers up to their elbows in suds and the young men with holes in their shoes, always being told by their betters to cheer up and get on with things. Love their little parables and nameless characters in their songs. And over a whole album, if you're listening carefully, the injustice and inequality of life really sinks in.

everything, Sunday, 30 November 2014 20:12 (ten years ago)

four years pass...

Finally bought this box on the weekend. Sounds great, especially the later stuff which is quite excellently recorded. It's not absolutely complete - there's at least 4 songs missing, & there are a couple of errors about that in the notes (also in the Discogs page). The Fall & The Enemy is at Home are the versions from This Nelson Rockerfeller, not the Franz Hals/Red Sleeping Beauty versions. Only two of the TNR b-sides appear - too bad because this is my favourite release by them. There may be more omissions I haven't noticed yet. But definitely no complaints.

everything, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 08:34 (six years ago)

one year passes...

Did they have a song about holding raffles to support the NHS? I feel like they must have done.

djh, Thursday, 16 April 2020 20:49 (five years ago)

I've taken the opportunity to inflict "God Made the Virus" on a few unsuspecting people lately, in the context of selected preachers making pretty much exactly that claim.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Friday, 17 April 2020 01:25 (five years ago)


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