where do YOU draw the line between what you say you like and what you'd actually buy or dance to?

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assuming like me you do...basically i can say i like (love even) 75% of what the Neptunes but i'm only going to dance to certain tracks, basically their harder hip hop stuff, if that even...only that kinda stuff is really 'head nodding' poser music for me anyway...but if i was at a party/club and one of their Britney productions came on, as much as i like it, i'm not sure i'd wanna dance to it...tho i would definitely be moving with it in some degree...this is almost certainly just fear of being ridiculed, by my own conscience rather than anyone else even! this is more because i always felt a bit inadequate dancing to any slow dance music that i cant directly identify with rather than a case of 'oh no, its britney, i just cannot be seen to be liking this' per se...'Freak Like Me' is another candidate, as is 'Emerge'...maybe even 'Miss Lucifer' - maybe i'm just sick of em when they get too overplayed, altho i'd still definitely dance to 'silver screen shower scene' and 'house of jealous lovers'. the other thing is i'll dance to 'last night a dj saved my life' but i wont dance to 'if ya gettin down' by 5ive which sampled it gratutitously...snobbery imposing on my enjoyment of dance music? ah but what if its IRONIC eh? e.g. i might hear Guns n Roses and go crazy (i said MIGHT)

this makes me sound like a pitiful character perhaps and the example wasnt great but this is all pretty tongue-in-cheek...i wanna know where your limits are. we all say we like certain tracks but i suspect a lot of the time they're not liked to the extent where they're purchased and/or danced to...

on a slightly different level are there any tracks you've loved but now just dont want to dance to anymore because its just too cliched? i stomped around to 'Come On Eileen' and 'Jump Around' so much in my youth that i cannot do it ever again...i'm just a total clichephobe basically, still there worse afflictions

blueski, Monday, 14 October 2002 15:19 (twenty-three years ago)

In essence, this is exactly the same question as posed in g's "Do you like chartpop?" thread (the differences are not significant, at any rate).

zebedee, Monday, 14 October 2002 15:50 (twenty-three years ago)

yeh, probably, sorry...i mean DAMN! damn...

blueski, Monday, 14 October 2002 15:56 (twenty-three years ago)

This is a more useful thread because it confirms my suspicions about the fuckers who won't dance when I play this stuff out! ;)

I will dance to anything I know and like if I'm drunk enough. If I'm feeling shy I won't even dance to my favourites. If I'm in a dancing mood I'll dance to stuff I don't like. Dancing and liking aren't in lockstep for me.

There is plenty of stuff I theoretically like, like Sonic Youth for instance, but I can never be bothered to buy. I used to have a hangup about buying chartpop albums cos I bought the myth that they're all rubbish apart from the singles, but I'm over that now.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 14 October 2002 15:57 (twenty-three years ago)

I still have that hang-up about chart-pop, fear of treacly ballads filling out the second half.

And yeah, I'm mystified at the idea of being so selective with dancing: if I like the sort of thing that's being played, and I feel like dancing, I'll dance on and off as the mood strikes me. It takes a really dire selection to get me off of a dancefloor, though any song I'm excited about is likely to lure me back.

But then I have this sense that music-for-dancing in the everyday UK non-club sense is a bit more of a mix of different things? (This is the sense I get from school- and indie-disco discussions.)

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 14 October 2002 16:05 (twenty-three years ago)

(That last bit meant to = "so maybe that's why you're more selective?")

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 14 October 2002 16:05 (twenty-three years ago)

what about dancing to stuff you dont know? surely this happens a lot? prompting march up to DJ to ask whats playing etc. - i tend to be one for that and i'm usually disappointed if i KNOW everything i hear at a club/party

i dont have to be drunk to dance to stuff i really like...no drugs of any sort needed essentially tho obv. alky helps

i just cant imagine dancing to something i dont like in any way...well i can but it just dont make sense

so my question was more about dancing to rather than buying music cos obviously we all love more music than we can own it would seem

blueski, Monday, 14 October 2002 16:14 (twenty-three years ago)

and i'll add that if i liked chartpop as a genre (which i dont cos i dont buy the albums and i'm more of the 'i like a few songs but consider it flawed as a genre' perspective) then i'm sure i'd feel the same way as Tom does

i think my pickyness and analness about it comes from being eternally frustrated regarding my enthusiasm for partying/clubbing and the disappointing results of trying to engage in this regularly throughout the years, but thats another not very interesting story - just way too much time spent thinking and not enough dancing basically

blueski, Monday, 14 October 2002 16:20 (twenty-three years ago)

I can't remember the last time I even attempted to dance, oh yeah, it musta been 6 years ago at my friends birthday party, I did some crazy bhangra dancing (captured on video).

Anyway, the music I like and buy is the music I fall asleep to.

jel -- (jel), Monday, 14 October 2002 16:26 (twenty-three years ago)

If there is music playing at a party/nightclub/bar/anywhere, there is a 90% chance that I will be dancing. The probability goes up to 100% when I've been drinking. There are few things I like more than dancing.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 14 October 2002 16:56 (twenty-three years ago)

same as Dan. I'm not an exhibitionist (wish I was) so I won't start a floor, but stick one or two people on it and a drink or two in me and I'll dance to almost anything. & hell, it's a civic duty to dance to things you like!

Paul (scifisoul), Monday, 14 October 2002 17:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, I can't afford nearly as much as I like - I buy as much of what I love best as I can afford. As for dancing, if I'm in the mood and have people to dance with and I'm not too tired (I am old and unfit) I'll dance to anything that I don't actively dislike and is reasonably danceable. If I don't have the people or the mood, little but my absolute favourite dancers will get me up. Actually, I haven't danced too much since last Christmas - I danced for ages at one party: lots of vintage disco classics plus good recent stuff, and a couple of very sexy young women with whom I danced all night.

It is many years if ever since I resisted dancing to something I liked because it's not cool. I can't remember any cases, but I wouldn't put it past me many years ago. I'm a 43 year old funny shaped white guy: imagining that anything to do with me dancing could ever be cool would be mentalism run rampant.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 14 October 2002 19:41 (twenty-three years ago)

People always ask me what crazy drugs i've taken, when they see me dance. I weird them out too much.

A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 14 October 2002 22:06 (twenty-three years ago)

blueski you need to see the avalanches dj - they will force you to dance to everything they want. you will have no say whatsoever in the matter of dancing to the thong song, 112, janet, britney, g'n'r, whatever.... and you will love it, dammit. you'll come back for more!

minna (minna), Monday, 14 October 2002 23:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Minna i cannot imagine a better DJ set to dance to than what the AValanches were playing last year when they were recorded on Radio 1, XFM etc. - i absolutely love Gimix and part of this is precisely because they punctuated the mixes with pop gems from the 70s to the 90s

so now i sound like a complete snob and hypocrite right? well i probably am but i think its hearing 'Girls Just Wanna Have Fun' or Destiny's CHild in the context the Avalanches or Soulwax would place it in (mixed mercilessly with other more 'credible' records) that would make me wanna dance to it...its the same appeal as is commonly found in bootlegs of course - that they do MORE than just play the record increases the appeal as well, its sampled, stretched, filtered and fucked with through mixers, sequencers and laptops to create an all-powerful dancefloor detonator

this in turn has inspired me to create my own mixes which purposely feature pop tracks i always had a liking for but never considered dancing to as they were...the mixing of them with something harder or more obscure but still compatible i still find stimulating to listen and dance to

blueski, Tuesday, 15 October 2002 09:58 (twenty-three years ago)

and i'm saying there's nothing wrong with me feeling this way either and its actually been a great way of learning to like some chart-pop or other records i wouldve considered 'bad' before (hell The AValanches even made me like Debbie Reynolds and Boney M more) more for what they are as well as what they can be

blueski, Tuesday, 15 October 2002 10:04 (twenty-three years ago)

and you may have noticed the examples of music i'd be reluctant to dance to despite liking were commonly female-led and songs from a female perspective...tho my mention of 5ive (am i the only person who bothers to spell it that way?) hopefully debunks suggestions i have a clear crisis of masculinity on the dancefloor, after all who's more men then them?

blueski, Tuesday, 15 October 2002 10:15 (twenty-three years ago)

Dance sucks...

Callum (Callum), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 14:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Sance ducks...

blueski, Tuesday, 15 October 2002 16:00 (twenty-three years ago)

seven months pass...
do yuou stilll feel this way blueski?

minna (minna), Saturday, 17 May 2003 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)

no i'm a lot more relaxed generally these days, amazing what 6 months of posting and reading ILM regularly can do eh? obv. i don't dance to what i don't like, and it tends to be a snap judgement thing when you're in an environment like that (party, club etc.) so you don't have time to think 'why don't i like this?' or whatever and maybe try and convince yourself you do like it after all...the bigger problem right now is actually getting out and dancing at all.

anyway i'm glad you revived this thread (except i look at my previous posts and wince inside) as it would be nice to hear more views from other people. i'm surprised jel doesn't dance for example, what with him seeming like such a nice fun-lovin' chap, and i'd been hanging around thinking Dan Perry was a classic wallflower given his shy, retiring nature...

stevem (blueski), Saturday, 17 May 2003 18:18 (twenty-two years ago)

and for chrissakes when can i hear a new Avalanches DJ set?

stevem (blueski), Saturday, 17 May 2003 18:19 (twenty-two years ago)

dexta is bringing out a dj-kicks (or similar)

minna (minna), Saturday, 17 May 2003 18:31 (twenty-two years ago)

supoib

stevem (blueski), Saturday, 17 May 2003 18:53 (twenty-two years ago)

A reliable best mate source told me Dexter was "FUCKING AMAZING" in Dublin last week, I had been sceptical cos I am a house fascist and so I stayed in washing my hair (or whatever, I forget) and missed it.

Where was this thread this time last week eh?

Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 17 May 2003 19:28 (twenty-two years ago)

i'll basically dance to anything, depending on who i'm with basically...i'll only buy things i really adore a little of but haven't listened to a lot (so that i can get a few weeks of not-listening-to-anything-else in) because i am always broke.

Maria (Maria), Saturday, 17 May 2003 20:06 (twenty-two years ago)

it's not so much what music's playing, it's more about where i am...i only dance in the kitchen

i like lots of music i'd probably never buy but that's got an extramusical expl. as well, i only buy stuff that is available on inexpensive 2nd hand vinyl ....occasionally a cheap 2nd hand CD but there isn't much pt. in that 'cause i don't have a CD player

duane, Sunday, 18 May 2003 09:01 (twenty-two years ago)


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