Pazz & Jop 2013

http://www.villagevoice.com/pazznjop/

"Did Kanye release an album this year? Yes? OK, we'll go with that."

i wanna snrub you hard on the sink

Piss and Jop
Why are people finally paying attention to R. Kelly's many crimes?
By Jim Derogatis

There is no way they cleared that headline with Jim

That's showing me last year's site?

Unless Frank Ocean and Carly Rae Jepsen won again.

i just refreshed and it looks like the pages i was looking at are being turned back to the 2012 poll for now, false alarm haha

awwwwwww

Weird. What won tracks?

i'll dole out some stuff i remember seeing, though:

Beyonce's album (which was released 12 days before ballots were due) placed at #4

Arcade Fire missed the top 10

"Get Lucky" obv #1 single

1 Kanye West, Yeezus
Def Jam Points: 1991
Mentions: 160
2 Vampire Weekend, Modern Vampires of the City
XL Points: 1342
Mentions: 109
3 Daft Punk, Random Access Memories
Columbia Points: 833
Mentions: 76
4 Beyoncé, Beyoncé
Columbia Points: 736
Mentions: 57
5 Chance the Rapper, Acid Rap
none Points: 672
Mentions: 63
6 My Bloody Valentine, m b v
m b v Points: 624
Mentions: 61
7 Haim, Days Are Gone
Columbia Points: 598
Mentions: 62
8 Janelle Monáe, The Electric Lady
Bad Boy Points: 510
Mentions: 51
9 Kurt Vile, Wakin on a Pretty Daze
Matador Points: 502
Mentions: 46
10 Kacey Musgraves, Same Trailer Different Park
Mercury Nashville Points: 489
Mentions: 43

Let's relive the nightmare again of Frank Ocean winning the poll.

Chance at #5!

http://www.villagevoice.com/slideshow/pazz-n-jop-best-singles-of-2013-40816810/#25

^ not rolled back to 2012, finally a useful slideshow

not working

i was gonna say something like "get lucky, the song everyone apparently loves but no one's really crazy about" but maybe people actually are crazy about it? maybe they don't actually listen to the radio and didn't get sick of it within two weeks? idk it's weird to me. i thought it was a pretty good song, i'd listen to it when it came on, and now the thought of it gives me a headache. part of it's the overplayedness but it also just wears thin really quickly

yay for chance tho

"Get Lucky" was pretty resilient for me, i think i willingly listened to it more (didn't change the station when it came on or pressed play on it myself) when it was 6 months old than when it was new.

Very professional. Albums link goes to 2012.

Normal behavior. It happened a few times in the last few years.

even with Vaempsy WEekee in there that's probably the best/least corny P&J top 5 in a long time imo

tbf the issue's street date is tomorrow so i think the stuff that people have caught online already are not really 'official,' we can complain if links aren't working tomorrow

pazz and jop takes a while to update every year iirc

singles 1-25:

daft punk
lorde
haim
kanye - new slaves
thicke
drake
kanye - black skinhead
icona pop
miley - we can't stop
kanye - bound 2
arcade fire
timberlake
tegan and sara
ciara
miley - wrecking ball
phosphorescent
kacey - follow your arrow
vampire weekend
janelle monae
james blake
disclosure - latch
migos
parquet courts
vampire weekend
sky ferreira - i blame myself

http://furia.com/pjs/index.html

^^ the stats

Bowie, Arcade Fire, Neko Case, Fucking Drake out of the top ten = all's right

i'd die of embarrassment if i was a statistical centrist, like well done you have the most boring taste of everyone pureed

as ever more interested in looking at individual lists than the entire thing. hi 5s to shipz and deej, who is steve kiviat??

haha I'm one notch below Ryan Schreiber -- first time ever!

i am also approximately a gazillion times more hyped for the ilx poll!

lex, you should be proud of the Sevyn Streeter company: Alex Macpherson · Alfred Soto · David Drake · Lindsey Rhoades

would be cool if everyone here who had a P+J ballot also submitted an ILX ballot (even the same list!)

is there an only-nominated-items restriction?

6 of the top ten albums are in my own top ten and 7 are in my top 20 :/

That's probably symptomatic of me not having a ton of time to dig this year tho.

xp yeah there is - but there are about 1,000 albums and 1,500 tracks nominated, and if you vote for something that isn't there it just gets skipped

I mean the album/track gets skipped, the rest of your ballot is counted.

Wait, how did Jason Isbell get into the top 20? Are there that many Drive-By Truckers fans out there?

Did Paste Magazine try to stage a coup?

He was #1 in American Songwriter magazine fwiw

lol

at the moment there are no votes being counted for Lady Gaga and R. Kelly's "Do What U Want" and my vote for it is being counted for Gaga's "Gypsy," which has 7 votes -- hopefully that'll be fixed soon, although given the DeRo essay I almost wanna make an accusation of foul play haha

do what u want with my ballot

omg i'm shocked and relieved, i thought that "thrift shop" would do really well based on p&j's including-votes-from-last-year thing

only one vote for any of my three favorite songs this year. not regretting not submitting a ballot tbh, and i used to be so excited.

Migos beat Macklemore. Any other fuck shit is excused.

3 songs in the top 10 songs from one artist is pretty unusual right? maybe not for kanye tho since he did it with his last album too. but i think before then the only time that had happened was w/ prince or something.

it looks like the original "Versace" and the Drake remix were counted separately, so really it should be prob be several spaces higher than it already is

yet the actual best song from yeezus wound up at 171, smh

yeah IIRC the only other albums to have 3 top ten singles were MBDTF and Sign O The Times, maybe a handful of others had 2 songs (xp)

i'm at least relieved "Blood On The Leaves" isn't one of the big 3, i always feel like i'm taking crazy pills when that song is talked about as a standout

I'm more pro-Drake than most people on here at this point (I think) and I still don't know why anyone would vote for Versace remix w/ Drake over the original, that is some shit I will never understand.

Also, poor Bangerz, only got one vote :(

damn didn't even realize she'd released an album since bionic, apparently she put one out in 2012 that flopped also

this song from it is GREAT (totally an antecedent to charli xcx's 'superlove' imo):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeHR0IrTDcI

total summer jam there

man did a ryan tedder 'song' for that last hunger games movie and still couldn't get arrested

My innocuous comment on Facebook apparently raised xhuxk's Metalism score.
Even without voting anymore, I am making an impact... :)

beyonce finished in the top 5 this year despite her album coming out days before the deadline

Does anyone else wonder if the album would have placed lower had it come out back in, say, July? Whether critics were so little-kids-on-Christmas-morning about the whole thing that they placed it on the top of their lists pretty much blind?

I don't recall ever listening to Lotus, but the "Red Hot Kinda Love" song is niiiice.

i assume that is right, 誤訳侮辱. but it's ok. this ain't science.

horse otm possibly - i could imagine that whatever votes it lost due to deadline it made up for w/ enthusiasm. can also imagine if it had come out much earlier and there had been singles campaigns etc some album voters might've thrown that vote to a single instead.

i think the newnewss helped but "blind" implies people weren't even listening to it -- i tend to kind of know within my first 2 weeks of having an album whether i'm gonna like it or not a year later anyway. not the first time i've put a December album on my P&J ballot and i've yet to regret doing that; sometimes you just know.

yeah if anything i underrate december albums (like, looking back at my 2010 ballot where i put LTTP eighth, wtf). i played beyoncé about 5 times the day it came out, knew it was my #1 within a couple of days, and the month since i sent my ballot has only confirmed that

I'm exactly the opposite - it's very rare that an album released later than, say, September or October will make my year-end list. It's usually all stuff I've been listening to semi-obsessively since the spring or summer.

i don't usually feel sure about an album being top-ten material until i've listened to it at least a dozen times—and even ones i heard maybe two dozen times, i might have been unsure about compared to the top few that i ended up listening to upwards of 40-60 times during the year.

You guys really take this ranking shit seriously, huh? My favorite of any year is always a gut decision. Sometimes the album retains some kind of legacy in my life over time, and sometimes it doesn't. For 2013, no album really hit me that way until Beyonce's was released. Haim and Tegan & Sara were close, but I still wasn't knocked flat by either of them. Beyonce IMMEDIATELY clicked as my aoty.

i don't, it's just how i work—if i don't let things settle that much then i have almost no idea how to rank shit at all. and it's a rare year that one album strikes me out of the blue from listen #1 as thee greatest thing evar in my life

oh it's totally a gut feeling. any album that compels me to listen over and over again like bey's did = AOTY contender

and most of my AOTYs over the years haven't been ones that slowly creep up - most have stopped me in my tracks on first or second listen

maybe the difference is i don't listen very obsessively/repetitively? i try to savor each listen, i spun my #1 album of the year maybe 40 times but i can't imagine doing that with ten different albums and not getting sick of them all pretty quickly.

i think of listening to the same album over and over as something i did as a teenager, not because it's a 'teenager' activity but because i only had so many CDs and getting new ones cost money. i have no desire to binge listen to anything now that i don't have to.

Case by case basis for me. In the last month, I've probably listened to Bey's album 20-25 times in full, and individual tracks a lot more often. But some albums I really do love I don't feel the impulse to listen to very often. And some of them are residually beloved, as in I listened to it a whole lot earlier in the year but haven't done so in months.

i weigh my album of the year 50% by quantity of listens + 50% by ideological value

It varies for me. Some top ten albums get 20 plays, some get 50.

I'm much better about letting December singles instead of albums crash my year end list

for 2010 I had LTTP and Love Letter get into my 2011 ballot.

i just like to let things work their way in. sometimes it means i end up really liking things that didn't do much for me. i would have been disappointed in the VHÖL album if i hadn't been willing to let it unfold. but it's not usually exactly deliberate. i think there were weeks and weeks where, as soon as i left my office on my way to teach a class, i listened either to carcass or VHÖL. or where i sat down at home in the morning and put on bill orcutt. it just seemed like the thing to do.

Sometimes I know, just RIGHT AWAY. This year, Grouper and TAHNZZ I knew within three spins.

Eric Copeland, it took a while; Death Grips I knew after hearing it in a couple of different settings and situations.

lex, at what point in May did you know Vampire Weekend would be your inescapable #1 album?

Prodigy/Alchemist maybe it took 10 spins, snuck up on me until I was obsessed with it.

Then again some shit is great great great and then I'm sick of it and it doesn't place. This happened with the last Spoon album and Sightings' City of Straw. It's a tricky thing.

Pusha T took a bit.

"Nosestalgia" on my ballot mostly for Kendrick

since i'm not a professional critic, i mostly make my lists for myself, and i think a lot about forging meaningful connections with the records. it bums me out a little to look back at old lists and find that i only still listen to one or two things from them. even though the records from the lists still seem good.

Deafhaven at #19. Is that the highest ever for a metal album (or a "metal" album) in Pazz & Jop history?

Metallica's black album finished at No. 8 in 1991.

http://www.robertchristgau.com/xg/pnj/pjres91.php

Also, lol @ UYI II finishing so far ahead of I. Like, what?

that's not even "metal" ;)

it is the better album imo! and also all the songs that were big by the end of '91 were on II so i feel like it got a jump start (was also the one that debuted at #1 on Billboard). xp

Bah, it counts.

mmm... i would disagree if only for the odds n sods element (and 'civil war' is maybe my least favorite gnr song)

II was better

Did notice that; not that I care, at all, but I do see voters who haven't written about music for years.

― Mark, Wednesday, January 15, 2014 4:02 PM (5 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

My guess is there's no real effort to clean the list. I haven't written about music since 2011, but I still get a ballot every year. I haven't voted since 2010, because that's the last time I felt engaged enough in music and music writing to justify it. But it was tempting to send a vote in anyway just to boost my favorites. I'm sure some people do.

Anybody who feels informed enough to complain about the voters or the voting should probably send in their name to get on the list. The thing could definitely use new and more participants.

I wasn't on the list for years and felt that I would be needy if I asked first, or that I didn't fulfil the criteria in some way, which was dumb of me. Fortunately P&J did add me to the list eventually but I should have approached them much earlier.

Yeah, I wouldn't count on the Voice mounting a big recruiting effort. If you don't vote and should, speak up. And pass it on.

iirc in past years part of the voting process was telling them where you've written in the past year, and there was nothing like that this year?

i voted in this for four years = they are not picky. in fact the first time i ever got paid for any kind of writing was $10 for a p&j comment. (bought wine, rest is hazy.) didn't get a ballot this year (i think) but i'm sure i would have if i'd asked; any top-ten list i would have made tho would have been "here's the best third of everything i heard this year". plus in the end i didn't want to decide if i liked matangi better than paramore.

in past years part of the voting process was telling them where you've written in the past year Not that specifically, but outlets are mentioned kinda oh btw in the current letter re comments etc.:
Even if you decide
not to submit comments, please send a quick email to that address and update
your contact info for our files:

a) Current address
b) Updated e-mail and phone
c) Publications you write for, general workplace changes, whims

next year maybe ILM can buy a ballot, deadspin HOF vote-style

if I just say "I write about music on I Love Music" can I get a P&J ballot?

you should send your writing in the Spandau Ballet thread as a sample.

http://rockcritics.com/2014/01/23/more-pazz-jop/ and Christgau