is 'the guy from sonic youth' a 'celebrity'?

Guile is definitely a celebrity in my book

He was a guest star on the fucking Simpsons

Tough poll, it's between these three for me:

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sonic thedgehod

Hope this is the first in a series.

really like this use of the poll format.

( )....
( ) like... who the fuck are any of these people
( ) all of those people are nobodies!
( ) fucking nobodies

this is hard.

interviewed by fucking Nardwuar…TWICE!!

Voted the fuckin national

why the national; do you have something against the strokes or sonic thedgehod?

Voted for Whigfield
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyIAfEqA220

Yeah fuck those nobodies

teenage riot was on rock band 3 i think, ppl know them

Also he did that cool painting of the candle

people it's really important that we know who's a celebrity and who isn't. the jokes on this thread are an insult to the institution of celebrity. serious answers only please. thank you

otm

when i got to college and didn't know anyone yet i spent a lot of time hanging out with this guy who claimed he was thurston moore's cousin. he was an awful, manipulative person who i eventually became kind of creeped out by. i think he might have been lying about the thurston moore connection... maybe not... but then why would he lie about being related to a non-celebrity?

19 hours really not enough to make a decision like this.

"fucking nobodies" ftw

He was a guest star on the fucking Simpsons

― perfect puppy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, March 8, 2014 8:37 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

so wrre a lot of people. and they're all dead and forgotten\

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPKB6bCBHLE

voted for "Glenn Branca, Yamantaka Eye, Chris Corsano and My Cat is an Alien.[citation needed]"
....

but he's still a dick and chelsea light moving is boring

This would have made for an interesting poll in 1992

the only poll (james franco ever praised)

Who is the least famous celebrity

Kinda jumps out at ya

Gilmore Girls

Treeship: that is a creepy story

Branwell overthinking really obvious things, as usual, because that is what Branwell does on a Sunday morning:

Like, OMG, duh, you are literally the first person in the world that has pointed out that "celebrity" is a meaningless term! "Celebrity" does not mean a fucking thing these days, now that anyone, even heiresses and indie-rock stars can become ~celebrities~. Not like in the olden days, when Celebrity meant an actual Godlike Celebrity, like Zeus, or Napoleon, or that codger in the next village over who threw a kettle over the pub.

Celebrity means little more than "a person, who is not personally known to me, who nonetheless *means* something to me and whose behaviour is interesting to me."

You may not know this person, and yet you follow their behaviour because you use them as a kind of personal benchmark of what is noble, what is despicable, what is admirable, be that inspiration or aspiration or cautionary tale. When a large enough group of people use the same person in that way, that person becomes a "Celebrity". Now you can argue back and forth all day about how large a group of people it takes to make a person a "celebrity" but Celebrities themselves, they have a use, a purpose, and when people start making those noises about 'omg celebrity culture is ~so terrible~!!!' all that makes me think is "wow, you really don't understand how humans work.'

I *get* why people hate the preponderance of Indie Rock Canon on this board, and revoking Thurston's status as celebrity - or indeed mocking people who consider him and his behaviour worthy of note or discussion - can certainly be a reflection of dismantling the overlong cultural influence of Indie Rock. But on the other hand, when it becomes a stick to beat people with "why do you care about this dumb shit" I think it's pretty obvious why people care about this dumb shit: because people use 'Celebrities" as moral bellwethers of themselves and their perceived group.

I'm of the generation that grew up with Kim and Thurston as kind of "cool older siblings" - and watched them grapple with the same issues that I was facing. How do you maintain a relationship in the face of your political beliefs, and your belief in gender equality? How do you negotiate the desire to not participate in the more abhorrent aspects of consumer society, while still making a liveable standard of living? They seemed to do it well. It wasn't that I was holding them to a *different* or higher standard than ~ordinary folk~, it was just that they seemed to do it well enough that, being of my age and class and gender and interests, they got integrated into what I considered to *be* the standard. And it's not just a bog standard "kill yr idols" display, but more a "you lied to us for half a dozen years. I have the right to feel kinda bummed about being lied to, and to revise my opinions of you, rather than revise my moral standards."

"Who even is this guy" is a perfectly normal response if it's not your generation or not your culture or not your standard. But "Why do you even care about celebrities" is one of those things that makes me instantly question the wisdom of the sayer, rather than the concept of "celebrity".

i don't know what sleepingbag's agenda was with this poll. i don't think it was to undermine the indie rock canon in any serious sense, and i doubt he would think it's more legitimate to ponder the personal lives of a "legitimate" celebrity like britney spears than it is to do that for our thurston. maybe i'm wrong though and he's the type that goes around calling people "fucking nobodies" in earnest.

what kind of name is thurston

sounds like the name of an adulterer to me.

http://i.imgur.com/PnJ6ghv.jpg

I thought sleepingbag was polling some dummy's Youtube or Tumblr rant

I'm of the generation that grew up with Kim and Thurston as kind of "cool older siblings" - and watched them grapple with the same issues that I was facing. How do you maintain a relationship in the face of your political beliefs, and your belief in gender equality? How do you negotiate the desire to not participate in the more abhorrent aspects of consumer society, while still making a liveable standard of living? They seemed to do it well. It wasn't that I was holding them to a *different* or higher standard than ~ordinary folk~, it was just that they seemed to do it well enough that, being of my age and class and gender and interests, they got integrated into what I considered to *be* the standard. And it's not just a bog standard "kill yr idols" display, but more a "you lied to us for half a dozen years. I have the right to feel kinda bummed about being lied to, and to revise my opinions of you, rather than revise my moral standards."

Not sure I follow this at all.

Don't worry, it was just me thinking out loud; the ILX equivalent of a YouTube rant or whatever.

It is easy to follow

http://i62.tinypic.com/2rdb4o8.jpg

Seems like we have some people taking this poll incredibly seriously, and others who think it's some sort of joke. Let's all DROP the balogna and get serious Right Now.

karl's right. this isn't a playground people. this isn't twitter.

btw turns out "cis" is a word they had to make up for, like, normal dudes

Stands for "cool it, simp" iirc

terrible how language evolves in ways that make people feel less alienated by normative gender categories.

voted "why even be in a band"

"normal"

Hedgehod FTW

obviously i voted for sonic

Is this the sum total of his 'collaboration' with Amacher?:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRrksHhVfj8

like, don't you have to have at least a single song that regular ppl can name to be an important band

voted for this

why does new york think every one of it's 900000 garbage rock bands are legendary or w/e

this was the clear winner for me

like, don't you have to have at least a single song that regular ppl can name to be an important band

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voted for this

― sleeve, Sunday, March 9, 2014

otm. for instance, most people can name the title of at least two imagine dragons songs, but can't name the title of at least one johannes brahms song. and which of them is a more important act? that's right. thank you.

write in vote for 'what a retarded fucking poll, jesus fucking christ'

There's a band called Johannes Brahms?

Brohannes Jahms, actually.

second-greatest band ever, behind maroon 5. but for obscure music-lovers only, so not an "important band."

I should start a poll about shitty it is to say "retarded" in 2014

lol at Brohannes Jams

Cosign also "HMMMM"ing at ppl thinking this is is either a srs OR rly dumb poll

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

lol

this poll is top notch, certain other pollstarters might consider studying it for tips about form and content.

sonic thedgehod definitely a contender in putatively forthcoming POLL WINNERS' POLL 3

f was robbed

Brohannes Jahms = superlolz

Good poll sry to have missed it tbh needed to be on a board more ppl had heard of

a worthy victor

i don't know what sleepingbag's agenda was with this poll. i don't think it was to undermine the indie rock canon in any serious sense,

IT WAS TO UNDERMINE THE INDIE ROCK CANON IN A SERIOUS SENSE

I partied with Lydia Lunch last yr

Who?

lmao

two ppl voted for the poll option w/her name on it what can i say

I'd like to know what Lydia Lunch's version of "partying" looks like. People berating caged kittens is probably her idea of a good time.

bourbon + cocaine + flirting with guys much younger than her -- I can respect the first and third activity

about what i expected. her voice is... something else these days. i saw her and her band a few months ago and they were pretty great tbh.

yeah, she still has good energy on stage, but she can't hit the notes from that early Teenage Jesus material -- sounds more like Bea Arthur. I am fond of Bea Arthur tho

I haven't partied with Lydia exactly but I did see her do a semi-private "video retrospective" in the pre-Youtube days where she showed video from her personal collection of TJ & J & 8-Eyed Spy & Shotgun Wedding and so on and so on and she also graphically & ruthlessly broke down the sexual proclivities of her various collaborators and it was one of the funniest things I've ever seen.

It was like Bea Arthur if Bea Arthur knew everything about Rowland S Howard's dick

I haven’t partied with Lydia but I have done the caged kitten thing

I love a few Lydia Lunch albums btw. Sry for the dumb joke

I have no idea what her physical appearance is like these days, but she's an absolutely wretched person.👍🏽

the first Sonic Youth drummer is so good in 'Stranger Than Paradise'

Wow, I didn’t know that guy was in SY... (He was also in Ferris Bueller, lol)

And Eight Men Out

xp - why do you think she's an absolutely wretched person? (not saying you are wrong)

Branwell overthinking really obvious things, as usual, because that is what Branwell does on a Sunday morning:

Like, OMG, duh, you are literally the first person in the world that has pointed out that "celebrity" is a meaningless term! "Celebrity" does not mean a fucking thing these days, now that anyone, even heiresses and indie-rock stars can become ~celebrities~. Not like in the olden days, when Celebrity meant an actual Godlike Celebrity, like Zeus, or Napoleon, or that codger in the next village over who threw a kettle over the pub.

Celebrity means little more than "a person, who is not personally known to me, who nonetheless *means* something to me and whose behaviour is interesting to me."

You may not know this person, and yet you follow their behaviour because you use them as a kind of personal benchmark of what is noble, what is despicable, what is admirable, be that inspiration or aspiration or cautionary tale. When a large enough group of people use the same person in that way, that person becomes a "Celebrity". Now you can argue back and forth all day about how large a group of people it takes to make a person a "celebrity" but Celebrities themselves, they have a use, a purpose, and when people start making those noises about 'omg celebrity culture is ~so terrible~!!!' all that makes me think is "wow, you really don't understand how humans work.'

I *get* why people hate the preponderance of Indie Rock Canon on this board, and revoking Thurston's status as celebrity - or indeed mocking people who consider him and his behaviour worthy of note or discussion - can certainly be a reflection of dismantling the overlong cultural influence of Indie Rock. But on the other hand, when it becomes a stick to beat people with "why do you care about this dumb shit" I think it's pretty obvious why people care about this dumb shit: because people use 'Celebrities" as moral bellwethers of themselves and their perceived group.

I'm of the generation that grew up with Kim and Thurston as kind of "cool older siblings" - and watched them grapple with the same issues that I was facing. How do you maintain a relationship in the face of your political beliefs, and your belief in gender equality? How do you negotiate the desire to not participate in the more abhorrent aspects of consumer society, while still making a liveable standard of living? They seemed to do it well. It wasn't that I was holding them to a *different* or higher standard than ~ordinary folk~, it was just that they seemed to do it well enough that, being of my age and class and gender and interests, they got integrated into what I considered to *be* the standard. And it's not just a bog standard "kill yr idols" display, but more a "you lied to us for half a dozen years. I have the right to feel kinda bummed about being lied to, and to revise my opinions of you, rather than revise my moral standards."

"Who even is this guy" is a perfectly normal response if it's not your generation or not your culture or not your standard. But "Why do you even care about celebrities" is one of those things that makes me instantly question the wisdom of the sayer, rather than the concept of "celebrity".

― claim you hate me; read my twitter account ~religiously~ (Branwell Bell), Sunday, March 9, 2014 4:54 AM (five years ago) bookmarkflaglink

lmao

Sonic Youth member has been my gold standard of comfortable level of celebrity forever - pretty sure they're all set up financially, Kim/Thurston/Lee could get a table at a hot restaurant or invite to an exclusive event if they want it, but they're not famous enough to have to deal with paparazzi.

seemed like every other person i knew during my college days in western massachusetts had a gordon/mascis/moore story to tell and all of them reaffirmed my belief to let celebrities and people in general be.

Still find it fascinating I saw Thurston nearly ride his bike into a bus in Stoke Newington. sonic thedgehod

Stokey Youth.