― Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Thursday, 17 October 2002 16:48 (twenty-three years ago)
― Jody Beth Rosen, Thursday, 17 October 2002 17:17 (twenty-three years ago)
― Andy K (Andy K), Thursday, 17 October 2002 17:36 (twenty-three years ago)
― Geoff, Thursday, 17 October 2002 17:38 (twenty-three years ago)
― Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Thursday, 17 October 2002 17:44 (twenty-three years ago)
Now, all we want is for Nigel Williamson or Allan Jones to turn up here :).
― robin carmody (robin carmody), Thursday, 17 October 2002 18:07 (twenty-three years ago)
― robin carmody (robin carmody), Thursday, 17 October 2002 18:10 (twenty-three years ago)
or?m.
― msp, Thursday, 17 October 2002 18:11 (twenty-three years ago)
― Andy K (Andy K), Thursday, 17 October 2002 18:16 (twenty-three years ago)
Last time I look at one at the newsstand, these mags run reviews of new music alongside nostalgic cover features on "classic" rock. So they're sort of separate problems. (Or I could be wrong.)
― wl (wl), Thursday, 17 October 2002 18:20 (twenty-three years ago)
― Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Thursday, 17 October 2002 18:21 (twenty-three years ago)
― Aaron W., Thursday, 17 October 2002 18:32 (twenty-three years ago)
Hey, that sounds interesting. How do you tie all that in with Fairport?
― Jody Beth Rosen, Thursday, 17 October 2002 18:34 (twenty-three years ago)
― Sean (Sean), Thursday, 17 October 2002 18:44 (twenty-three years ago)
― Geoff, Thursday, 17 October 2002 18:47 (twenty-three years ago)
Enough about Fischerspooner already!!
― Aaron W, Thursday, 17 October 2002 18:52 (twenty-three years ago)
― Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Thursday, 17 October 2002 19:04 (twenty-three years ago)
― Leon Neyfakh, Thursday, 17 October 2002 19:27 (twenty-three years ago)
― Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Thursday, 17 October 2002 22:07 (twenty-three years ago)
Cut three noughts off those figures and it's *just* possible you might be onto something there, Custos. Although it's more likely to be payment in kind, methinks: I've heard many a tale from reliable sources of "here's some drugs, please be nice to our band"-type stuff in the past. In fact, I guess it's even happened to me once or twice - lucky I have a will of iron...
― Charlie (Charlie), Thursday, 17 October 2002 22:27 (twenty-three years ago)
― Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Thursday, 17 October 2002 22:37 (twenty-three years ago)
There is a lot still to say about the Beatles, Dylan and The Stones. The problem is there's a lot still to say about everything else too.
― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 17 October 2002 22:50 (twenty-three years ago)
incidentally there was a thread a few months ago where we wondered what Williamson did before he became an old-fart music hack in that he wasn't a young buck at the NME or MM like Adam Sweeting used to be etc etc - according to a '97 Uncut, NW worked for Tony Benn and wrote Marxist tracts, before becoming editor-in-chief of the Labour Party's publications and was press officer to Neil Kinnock during the '87 election. then he took the Murdoch shilling and became political correspondent of the Times (if this was pre-Blair it would have been UNEQUIVOCALLY anti-Labour of course - it still is instinctively), then diary editor (yeeucch!), then news editor, then somehow scraped into writing about music for them. that kind of says it all ...
oh, and Jody - you will know soon, my friend, you will know soon :).
― robin carmody (robin carmody), Thursday, 17 October 2002 23:21 (twenty-three years ago)
― Andy K (Andy K), Friday, 18 October 2002 01:17 (twenty-three years ago)
I only contribute reviews at the moment (or at least have just started to; the first lot will appear in the November issue) rather than features, but the truth alas is far less glamorous; Paul Lester rings me up every so often, reels off a list of albums in which I might be interested and I then tick 'em off.
Yes, the star ratings system I've never liked - seems to me that logically everything should get either five stars or no stars, i.e. it's worth spending money on or it isn't - but putting it into practice is more difficult. The sad truth is that to an extent I do get to choose which albums to review, and naturally I'm going to gravtitate towards records/artists in which I might be interested. The consequence is a lot of four-star reviews, which I agree isn't very helpful, but the fact is most of the records I've been sent so far I've really, really liked, or would have gone out and bought anyway. There's only really been one stinker so far; perhaps I ought to ask PL for some more stinkers, just to sharpen one's critical acumen. Or else do some really obvious artists and find something original to say about them in the 100 words per review I am generally allotted.
It's certainly a good exercise in discipline trying to encapsulate the essence of a record in 100 words, even though to those familiar with CoM they may look weirdly like abstracts or precis of CoM articles (indeed, a few "director's cuts" have already appeared on CoM, including the Beth Gibbons piece, which I understand from Polydor that BG has read).
I obviously can't talk too much here about the current internal politics of Uncut, but from my point of view it's definitely an advantage that someone like PL, who certainly doesn't march to the same drum as Jonesey or the sundry Nigels/Nicks, is their reviews editor.
― Marcello Carlin, Friday, 18 October 2002 07:02 (twenty-three years ago)
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 18 October 2002 07:32 (twenty-three years ago)
The Uncut reviews seem to cover a wider range of artists than could ever hope to get features. As Marcello says, this must be down to Paul Lester. Morley hasn't written anything for a while, nor Penman IIRC, but Stubbs, Reynolds etc are good. The features are truly wretched - how much longer can they keep wringing out features on Lennon/Beatles/Stones/Dylan? Must be time for Hendrix again soon.
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 18 October 2002 09:57 (twenty-three years ago)
― James Ball, Friday, 18 October 2002 11:04 (twenty-three years ago)
Yes, yes I know how mag circulation works. The problem is - they DON'T write the *decent articles on the more obscure stuff*!! Actually Mojo does a better job of this, but still not good enough.
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 18 October 2002 11:51 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 18 October 2002 11:59 (twenty-three years ago)
― jel -- (jel), Friday, 18 October 2002 12:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― James Ball, Friday, 18 October 2002 12:35 (twenty-three years ago)
- they are commercial publications published by companies whose fiduciary duty is to maximise shareholder's funds- if there is a profitable market for what they do then someone will do it, whether they do or not.
If Uncut and Mojo do a bad job of giving their readers what they want - for example by getting the mix of obvious and obscure stuff wrong - they will not survive. Their editor's jobs are not to publish the hippest magazine on the stands but to maximise profits and the chances of their magazine's survival.
Obviously these difficulties could be addressed by a simple abolition of the free market and its replacement by a dictatorship of the self-consciously hip.
― ArfArf, Friday, 18 October 2002 12:37 (twenty-three years ago)
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 18 October 2002 12:37 (twenty-three years ago)
Is there really a need for a generalist music mag?
― Tom (Groke), Friday, 18 October 2002 12:47 (twenty-three years ago)
Come on Tom I woz expecting you to analyse this on NYLPM !
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 18 October 2002 12:51 (twenty-three years ago)
Best New Act
The Bees
Best Single
Sugababes - Freak Like Me
Best Video
Eminem - Without Me
Best Producer
Rik Rubin for Red Hot Chili Peppers - By the Way
NB not because of the RHCP but because of his re-recording of the new Andrew WK song.
Best Live Act
White Stripes
(only ones I've seen)
Best album
Doves - The Last Broadcast
(never heard it but at least one person I like likes it.)
Best act in the world today
Radiohead
Q Unwanted
Geri Haliwell
Hooray for analysis!
― Tom (Groke), Friday, 18 October 2002 12:58 (twenty-three years ago)
― Aaron W., Friday, 18 October 2002 13:08 (twenty-three years ago)
Incidentally, I recall that Uncut was much more differentiated from Mojo (ie "hipper") when it first started. I don't know why it became more conservative but I'd bet it was because it could sell more magazines. ie, they found out what their readers actually wanted.
No Adorno quoting responses, please.
Aaron: yes but what they can charge for an add depends on sales.
― ArfArf, Friday, 18 October 2002 13:10 (twenty-three years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Friday, 18 October 2002 13:16 (twenty-three years ago)
But those types in the UK have Classic Rock and Q. In the US: Spin and Rolling Stone.
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 18 October 2002 13:23 (twenty-three years ago)
― Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Friday, 18 October 2002 14:29 (twenty-three years ago)
this is just not true.
― joan vich (joan vich), Friday, 18 October 2002 14:48 (twenty-three years ago)
― ArfArf, Friday, 18 October 2002 15:19 (twenty-three years ago)
― robin carmody (robin carmody), Friday, 18 October 2002 19:44 (twenty-three years ago)
I'm not sure whether that was sarcrasm or not, but the target audiences for these mags and Mojo overlap only slightly- I'm a fan of Mojo because they make features on a lot of past music, not just Beatles and Dylan (whom I never tire of reading about either, but then I'm a fan) but also Larry Williams, Funkadelic, Sugarhill Records, The Deviants, etc. I don't think this is atypical of their target audience, and I most certainly will not find it in any of the other rags you mentioned.
― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 18 October 2002 21:15 (twenty-three years ago)
conversely the one-off articles on other acts, eg interesting oddball english stuff, ok it's nice that anybody is taking on the paradoxical stranglers or the phenomenal van der graff generator, but then mojo does seem to fall into the trap of being too general, trying to cover a whole band with one article, usually leaving me wanting more
it's not that it's lip service to these more marginal acts because mojo did include them in the first place presumably as some half-way labour of love, but the stranglers have all just been re-mastered, van der graff have a new-ish box set out, so the commercial links are still there -- these articles leaving me wanting more, so am i meant to go out and buy this re-rotated stuff ? i never expected a 2cd greatest hits form pink floyd for instance, but there they were, cover story and all
my conclusion is that buying mojo once a month is much more prudent than actually buying into the record companies endless cd re-issue racket, just so i know some of what's going on in the nostalgia industry, and occasionally i'll take the bait
― george gosset (gegoss), Friday, 18 October 2002 23:26 (twenty-three years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 19 October 2002 09:39 (twenty-three years ago)
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 19 October 2002 10:00 (twenty-three years ago)
If Mark S was here he could confirm that he left the NME at least partially because they'd just introduced marks out of ten in the reviews section (1988).mark s, if you're listening...please explain why this is a bad thing. (the 1-10 scale, I mean.)
― Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Saturday, 19 October 2002 15:44 (twenty-three years ago)
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 19 October 2002 19:35 (twenty-three years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 19 October 2002 23:50 (twenty-three years ago)
― Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Sunday, 20 October 2002 02:10 (twenty-three years ago)
― Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Sunday, 20 October 2002 02:11 (twenty-three years ago)
Substitute "great" for "garbage" and I'd agree 99%. Shift "fucking" from before "rating" to before "review" and it's 100%.
― ArfArf, Sunday, 20 October 2002 11:51 (twenty-three years ago)
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 20 October 2002 12:17 (twenty-three years ago)
― Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Monday, 21 October 2002 00:11 (twenty-three years ago)