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How does it feel to have to write features every single fucking month about the Beatles, Dylan and the Rolling Stones? Who are these things being written for? What new is there to say? Is it strange to be doing a job that's both a dream one (features writer at a big music monthly) and a terrible one (repetitive as hell)?

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Thursday, 17 October 2002 16:48 (twenty-three years ago)

But they also get to write every single month about Syd Barrett and Status Quo and Fairport Convention! Every single month!

Jody Beth Rosen, Thursday, 17 October 2002 17:17 (twenty-three years ago)

I would buy an all-Edgar Broughton Band issue of either magazine.

Andy K (Andy K), Thursday, 17 October 2002 17:36 (twenty-three years ago)

...and in the case of Uncut, how does it feel not to be allowed to award anything less than *** and be almost obliged to award the full ***** to ... well just about anything vaguely tolerable

Geoff, Thursday, 17 October 2002 17:38 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes, I noticed in Uncut that high marks go to everything. Once on the books page they reviewed something like 10 books, giving half ***** and the other half ****. I did buy the latest issue, which was my first for a long time, and I thought that his had changed slightly. I saw a lot more low scores.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Thursday, 17 October 2002 17:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Marcello Carlin writes for Uncut.

Now, all we want is for Nigel Williamson or Allan Jones to turn up here :).

robin carmody (robin carmody), Thursday, 17 October 2002 18:07 (twenty-three years ago)

ps: Jody, I have a long unpublished Fairport piece here, but it goes on about the railway modernisation plan and Coventry Cathedral (it's a long story) so *obviously* Mojo and Uncut wouldn't want it ...

robin carmody (robin carmody), Thursday, 17 October 2002 18:10 (twenty-three years ago)

not that it really matters... but if a mag writes mostly about classics from the 60's and 70's don't you think those classics would generally get high ratings? they are "classics" right?

or?
m.

msp, Thursday, 17 October 2002 18:11 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd buy three copies of an all-Duck Rock issue of Uncut.

Andy K (Andy K), Thursday, 17 October 2002 18:16 (twenty-three years ago)

not that it really matters... but if a mag writes mostly about classics from the 60's and 70's don't you think those classics would generally get high ratings? they are "classics" right?

Last time I look at one at the newsstand, these mags run reviews of new music alongside nostalgic cover features on "classic" rock. So they're sort of separate problems. (Or I could be wrong.)

wl (wl), Thursday, 17 October 2002 18:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Uncut or Mojo aren't all that bad. Just stuck in the past.
I do agree that theres nothing new to say about musicians from the 60s or 70s (except if they are very very obscure, like say, the Monks or the International Submarine Band or Lothar and the Hand People.) But I'd really like to see them inch forward into the 80s.
Or even better, non-famous 80s. (ie. not an endless stream of U2BrucePrinceMadonnaMichaelJackson U2BrucePrinceMadonnaMichaelJackson U2BrucePrinceMadonnaMichaelJackson U2BrucePrinceMadonnaMichaelJackson...)

Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Thursday, 17 October 2002 18:21 (twenty-three years ago)

I guess it's obvious, but Uncut's post-punk issue about a year ago -- with a lead piece by Mr. Reynolds -- was a bit of a revelation in that department. I find the lengthy pieces interesting and, while they _can_ feel pretty tedious, Mojo and Uncut are good reading when I'm 1) on the toilet or 2) have some time to kill at the bookstore. I just wish they weren't so damned expensive in the States (they're up to almost $10 a pop!!).

Aaron W., Thursday, 17 October 2002 18:32 (twenty-three years ago)

I have a long unpublished Fairport piece here, but it goes on about the railway modernisation plan and Coventry Cathedral (it's a long story)

Hey, that sounds interesting. How do you tie all that in with Fairport?

Jody Beth Rosen, Thursday, 17 October 2002 18:34 (twenty-three years ago)

I do get bored with the some of the sixties-obsession of Mojo (although I could look at pictures of the early Stones every month and love it), but do feel they cover other unusual stuff too. And they did an article on Jobriath!!

Sean (Sean), Thursday, 17 October 2002 18:44 (twenty-three years ago)

yes, my gripe about **** and ***** is more about new releases than re-releases. Of course the argument goes that they wouldn't bother reviewing stuff worth * or **. The whole marking *****'s debate is prolly covered elsewhere here, but (assuming we want a handy guide) the preponderance of **** and ***** isn't helpful in discerning the mediocre from the merely good and the great.

Geoff, Thursday, 17 October 2002 18:47 (twenty-three years ago)

And they did an article on Jobriath!!

Enough about Fischerspooner already!!

Aaron W, Thursday, 17 October 2002 18:52 (twenty-three years ago)

I appreciate that a lot of more obscure stuff is contained inside the magazines. But both of them very regularly feature Beatles/Stones/Dylan on the cover (Mojo especially) which necessitates hefty 10 page features. This isn't much different than, say, the NME, which has the Strokes etc on its cover often, except for the fact that you can at least interview the Strokes, or they may have new songs, be playing live, stuff like that. This is why my original question was directed at the writers of these articles. How do you approach a new Beatles article when it's time to do one (i.e a couple of months after the last one)? Does it feel like you're just churning it out? Or is it possible to feel like you're saying something new, or at least helping to clarify some minor historical detail?

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Thursday, 17 October 2002 19:04 (twenty-three years ago)

How does a person hook up with a magazine of that grandeur in terms of being a contributor? Anyone know?

Leon Neyfakh, Thursday, 17 October 2002 19:27 (twenty-three years ago)

Maybe I'm just being cynical, but I suspect "score inflation" (the habit of giving everything 4 and 5 stars) comes from the record company handing the reviewer a big stack of cash.
"I'll give you $50,000 for a four star and $100,000 for a five..."

Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Thursday, 17 October 2002 22:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Maybe I'm just being cynical, but I suspect "score inflation" (the habit of giving everything 4 and 5 stars) comes from the record company handing the reviewer a big stack of cash.
"I'll give you $50,000 for a four star and $100,000 for a five..."

Cut three noughts off those figures and it's *just* possible you might be onto something there, Custos. Although it's more likely to be payment in kind, methinks: I've heard many a tale from reliable sources of "here's some drugs, please be nice to our band"-type stuff in the past. In fact, I guess it's even happened to me once or twice - lucky I have a will of iron...

Charlie (Charlie), Thursday, 17 October 2002 22:27 (twenty-three years ago)

Now, call me old fashioned, but I frankly think these reviewers are selling themselves too cheap. $50-$100 (even in cash rather than drugs) is waaaaay to little as far as I'm converned. I'd be tempted to rant about "what ever happened to journalistic integrity..." but I know I'm just blowing smoke up my own ass.
Maybe if the editors gort rid of all the dopefiends on their staff...

Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Thursday, 17 October 2002 22:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Christ almighty if I'd known about £50K bungs I'd have got a pint or two off Marcello!

There is a lot still to say about the Beatles, Dylan and The Stones. The problem is there's a lot still to say about everything else too.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 17 October 2002 22:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Uncut was *definitely* better when it started. I was looking through some 1997 issues the other day and was struck by how much fresher they were than Mojo has ever been, or than Uncut is now. obviously there was too much Oasis fawning, but *everyone* was guilty of that at the time, and generally it was well-written. even Dave Simpson wasn't such a bad writer there and then, though Nigel Williamson was shite, OBVIOUSLY.

incidentally there was a thread a few months ago where we wondered what Williamson did before he became an old-fart music hack in that he wasn't a young buck at the NME or MM like Adam Sweeting used to be etc etc - according to a '97 Uncut, NW worked for Tony Benn and wrote Marxist tracts, before becoming editor-in-chief of the Labour Party's publications and was press officer to Neil Kinnock during the '87 election. then he took the Murdoch shilling and became political correspondent of the Times (if this was pre-Blair it would have been UNEQUIVOCALLY anti-Labour of course - it still is instinctively), then diary editor (yeeucch!), then news editor, then somehow scraped into writing about music for them. that kind of says it all ...

oh, and Jody - you will know soon, my friend, you will know soon :).

robin carmody (robin carmody), Thursday, 17 October 2002 23:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Is Morley still contributing to Uncut at all? I haven't picked up an issue in over a year. Granted I now have a reason to pay attention again...

Andy K (Andy K), Friday, 18 October 2002 01:17 (twenty-three years ago)

Blimey I wish I DID get £50K bungs - would solve a lot of my problems!

I only contribute reviews at the moment (or at least have just started to; the first lot will appear in the November issue) rather than features, but the truth alas is far less glamorous; Paul Lester rings me up every so often, reels off a list of albums in which I might be interested and I then tick 'em off.

Yes, the star ratings system I've never liked - seems to me that logically everything should get either five stars or no stars, i.e. it's worth spending money on or it isn't - but putting it into practice is more difficult. The sad truth is that to an extent I do get to choose which albums to review, and naturally I'm going to gravtitate towards records/artists in which I might be interested. The consequence is a lot of four-star reviews, which I agree isn't very helpful, but the fact is most of the records I've been sent so far I've really, really liked, or would have gone out and bought anyway. There's only really been one stinker so far; perhaps I ought to ask PL for some more stinkers, just to sharpen one's critical acumen. Or else do some really obvious artists and find something original to say about them in the 100 words per review I am generally allotted.

It's certainly a good exercise in discipline trying to encapsulate the essence of a record in 100 words, even though to those familiar with CoM they may look weirdly like abstracts or precis of CoM articles (indeed, a few "director's cuts" have already appeared on CoM, including the Beth Gibbons piece, which I understand from Polydor that BG has read).

I obviously can't talk too much here about the current internal politics of Uncut, but from my point of view it's definitely an advantage that someone like PL, who certainly doesn't march to the same drum as Jonesey or the sundry Nigels/Nicks, is their reviews editor.

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 18 October 2002 07:02 (twenty-three years ago)

I dread to think what kind of 'bungs' Pedro Almodovar dishes out to compliant Uncut reviewers...

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 18 October 2002 07:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Mojo has improved recently - the reggae issue, the soul issue sugarhill article etc There have been some fantastic articles over the years too - Krautrock, XTC, van der graaf, Abba etc etc. I like the record collectors thingy at the back too. The reviews section is fairly hopeless.

The Uncut reviews seem to cover a wider range of artists than could ever hope to get features. As Marcello says, this must be down to Paul Lester. Morley hasn't written anything for a while, nor Penman IIRC, but Stubbs, Reynolds etc are good. The features are truly wretched - how much longer can they keep wringing out features on Lennon/Beatles/Stones/Dylan? Must be time for Hendrix again soon.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 18 October 2002 09:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Well they (pretty obviously) sell shed-loads more copies whenever the Beatles etc are on the cover (and it is amusing when they bring out 4 different covers so the completists have to shell out 4 times over) and they operate in a pretty cut-throat business. (How many redundancies/mag closures have EMAP/IPC had to make in the last couple of years?) If having The Beatles on the cover every few months means they can both still operate and write decent articles on more obscure stuff then what's the problem? Putting someone like Robert Wyatt on the cover would be fantastic but they'd sell fuck-all copies.

James Ball, Friday, 18 October 2002 11:04 (twenty-three years ago)

**If having The Beatles on the cover every few months means they can both still operate and write decent articles on more obscure stuff then what's the problem?**

Yes, yes I know how mag circulation works. The problem is - they DON'T write the *decent articles on the more obscure stuff*!! Actually Mojo does a better job of this, but still not good enough.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 18 October 2002 11:51 (twenty-three years ago)

In fairness, if it's as Marcello says and people are reviewing stuff they're into, then what harm. God knows it's easy to slate a record, so very easy.

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 18 October 2002 11:59 (twenty-three years ago)

I wanna write for Classic Rock magazine!

jel -- (jel), Friday, 18 October 2002 12:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Well fair enough, Dr C, if you don't like the other stuff they do. But in the current publishing climate you've probably got a choice of Mojo & Uncut running along similar lines to where they are at the moment (and growing in circulation in a shrinking magazine market) or a world where the truly appalling Q is the only mass market music monthly. If you want cutting edge then buy The Wire.
I know it's a pain in the arse talking about business when we're talking about music, but I'd rather have them here than not.

James Ball, Friday, 18 October 2002 12:35 (twenty-three years ago)

Hmmm. I don't know any details about the economics of these particular magazines, but the hard facts are:

- they are commercial publications published by companies whose fiduciary duty is to maximise shareholder's funds
- if there is a profitable market for what they do then someone will do it, whether they do or not.

If Uncut and Mojo do a bad job of giving their readers what they want - for example by getting the mix of obvious and obscure stuff wrong - they will not survive. Their editor's jobs are not to publish the hippest magazine on the stands but to maximise profits and the chances of their magazine's survival.

Obviously these difficulties could be addressed by a simple abolition of the free market and its replacement by a dictatorship of the self-consciously hip.

ArfArf, Friday, 18 October 2002 12:37 (twenty-three years ago)

But from the answers to this thread many people don't want the same olde 60s rock heritage recycled again and again !

DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 18 October 2002 12:37 (twenty-three years ago)

MOJO I think does do a good job of writing well about the obscure and the not-obscure. Pretty awful on most of my favourite musics but good enough on the ones I quite like to keep buying.

Is there really a need for a generalist music mag?

Tom (Groke), Friday, 18 October 2002 12:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Q magazine indeed is totally naff, just look at the laughable Q Awards 2002: Nominations announced this week.

Come on Tom I woz expecting you to analyse this on NYLPM !

DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 18 October 2002 12:51 (twenty-three years ago)

OK DJ M here's who I want to win:

Best New Act

The Bees

Best Single

Sugababes - Freak Like Me

Best Video

Eminem - Without Me

Best Producer

Rik Rubin for Red Hot Chili Peppers - By the Way

NB not because of the RHCP but because of his re-recording of the new Andrew WK song.

Best Live Act

White Stripes

(only ones I've seen)

Best album

Doves - The Last Broadcast

(never heard it but at least one person I like likes it.)

Best act in the world today

Radiohead

Q Unwanted

Geri Haliwell


Hooray for analysis!

Tom (Groke), Friday, 18 October 2002 12:58 (twenty-three years ago)

This has been aluded to, but to generalize, I gotta say that my biggest gripe with journalism is the fact that advertising dollars shouldn't and yet does affects content. Basically, the real money is made off of ads, not sales, so when a record label takes out a full page ad, do you think that affects an editor's decision-making? It ranges from subtle to obvious (most ALL glossy music mags, which is why they're such shit) to the subtle. Anyway, I'd rate Uncut and Mojo as the whole pretty good, but occasionally I gotta wonder about why they're covering certain bands/artists (like the Beatles on the cover/sales bit above).

Aaron W., Friday, 18 October 2002 13:08 (twenty-three years ago)

But, DJ Martian, some people obviously do. And Mojo and Uncut are the magazines that cater for them (although I agree with Tom that the picture of Mojo painted here is a caricature). I know this conceptmay be too revolutionary for some, but even people who are not painfully hip are entitled to read magazines about the things they are interested in.

Incidentally, I recall that Uncut was much more differentiated from Mojo (ie "hipper") when it first started. I don't know why it became more conservative but I'd bet it was because it could sell more magazines. ie, they found out what their readers actually wanted.

No Adorno quoting responses, please.

Aaron: yes but what they can charge for an add depends on sales.

ArfArf, Friday, 18 October 2002 13:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Actually the thing I really like about Mojo is its tone of voice. I may have hipper-than-average music tastes (hem hem) but I don't want to be slapped on the back, chastised, shouted at, made to feel cooler, etc etc by magazines. Mojo just gets on with things, telling its stories in a pretty factual and humane way without any fawning or 'attitude'. This is where Careless Talk Costs Lives goes disasterously wrong for me despite its on-the-surface more interesting artist selection, and it's why Uncut is unreadable because it's copping young-punk attitude about 30-years-ago stuff.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 18 October 2002 13:16 (twenty-three years ago)

ArfArf sez "know this conceptmay be too revolutionary for some, but even people who are not painfully hip are entitled to read magazines about the things they are interested in."

But those types in the UK have Classic Rock and Q. In the US: Spin and Rolling Stone.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 18 October 2002 13:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes, the star ratings system I've never liked - seems to me that logically everything should get either five stars or no stars
I disagree. Thats as bad as reducing everything "It Sucks big Greasy Donkey Cock" or "It So Totally Rules I wanna Have its Baby"; If they were to officially use this as their rating system, they might as well just give up on the whole idea of writing reviews at all.

Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Friday, 18 October 2002 14:29 (twenty-three years ago)

'- if there is a profitable market for what they do then someone will do it, whether they do or not.'

this is just not true.

joan vich (joan vich), Friday, 18 October 2002 14:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Only not true in sense that the market doesn't always work perfectly in line with classical market theory. But it's still true enough for the purpose of my argument. If someone is making good profits selling magazines about The Beatles, The Rolling Stones and Bob Dylan and decide to do something different for non-economic reasons (eg the proprietor wants the social cachet attached to being more "cutting edge") other sources of capital will emerge to take advantage of that vacuum.


ArfArf, Friday, 18 October 2002 15:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Paul Lester is one of the good guys, yes. If Mark S was here he could confirm that he left the NME at least partially because they'd just introduced marks out of ten in the reviews section (1988).

robin carmody (robin carmody), Friday, 18 October 2002 19:44 (twenty-three years ago)

But those types in the UK have Classic Rock and Q. In the US: Spin and Rolling Stone.

I'm not sure whether that was sarcrasm or not, but the target audiences for these mags and Mojo overlap only slightly- I'm a fan of Mojo because they make features on a lot of past music, not just Beatles and Dylan (whom I never tire of reading about either, but then I'm a fan) but also Larry Williams, Funkadelic, Sugarhill Records, The Deviants, etc. I don't think this is atypical of their target audience, and I most certainly will not find it in any of the other rags you mentioned.

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 18 October 2002 21:15 (twenty-three years ago)

i think mojo's cover stories do pay the bills and even with the big acts mojo tries and takes some unique maybe incident/album based skew on them, which is the sort of non-general stuff i haven't read before, and maybe it's less biased, less myth-oriented, more ordinary, honest, believable -- it allows me to approach rock stars as humans, which others mags don't let me do -- so as part of the continuing story of the rolling stones for example, i find i can read the article and not get bored with stuff i already knew about big band such'n'such since that general knowledge is usually taken for granted and left out

conversely the one-off articles on other acts, eg interesting oddball english stuff, ok it's nice that anybody is taking on the paradoxical stranglers or the phenomenal van der graff generator, but then mojo does seem to fall into the trap of being too general, trying to cover a whole band with one article, usually leaving me wanting more

it's not that it's lip service to these more marginal acts because mojo did include them in the first place presumably as some half-way labour of love, but the stranglers have all just been re-mastered, van der graff have a new-ish box set out, so the commercial links are still there -- these articles leaving me wanting more, so am i meant to go out and buy this re-rotated stuff ? i never expected a 2cd greatest hits form pink floyd for instance, but there they were, cover story and all

my conclusion is that buying mojo once a month is much more prudent than actually buying into the record companies endless cd re-issue racket, just so i know some of what's going on in the nostalgia industry, and occasionally i'll take the bait

george gosset (gegoss), Friday, 18 October 2002 23:26 (twenty-three years ago)

"i never expected a 2cd greatest hits from pink floyd"??? george this is the weirdest thing you have ever said!!

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 19 October 2002 09:39 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah that's quite something.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 19 October 2002 10:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm a fan of Mojo because they make features on a lot of past music, not just Beatles and Dylan (whom I never tire of reading about either, but then I'm a fan)
Yes...but I believe Mojo has finally strip-mined the 60s, and have made great *cough* progress *cough cough* exploring every nook and cranny of the 70s. I think its about time they move past 1977 and begin some exploration of the 1980s. I don't care if their cover story is still some burnt-out 60s/70s artifact as long as they turn their vision toward something post-punk occasionally.

If Mark S was here he could confirm that he left the NME at least partially because they'd just introduced marks out of ten in the reviews section (1988).
mark s, if you're listening...please explain why this is a bad thing. (the 1-10 scale, I mean.)

Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Saturday, 19 October 2002 15:44 (twenty-three years ago)

the ratings is garbage becuz you can just look at the fucking rating and not have to read the review really (unless its for things that are not played on the radio).

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 19 October 2002 19:35 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah pretty much what julio and marcello said

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 19 October 2002 23:50 (twenty-three years ago)

No, I see it the other way 'round. If the score is very high or very low, that grabs my attention. I especially love low numbers, because I get sadistic pleasure from an irate critic ripping into a rancid record.

Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Sunday, 20 October 2002 02:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh...I also think that reviews without a score comes off as vague and wishy-washy. If they put a score to it, then they have to defend it.

Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Sunday, 20 October 2002 02:11 (twenty-three years ago)

"the ratings is garbage becuz you can just look at the fucking rating and not have to read the review."

Substitute "great" for "garbage" and I'd agree 99%. Shift "fucking" from before "rating" to before "review" and it's 100%.

ArfArf, Sunday, 20 October 2002 11:51 (twenty-three years ago)

I can understand that even though i can't agree with it (what with the quality of music revs nowdays).

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 20 October 2002 12:17 (twenty-three years ago)

And a scale from 1-10 is loads better than that flaky system that Robert Christgau uses? I keep asking myself "I know that 'Turkey' is bad and 'Bomb' is worse...But what does 'Scissors' or 'Hamhock' mean? And is his three star better or worse than an A+?"

Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Monday, 21 October 2002 00:11 (twenty-three years ago)


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