October 11th 2014 will be the 20th Anniversary of the shitstain on music that was Nu-Metal.

By May 1994, Korn began recording their debut album with Ross Robinson.[31] It was finished recording by the end of June 1994.[32] On October 11, 1994, Korn released a self–titled album through Immortal Records, an Epic imprint label,[33] which peaked at number one on the Heatseekers Albums chart,[34] and would eventually reach number seventy-two on the Billboard 200 in February 1996.[8] The album received positive reviews by critics, and it is said to have established the new wave of metal.[35][36] As well as sparking the nu metal genre, the album also started record producer Ross Robinson's music career.[35] It also influenced other bands, such as Slipknot, Coal Chamber, and Limp Bizkit.[35]

Kerrang coined them as Nu-metal (presumably because they though "metal" was dead in the wake of grunge and had to sell this new music to kids.)

How will you all be celebrating?

Nu metal is also sometimes noted for participation of women in the genre in contrast to some other metal genres,[26] including bands such as Coal Chamber,[27] Otep[28] and the all-female band Kittie.[29] Because there was no women making metal, ever before this.

Nu metal vocal styles range between singing, rapping, screaming and death growling, sometimes using multiple of these styles within one song. The lyrics of many nu metal bands focus on pain and personal alienation, similar to that of grunge,[30] rather than the themes of other metal subgenres.[6][22] Nu metal uses the traditional pop structure of verses, choruses and bridges, contrasting it with other metal genres such as thrash and death metal.[31]

Trevor Baker of The Guardian wrote "Bands such as Linkin Park, Korn and even the much reviled Limp Bizkit also, incidentally, did far more to break down the artificial barriers between "urban music" and rock than any of their more critically acceptable counterparts. Their concerts also drew huge numbers of women, which is much more than you could say for any old-metal band."[32] Nu metal fashion can include baggy shirts, sports jerseys and jackets, basketball singlets and shorts, hoodies, cargo pants, sweatpants, dreadlocks, spiky hair, crew cuts, body piercings, tattoos, long hair, jumpsuits and sweatsuits

How will you all be celebrating?

― ۩, Saturday, May 17, 2014 9:45 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

From inside the KORN KAGE!!!1!! \m/ \m/

http://www.geocities.ws/lowrider1424/Pictures/Head/head_cage.jpg

lol, is that for real? Maybe they saw this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jBlp9nTT9U

Max Cavalera was responsible for nu-metal getting credibility initially actually. Then Ozzfest after that. I still didn't see it becoming a huge mainstream thing by 2000 though.

http://www.nme.com/blogs/nme-blogs/as-britpops-derided-on-its-20th-birthday-how-will-other-genres-fare/?recache=123699

Yeah, it's totally for real! I remember reading about the whole Korn Kage thing in Kerrang! at some point in the late '90s/early '00s... and while Googling for that image, I've just read that they've actually brought it back recently too... offering VIP packages where fans can stand and watch the band from inside the kage...

dear god. Youre about the right age to be a nu metal fan right? I guess at school you had the choice of being pop kid/raver/britpopper or nu-metaller/goth. What were you?

Yeah, I would have just been finishing school/starting college when the whole nu-metal thing peaked in popularity, which coincided with the start of my prog rock phase.

did you wear nu-metal gear?

One time Korn came to a record store on the outskirts of Atlanta for a signing and I think this was right after "Follow the Leader" with the disco metal breakthrough songs. I stayed in the car playing videogames because I didn't like them at all, but my bros got some drum heads and CDs signed. I remember them pulling into the parking lot with 2 black stretch Hummers and thinking it was kind of funny, cos this was a dinky little music store and these guys were trying to look like rocks stars.

The scatting in "Freak on a Leash" is all-time insane. SA-UMMM-HUUM-NA-INNA SA-UMMM-HUUM-NA-INNA

There's the 90s right there, put that next to a screenshot of Sub Zero ripping someone's spine out.

did you wear nu-metal gear?

― ۩, Saturday, May 17, 2014 11:30 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You mean like hoodies and chains and stuff? Fuck no.

I also recall every band having the guitar/bass straps really long so the instrument is belt-height, and non-singing members always doing a Charles Manson stare into the camera at every single opportunity. Whenever I see a picture of Nikki Minaj do that nowadays it brings that era to mind.

Bassists always had goatees, baseball caps and pulled faces like the twat from nofx too. It was the law

so apparently its quite a year for 20th anniversaries
Pantera's Far Beyond Driven Celebrates 20th Anniversary

Hahahahahahaha... that thrills you no end, no doubt!

i hated them so much

was there any Canadian or Australian nu-metal bands?

Chore, to the former. (They were actually p fucking great.)

Never heard of them

Algerian Grudgekeeper posts about nu-metal sound like a dude who can't stop talking about how terrible his ex-girlfriend was when absolutely nobody else ever brings it up

Some Dud is just butthurt some people do not like his favourite music of his childhood.

Yeah, nu-metal was huge in Canada, but we didn't have many bands of our own. Serial Joe went rap-rock at one point. http://youtu.be/Gmmv2GITQcs

shoulda just titled it "ITT we openly shit on nu-metal"

I mean I pretty much hated nu-metal but don't we already have other threads (including the various Rolling metal threads) where we go GAWRSH THAT SHIT SUCKED?

Some Dud is just butthurt some people do not like his favourite music of his childhood.

― ۩, Sunday, May 18, 2014 12:49 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh i hated nu metal in the 90s too. and then the world moved on from paying it any attention, and so did i.

OP kinda like the isolated soldier wandering around in the woods in tattered clothes in 1993, having to be told the Vietnam War was over

i will say, nu metal basically became 'metalcore' right? when i write concert listings, some weeks it seems like half the shows at mid-sized venues are metalcore.

i mean metalcore serves the same function i guess. developed out of a different scene though

anyway

Algerian Grudgekeeper posts about nu-metal sound like a dude who can't stop talking about how terrible his ex-girlfriend was when absolutely nobody else ever brings it up

otm

*yawn*

it must be awful for you all to be repeatedly forced to click on this thread against your will.

i will say, nu metal basically became 'metalcore' right?

no

oh ok ::shrugs::

from wiki

Metalcore is a broad fusion genre of extreme metal and hardcore punk. The name is an amalgam of the names of the two genres, distinguished by its emphasis on breakdowns,[1] which are slow, intense passages that are conducive to moshing.[2] Pioneering bands, such as— Hogan's Heroes,[3][4] Earth Crisis, and Integrity,[4][5] —are described to lean more toward hardcore punk, whereas latter bands—Killswitch Engage, Underoath, All That Remains, Trivium, As I Lay Dying, Bullet for My Valentine, and The Devil Wears Prada —are described to lean more towards metal.

It is just as shite as nu-metal though.

then there is neanderthal's beloved deathcore as well
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deathcore

Nu-metal albums I still like

Korn's first two
Around the Fur
System Of A Down's first one
Slipknot's first one

And Rage Against The Machine, but I'm fairly sure they don't count as nu metal

Limp Bizkit are the band that I am most embarrassed about ever liking

Nah i think some dude has a point. While it did evolve from a different scene and has a greater pedigree of musician, metalcore serves a similar function.

It is a watered down form of metal with more commercially viable elements to attract listeners who might not listen to metal. Much of it has also adopted the narcisissm and banal pathos of nu-metal (while eschewing the genre-in-a-blender approach of nu-metal).

And in many ways it is well-received by a large cross-section of the same folk that loved nu-metal.

I also hate it for the most part but it's at least more listenable than nu-metal.

You dont like White Pony or you dont consider it as nu-metal?
xp

If some dude is saying that nu metal fans became metalcore fans then he may be correct however i dont really think the 2 genres have anything in common musically. But maybe an actual muso may differ?

there's a lot of great metalcore that in its best moments more resembles tech death with really earnest and sometimes unfortunately intelligible lyrics, underoath, august burns red, misery signals, the last two devil wears prada records

from the wikipedia deathcore link

Emmure has been credited to be heavily influenced by nu metal[44] and was described as "the new Limp Bizkit".[45]

this is like the fifth algerian goalkeeper thread where i've posted this playlist but this is a collection of actually good-to-great nu-metal http://open.spotify.com/user/unbornwhiskey/playlist/7DM4wgAaZRcHn0VbhEiAFC

I remember when converge/isis/anything hydrahead got labelled metalcore or screamo (or math-metal) initially.

Ew at DWP.

obviously musically metalcore and nu-metal are diff but al wasnt remotely saying the music was the same.

Were Fear Factory nu metal?

imo converge's hardcore pedigree technically inducts them into metalcore but i'm not gonna disagree if someone's like "nah"

devil wears prada started off as unbelievable garbage but the last two records have been seriously impressive idk

Converge are metalcore imo

i know, it's crazy

next you will be telling me Wheatus had a 3rd hit

yeah, morning view is a good album xp

incubus aren't really nu metal, though?

xps whatever I like that first Orgy album.

For some reason I had Linkin Park stuck in my head when I woke up this morning.

incubus aren't really nu metal, though?

whole lot of funk metal in enjoy incubus and science, which they later distanced themselves from

even then it was probably more in line with primus than korn

i'm so real i only listen to frog brigade and fieldy's dreams

pretty sure early on korn said they were influenced by the real thing era faith no more rather than helmet. hey thought they were funky (Hence the cameo cover)

What other nu-metal albums came out in 1994/95?
Deftones - Adrenaline i think was early 95?

Powerman 5000 had an album out apparently. Only thing I know about them is that it was rob zombies brother

David produced a Power man 5000 video on 90210 & got mad cuz Donna was dancing sexxy in the video

I love that AAF song Brad posted. Had it on a mix cd in college. Forgot about it til now.

Incubus had some serious jams and some awesome sounding snares. Not sure they belong itt but it'a a close call.

When was the point that nu-metal started to tail off in popularity? When Wes Borland left Limp Bizkit? When Korn released Untouchables and it was a relative flop? Slipknot putting out Iowa? I certainly remember nu-metal's popularity in the UK being over within maybe two or three years or something?

How much commercial impact did the first Korn have in the usa?

They were hugely popular from the off with Kerrang reading teens (esp high school kids) here but no crossover even if the singles did chart here.

I know the album influenced a LOT of bands but there was no underground scene as such was there? All the bands seemed to come out of nowhere on major labels and had certainly crossed over here by 1998. 1998-2003 it was impossible to avoid. Nu metal went mainstream here in a way grunge never did.
Not even Nirvana had a #1 single. Nor did sabbath or metallica or def leppard or guns n roses yet Limp Bizkit and Evanescence did in the UK.

what years was that turrican?

I have to say that there are a bunch of nu-metal bands here that I have never heard of
http://tinyurl.com/pkx7r3g

How much commercial impact did the first Korn have in the usa?

They were a cult fave until the day they got huge for some reason.

"Got the Life" on TRL was the sell-out moment, right?

I recall Deftones were "the only good" nu metal band according to some friends. I didn't listen to much but it seemed to be closer to what Nirvana was doing than anything with detuned Ibanez guitars.

First Deftones album was really the only one where they were lost inside the genre. Around the Fur was their escape—at least where people outside took notice—and then White Pony was when people began saying "Nu-metal is stupid, but have you heard Deftones?"

Yeah White Pony.

I bought the 1st 2 deftones at the time actually - they did *seem* different from korn but the 2nd and 3rd albums towered over the debut.

in the uk it was nu-metal from the off but in the us it had other labels initially didnt it? Wonder why the kerrang coined nu metal stuck

what years was that turrican?

― ۩, Tuesday, May 20, 2014 9:14 PM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I seem to remember nu-metal taking hold in a big way here in 1999 or thereabouts, and I started noticing it tapering off in 2002... it was definitely over by 2004 from what I remember.

Chino always came across kinda thoughtful whilst the korn guy was just a whiny shit who looked like the kind of guy who would beat you up on a streetcorner whilst hanging out

1995 the summer was full of tshirts for Korn, Machine Head & Sepultura. or Britpop bands. Even at an oasis gig in 1995 i saw a few korn shirts. same with t in the park.
Still shocked that a few years later it was so huuuuuge here.

for some real horror check out the ozzfest line ups during those years
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozzfest_lineups_by_year#Ozzfest_1996

I remember Neurosis getting serious shit for playing Ozzfest one year

It's really weird. I was aware of Korn, Deftones etc. when Britpop was in full swing, but I remember things changing re: nu-metal around the time that Korn's Issues was out, and especially when Slipknot released their self-titled album/the 'Wait In Bleed' single. A handful of months after that, and folks wearing Korn, Deftones and Slipknot hoodies seemed to be everywhere.

A by-product of the nu-metal thing is that grunge and pop-punk started to re-gain popularity, and people started taking the Red Hot Chili Peppers more seriously here than they ever had before, because Californication came out around that time.

Then, the peak hit, and things got incredibly fucking daft: 'Rollin' by Limp Bizkit getting to #1 and the success of the Chocolate Starfish album, Alien Ant Farm, Papa Roach, Mudvayne... fucking Sugarcoma... and also stuff happening alongside that, things like Wheatus and Bloodhound Gang's Hooray For Boobies, Blink 182's Enema Of The State. A seriously, seriously shit time.

And then people stopped giving a shit, but I'm trying to figure out at which point. In my mind, I seem to have Korn's Untouchables flopping as a moment where things started changing.

Offspring's Pretty Fly For A White Guy got to #1 too.

and let's not forget about Linkin Park, the "acceptable face" of nu-metal.

A handful of months after that, and folks wearing Korn, Deftones and Slipknot hoodies seemed to be everywhere.

seeing 8 & 9 year olds in Slipknot tshirts in the town centre was bizarre. My cousins eldest started primary school in 2001 and the older primary school kids mostly wore hoodies by linkin park/korn/slipknot etc. I expect that for high school kids but not primary.
Rock was never bigger in my lifetime. Strange times.

This also must have been the last of the big selling golden era of cds for the record companies?

Was nu metal a victim of post-Columbine witch hunt? I know Marilyn Manson was the main scapegoat but I can imagine TV spots for Slipknot rapidly vanishing in that atmosphere.

untouchables was the beginning of the end definitely though linkin park powered beyond that. i feel like some of the bands followed the staind narrative and transitioned invisibly into mope rock radio fare

nu-metal thread no. ____ where i post disturbed's "remember"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaptZgTDWEg

also a great song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvXO-W97LZs

and let's not forget about Linkin Park, the "acceptable face" of nu-metal.

I think that's because Chester can sing his ass off. Shame about the guy who raps, tho.

slipknot's iowa was very much their "we're not nu-metal, we've toured with slayer" album but it's also totally fucking incredible

did linkin park split up?

Supposedly there's a new album next month.

cosign the disturbed and mudvayne

not gonna even bother w/ this thread tho

Sum 41's Deryck Whibley is looking a bit rough these days, didn't know he was suffering from alcoholism.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/05/20/article-2633352-1E05BA0300000578-982_634x778.jpg

Sucks, but seems like a total non-sequitur in this thread.

I remember liking the second Disturbed album quite a bit at the time. Slipknot's Iowa is great, for the aggressive parts obviously but also for the weird noisy postpunk shit they pull on the slower songs. And Mudvayne's second album is prog-metal, not nu-metal.

i posted that story in the sum 41 thread yesterday

Most of this passed me by, but I do remember, at the time, my friends and I all thought the first Deftones record was a pretty blatant Quicksand-ripoff. Did this stuff grow out of post-hardcore like that at all? Or were we just wrong idiot teenagers?

current deftones bassist is from quicksand so i'd say yeah

i also often forget how much of quicksand i hear in the korn s/t but yeah i think it's there

I remember liking the second Disturbed album quite a bit at the time.

I did too. it's actually quite hooky and even though the production is blandly generic, David Draiman has some pretty passionate vocal performances on it. Really liked "Prayer", and "Remember".