GG Allin: Classic or Dud?

That said, "Die When You Die" off the no-home-should-be-without album, FREAKS FAGGOTS DRUNKS & JUNKIES does indeed have a semblance of a hook that's actually hummable and, dare I suggest, pretty "rockin'."

Still, to reduce your life to such a cartoonish punchline as our GG did is largely pretty tragic.

http:// www.chebucto.ns.ca/~ac139/ggallin.html

What's great is how serious he takes himself, thinking himself some dangerous, visionary artist and all, when he is in fact one of the biggest morons of all time. classic (note small C).

http://a llmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=Bxt5s8qm9btb4

Oh yes.

can anyone wise in the ways of psychology tell me why preppy-ish all-american type women would throw themselves at him? some really did; he sort of brags about it in interviews, and my friend witnessed said behavior prior to and during a gg show. like, this law school student was gazing at him raptly, earnestly talking about how she was madly in love with him..."gg, i want to have your babies", that kind of thing. what's that all about?

it was all too real, though, hence classic.

best line I've ever seen in a wikipedia entry:

"Allin retreated to a cabin in New Hampshire where he wrote what he considered to be his first masterpiece, Eat My Fuck."

'You Hate Me and I Hate You' is a great, great song, it's seriously a punk rock masterpiece. GG's singing on it sounds fresh and un-rehearsed and there is an unbeatable spirit to it that is a perfect exemplar of exactly what punk rock is, or, if you're generous, what Rock And Roll was supposed to be. A great song which I first heard on 'Louder and Faster - Hardcore Punk Vol. 1'. GG said something on Sally Jessy or Geraldo like "I am the gun, my music is the bullet, and the audience is the victim' and also 'I am Rock and Roll'. For these reasons, GG is classic, despite his deplorable life.

You Hate Me and I Hate You

the talk show thing is the only part that confuses me about this guy....

although the line, "If you got kids, those kids are gonna be my kids!" is kinda cool

Dud. GG Allin and Lenny Kravitz belong in the same subset: people who think music equals posturing.

people who think music equals posturing.

as much as GG's violent and disgusting schtick may have been some kind of bizarre act, it would appear that he lived that act more than similar people who aren't acting.

"Allin retreated to a cabin in New Hampshire where he wrote what he considered to be his first masterpiece, Eat My Fuck."

every age gets the Henry David Thoreau it deserves, i suppose

You Hate Me and I Hate You is indeed absolutely classic.

Has me interested in tracking down some more of the early stuff, and looks like it's been recnetly comped with a bunch of the earlier stuff he did with the Jabbers, Wayne Kramer etc. on an album of the same name.

(ha... last three letters of the youtube link were P0o)

GG is a creep and a dud.

At least he was real. He chose a path for himself and went with it. Most people would agree the path was wrong, but it was HIS path.

dude kinda inhabits both the classic and and dud realms simultaneously.

but it was HIS (socio)path.

agree with abbott, but also with stan. i mean, he was a creep and a dud and a gross delusional fuckhead and all the wrong people admire him, but he's also pretty much the only one of his kind (in pop, anyway). he did something that would otherwise not have been done. plus the music does sometimes touch the power. i guess he's classic because nothing that anyone says about him can compete on any level with what he actually did.

GG = classic, classic, classic. A necessary antidote to "musical geniuses" and "poptimism".

You guys would ban him in a heartbeat. You know, if he posted here.

If you have not fled in fear from GG in a club, you truly have not lived.

I respect that GG took the nihilistic aspect of punk to its logical extreme & showed Sid Vicious who's who, even it was only to serve as a warning to the kids about pursuing that end.

Oh, and I saw him get blown by a 15 year old boy once. Classic?

Only if little GG was covered in GG poo.

I respect that GG took the nihilistic aspect of punk to its logical extreme & showed Sid Vicious who's who, even it was only to serve as a warning to the kids about pursuing that end.

There was no rhyme, reason, purpose or point to GG Allin. There were no lessons to be learned. There is no rational slot in our world into which he fit. He had no reason for existing.

^ one way to say "classic"

Anyone ever hear the Longmont Potion Castle/G.G. throw down? "You can jerk it if you want".

OldHamSweat, are you NewBeefLover?

I am sooooo glad that GG died before he was turned into irony.

Me? I would never act like that twat. I am offended.

Hmm. :-)

Though I must say, NewBeefLover seems like an alright fella. A little abrasive, but kindhearted all the same. Where is he now?

There was no rhyme, reason, purpose or point to GG Allin. There were no lessons to be learned. There is no rational slot in our world into which he fit. He had no reason for existing. - right, so he personified the concept of nihilism, and the possibility that he did so unconsciously or unintentially and not affectedly made him a sort of ideal, the attainment of which would be impossible for most who would try to seek it, b/c they would be doing so self-consciously. Not that there's any glory in what GG was, mind you. Quite the opposite IMO.

Let us forgive the deceased NewBeefLover and try to remember some decent things about him. Everyone has good points. His were just a tad more obscured. Back to G.G.

I thought I saw you get banned by a 15 year old mod, is why I'm asking. But I was mistaken, apparently. Apologies.

Sydney Poitier or G.G. Allin? Who would you rather have a beer with?

I would rather GG not come to dinner.

he might shit on the roast.

Although I am not the ominous NewBeefLover I do have a certain fondness for his approach. It's fitting that this discussion is taking place in the G.G. Allin thread. Forgive him, even though he knows what he do.

Not dinner. A beer.

I'll take a 50yo single-malt w/ Sydney & a half-gallon of Early Times and some Hamm's with GG.

Oh, and I saw him get blown by a 15 year old boy once. Classic?

uh, no

I saw ____________________ by a 15 year old boy = new ILX meme.

I read some interview with him in Rollerderby which was defs steeped in irony – the ladies all treating him like he was Tiny Tim.

If GG had lived long enough to come out with a line of poo pets, for instance, that'd be the kind of irony I mean.

lol poo pets

are there any ilxors who remember the acoustic version of "I kill everything I fuck" by joseph cotton?

classic for that alone

whatever happened to that guy

just in case there was a demand for an acoustic cover of "I Kill Everything I Fuck"

the country album, carnival of excess, is Klassic. nice tunes, sweet gg croonings

the "boston lisa suckdog denial" 2-part on YouTube is incredibly psychotic and violent

I don't get why anyone would ever like this guy. He comes across like the most clueless, gigantic idiot that ever was.

not on carnival of excess. top shelf outlaw country

People like him because he's the one example of nihilism taken all the way to its conclusion. And what he did could never be repeated now, because information travels so much faster. If YouTubes of him grabbing women from the audience and pulling them around by their hair were posted while he was actually on tour, that would be the end of him (which would be a good thing).

My friend justifies his existence (former existence) by saying that it's useful to have someone define the line where art is taken too far. I disagree and say we never needed anyone to define that line...

the way people mindlessly worship him is very creepy

Who worships him?

I had a friend in high school who did. He was normally pretty intelligent.
through him i learned of plenty of others... maybe worship is a bit strong but people who looked up to him and thinking he was totally awesome and defending everything he did.

i kinda like GG and admire his scumfuckiness, but am also horrified by much of his act. classic-dud, then.

i mean, i find him much less offensive than, say, anal cunt.
http://www.returntothepit.com/rttppics/anal_cunt029_338757.jpg

If YouTubes of him grabbing women from the audience and pulling them around by their hair were posted while he was actually on tour, that would be the end of him (which would be a good thing).

this is interesting point, but I don't know if it's true - his reputation preceded him everywhere he went; it's not like his antics were a secret. people would warn promoters "this show isn't going to go well" but he managed to get bookings anyway.

the guy in the macabre t-shirt stage left in the AC picture is cracking me up.

Yeah, I hear you -- but I wonder if there is a difference between hearing about it and reading about it and actually seeing it on video and on demand. There is more litigation now in this post-Station fire era, also. Maybe someday there will be a test case.

Why would he want to perform naked with such a small dick? Maybe all his anger is because he was born with such a small unit. The word mangina comes to mind.

"Don't Talk to Me" and "NYC Tonite" are classics. Isn't there some sort of biblical injunction that if a fellow has but one classic he should be saved? There should be.

1) it has pretty much been said that GG was of over-average intelligence. Perhaps not emotional intelligence, but intellectual prowess.

2) embarassment is not an option-- fuck embarassment, expose yourself as the naked disgusting animal you are.

again, this is not me saying these things, this is just me playing devil's advocate.

If YouTubes of him grabbing women from the audience and pulling them around by their hair were posted while he was actually on tour, that would be the end of him (which would be a good thing).

i wouldn't be so sure of that -- GG's schtick was pretty well-known in hardcore/punk circles during the late 80s/early 90s. and while he never drew def leppard-type crowds, he wasn't lacking for fans back then (and served the weed out the squeamish [such as myself] well enough).

that is to say, his reputation was served to weed out the squeamish ... YouTube or not.

is that his brother who jump up and drags him off the woman?

uh, merle?

i think "hated" is pretty riveting watching and i find a lot of the youtube stuff compelling, but that doesn't make it classic anymore than finding 9/11 footage compelling makes 9/11 classic.

also this gem from dallas yertle: he was absolutely unconcerned with any societal/cultural norms/values...except insofar as he was determined to break all the taboos. o_O say what now?

GG Allin Throbblehead!

http://www.aggronautix.com/products.cfm?productid=2

one of the most hilariously inept videos i've ever seen in my life:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn8wNMvIQI0

cute tattooed girl does charming acoustic gg allin covers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB1rqv_Ct5A&feature=player_profilepage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUt7xow3usM&feature=related

Been playing the heck out of Occupation recently. Great party tune.

Tell her to play her other song.

not as good as the 'i kill everything i fuck' cover

"Allin retreated to a cabin in New Hampshire where he wrote what he considered to be his first masterpiece, Eat My Fuck."

every age gets the Henry David Thoreau it deserves, i suppose

― Eisbaer, Tuesday, October 14, 2008 12:29 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark

anytime i hear anyone praise walden pond, i immediately think about GG's walden-esque retreat to the woods and that there is no better rejoinder to the Thoreau myth.

http://www.sikrikmasks.com/pb/images/img165104d28fa3b27ff2.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJECT5rzhE4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soBnCn_wGhw

And...he makes the NY Times restaurant review section:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/18/dining/momofuku-nishi-review.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=mini-moth®ion=top-stories-below&WT.nav=top-stories-below&_r=0

Visited the National Bobblehead Hall of Fame and Museum today and was surprised to see the GG Allin throbblehead mentioned upthread

Classic.