why does everyone hate kathleen hanna so much?

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i mean really! i just can't figure it out! what have i missed?

in related matters, how come courtney love fans always say, "if you hate courtney love you obviously hate women"? yet no-one ever says "if you hate kathleen hanna, you obviously hate women". could it be that kathleen hanna fans just aren't that stupid?

― di smith (lucylurex), Thursday, 10 April 2003 23:03 (twenty-two years ago)

watch the hate roll in...

― di smith (lucylurex), Thursday, 10 April 2003 23:07 (twenty-two years ago)

yr probably right! thats rather silly logic "if you hate ___ you hate all women." i dont know why everyone hates kathleen hanna, no one i know hates her, they all think she's amazing and intelligent and sexy and say they'd go gay for her! i don't know enough about her, except i like some of her songs and that she's hott!

― rebekah (rebekah), Thursday, 10 April 2003 23:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, that's SUCKY. What a great word. Did she break up w/King Ad-Rock?

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 11 April 2003 01:32 (twenty-two years ago)

i don't know.

― di smith (lucylurex), Friday, 11 April 2003 02:39 (twenty-two years ago)

SUCKY is a great word, and should always be written in capitals.

― di smith (lucylurex), Friday, 11 April 2003 02:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Plenty of people love her, too. I mainly dislike her idea for "inspiring" her fans; make dodgy, rough, easy-to-improve-on records, as set out (most recent time I've read it, she's said it before) in her interview in the Punk Planet collected interviews book. I bet she was annoyed w/how great "Le Tigre" was.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 11 April 2003 03:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Also a lot of people maybe dislike the angry political things, which is kinda stupid, plenty of angry music is hella fun. The Stooges are always kinda frustrated and pissed off, and they enjoy it (and so do we), why can't that go for Hanna too? It's like Ren! "I'm... ANGRY! I LOVE BEING ANGRY!" Whereas Stimpy just likes that creepy "Happy Happy, Joy Joy" song... you see...

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 11 April 2003 03:39 (twenty-two years ago)

i like some dodgy and rough music. there is still merit in some of it. isn't being dodgy and rough part of a learning process? isn't all music-making part of a learning process? fair enough if you hate the people that don't learn anything - i can agree with that. but i think the good of inspiring people to make music outweighs the bad.

― di smith (lucylurex), Friday, 11 April 2003 04:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I love her phone message wot is on that Mike Watt rekkerd!

― gary k (gary k), Friday, 11 April 2003 05:29 (twenty-two years ago)

the stooges always sounded like they were having fun to me: i never really thought they were all that pissed off.

i wuv kathleen and want to be like her when i grow up.

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 11 April 2003 09:21 (twenty-two years ago)

They were having fun BEING frustrated and fucked off and so on... remember how much Iggy used to hurt himself? Clearly a cry for help blah blah and now I think (seriously) the bassplayer drank himself to death pretty early on too...

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 11 April 2003 09:41 (twenty-two years ago)

simon reynolds said something on his website about kh going from being in a half-assed rock band to being in a half-assed electronic outfit. i think this is the main problem people have with bikini kill/le tigre/julie ruin, even some people who say they like em: there's a sense that you shouldn't like really amateurish music (unless it's "louie louie" or "surfin' bird" or something canonical like that) better than something well-constructed and polished and thought-out like radiohead. i think the formal crappiness of old bikini kill helped make them intense and creepy and disturbing in a way that no "punk" band had been since, oh, 1980.

obv if kathleen wants to make bad records to inspire her fans she needs to try a lot harder: later bikini kill and "feminist sweepstakes" are both very polished. (and not very good either)

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 11 April 2003 09:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I like "Reject All American"/"Le Tigre" the most, by miles. And the BK singles. Those are some fullyassed records! I'm bewildered, pretty honestly, by this lack of like for "Reject", though (by which I mean yours/Di's). I don't find any Hanna records (convincingly) amateurish, sort of; parts of the EPs are just TOO crappy. It's not easy to sound that sloppy, especially when yr next records (though I can't remember "Pussywhipped", I sold it when I was 17 or something, maybe that'll decide this internal debate though I DOUBT IT, the singles/"RJA" are some of my favourite rock records and like I told you once "New Radio" is at least in my top 5 90s singles) are so wellplayed and ROCKING... I don't see the polish, though. They hold rhythms down, those sellouts. Oh there's an argument, the EPs have NO swing or whatever, I cannot be rocked by them. It'd be great if I could, obv. "LT" sounds just as slick as "RJA", too, or DOES IT

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 11 April 2003 09:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Btw were you a fan of Randy Newman's first Lp? Cos fuck, that's GOOD. And strange. Mostly good.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 11 April 2003 10:03 (twenty-two years ago)

its not about whether "they can play" or "they can't play", slickness or amateurishness for me. RJA is too musically predictable. the first time i heard it i knew where all the chords were going to go and how all the melodies were going to finish, and i guess i prefer to hear stuff that isn't AS (being the operative word) predictable from BIKINI KILL as a band (i don't hold this rule to all other bands, btw). and i don't hate all later BK - my fave BK song is "i hate danger".

― di smith (lucylurex), Friday, 11 April 2003 10:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I didn't say it had anything to do w/being able to play, if you meant me

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 11 April 2003 10:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh wait you also said slickness etc... I don't find the Eps any less predictable than RJA, except maybe the yells on that classic track "Thurston Hearts the Who".

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 11 April 2003 11:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll just say I don't HATE K. Hanna at all, I do like her and I certainly wore out my Bikini Kill records when I was 16. This is pretty much exactly how I feel about Kathleen:
1. I don't like the fact that she can play better than she does, and tones herself down for the sake of "inspiring" girls. I don't know but I just don't get inspired by mediocre records.
2. After a while I realised I only thought two of her records were GREAT (RJA, LT) and I couldn't listen to the first EPs anymore. I find them much more obvious than RJA
3. "EATS MEAT HATES BLACKS BEAT YR FUCKING WIFE - ITS ALL THE SAME THING!"
4. Le Tigre played that hippy-ass women's festival, which is pretty silly in my books.
I find more people love Kathleen and refuse to criticize her. If we're talking about people who like TATU over Le Tigre, it's a completely different story.

― Elisabeth (Elisabeth), Friday, 11 April 2003 11:12 (twenty-two years ago)

who the hell's kathleen hannah?;/

― jonathan gittins (nevermind^), Friday, 11 April 2003 11:37 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.salon.com/audio/2000/10/05/hanna/
Try this

― Elisabeth (Elisabeth), Friday, 11 April 2003 11:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually that doesn't say much, look her up

― Elisabeth (Elisabeth), Friday, 11 April 2003 11:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Well I guess you don't hate her, anyway... she's a musician. Once she said she featured in a video by some "rock stars", but only for the money. It turned out she meant... SONIC YOUTH. Oh NO a MAJOR LABEL!

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 11 April 2003 11:59 (twenty-two years ago)

elisabeth how did you manage to have such good taste at age 16? i was listening to celine dion and THE CRANBERRIES.

― rebekah (rebekah), Friday, 11 April 2003 19:27 (twenty-two years ago)

re: randy newman, i only have "sail away" which is fantastic, especially "god's song" and "you can leave your hat on" and the one about the kid and the dancing bear. so i expect i'll be picking the rest of his lps up when i can afford them. doesn't he have a box set or something?

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 11 April 2003 21:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Y'know, I've never heard of one. If you have a turntable the vinyl should be pretty cheap. As you probably know the other really GOOD ones are "12 Songs" and the s/t one, "Little Crminals" has some great songs but it's not nearly as odd and distinctives sounding as those filmscorish/old country sounding ones. I haven't heard the others (yet), apparently they're not too hot. ALSO- KH used to be a bit of a hero to me/Elisabeth, but due to a few things mostly mentioned above we just got more and more irritated w/her. She's still done some amazing things, and maybe the third LT record (if one even happens) will make up for um, "stuff".

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Saturday, 12 April 2003 00:47 (twenty-two years ago)

"EATS MEAT HATES BLACKS BEAT YR FUCKING WIFE - ITS ALL THE SAME THING!"

if i took this literally, rather than just an angry rant, i'd probably be irritated by it too. out of curiosity, do you think the line "white boy don't laugh don't cry just die" should be taken literally too? you know, i ain't defending her, it is a silly thing to say, but at the same time, she's human and i guess i can relate to her fury. (i think thats the crux of it for me, she's never been a hero figure to me, so i don't hang on every word she says.)

― di smith (lucylurex), Saturday, 12 April 2003 03:29 (twenty-two years ago)

is that one of her comments? :/ is she simple?:/

― jonathan gittins (nevermind^), Saturday, 12 April 2003 08:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I know relatively little about Kathleen Hanna as well, except that she was really cute in the SY video (ROCKSTARS that they are). The only le Tigre song I ever heard was 'Get Off The Internet', which I like.

Yeah, I def. do enjoy the Stooges, I fucking love them (if we are making lists, they are one of my top 5 bands), but there is a difference between angry music and "angry political" music. As far as I can remember, the Stooges were never very political and never tried to be - there is a great Iggy quote in reference to the MC5 and their mangled politics, something along the lines of "The people don't give a shit!" I really don't like music mixed with politics because half the time the musicians have absolutely no idea what they are talking about (see MC5), are using politics to gain noteriety (see the Sex Pistols) or are just fucking annoying with it. I'd rather not be preached at when I'm listening to music and judging from things quoted above that sounds like what KH is attempting to do - it kind of makes me think less of the actual musical content. So I guess I can understand people disliking her on the "angry political" grounds, I probably would find it difficult to overlook that as well. And the 'inspiration' thing just sounds stupid - but I should prob wait till I hear more of her music to make any real judgements.

― Livvie Tapper (Livvie), Saturday, 12 April 2003 09:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Justyn, there is a Randy Newman boxset on Rhino...I think it's called Guilty - The Life and Crimes of Randy Newman.

― Damian (Damian), Saturday, 12 April 2003 10:33 (twenty-two years ago)

you can take issue with that iggy quote though, like maybe people SHOULD give a shit and if they don't then we're all in trouble. i agree that the mc5's "politics" were pretty shallow and stupid ("che is cool like james dean is cool" = everything punks from dead kennedys to clash to rage against the machine ever needed to know about history) but even if iggy never made a political statement in his life i don't think you could say his impact on the world was exactly 'apolitical.' (james brown campaigned for nixon and no one would call HIM conservative!)

i don't think the sex pistols used politics to gain notoriety: i think "god save the queen" is just john lydon expressing his deep-seated absolute loathing of a society that brought him up to feel totally worthless about himself. it's as personal as "no fun" in its way. i think the same goes for most bikini kill songs, actually, there's as much self-loathing in there as world-hate.

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Saturday, 12 April 2003 11:29 (twenty-two years ago)

and say they'd go gay for her!

that is a great clause, in the grammatical sense...

― Clare (not entirely unhappy), Saturday, 12 April 2003 23:40 (twenty-two years ago)

elisabeth how did you manage to have such good taste at age 16? i was listening to celine dion and THE CRANBERRIES. she tried hard to, like everyone else...?

― Clare (not entirely unhappy), Saturday, 12 April 2003 23:43 (twenty-two years ago)

oh, that doesn't sound that *nice* and i wouldn't like it if someone thought i was being mean on ihe...

...the hegemony of friendliness must be bowed to.

― Clare (not entirely unhappy), Sunday, 13 April 2003 02:26 (twenty-two years ago)

"god save the queen" is just john lydon expressing his deep-seated absolute loathing of a society that brought him up to feel totally worthless about himself. it's as personal as "no fun" in its way.

Oh yeah, that is pretty much what I think too - the Sex Pistols' politics had far more to do with them personally than any desire to make things better for others. Maybe the Sex Pistols weren't the best example because I don't actually have much problem w/ their particular use of politics. That's probably because it's easy now to conclude that the Sex Pistols (or JL at least) only cared about the working classes because he was part of it at the time. It just seems like a joke now whereas I suppose if you'd been really into the SPs at the time you'd feel pretty betrayed by the whole "for the money" reunion tour (it's SO not what punk is about) etc etc. Also they never seemed preachy to me, although having prior knowledge of just how insincere some of the things they were saying actually were (eg. JL only used 'anarchist' because it rhymed vaguely w/ 'antichrist'), made it seem too much like irony to be taken seriously.

Re: Iggy, what WAS his political impact? Regardless of that, I think you could say that Iggy Pop, musically speaking, was definately apolitical (ok, I haven't heard every piece of music he ever wrote so I could be proved wrong), and it's only when politics start creeping into songs (or fucking up the band a la MC5) that I really have any issue w/ it - people can think anything they like about whatever they like, but when I'm being told what to think/take/eat/drink and so on it can, and usually does, ruin my enjoyment of whatever I'm listening to.

― Livvie Tapper (Livvie), Sunday, 13 April 2003 08:59 (twenty-two years ago)

if i took this literally, rather than just an angry rant, i'd probably be irritated by it too.
I don't really see how much of an angry rant it can be by the time it's been recorded and released on a record. I'm sure she'd had plenty of time to think about it.
As for "White Boy", isn't it just her yelling angrily at the "white boy" who talks at the start of the song "well I think most of the girls ask for it" etc etc? Like anger at an actual person/character as opposed to what sounds like a statement with "eats meat.." etc. She doesn't say all white boys should die, I mean there's a white boy in the band!
Also I wouldn't say I hung onto her every word. We didn't worship at the altar of Hanna or anything, just really admired her. When someone I admire says/does something stupid it's a bummer. Like hey I eat meat, I guess it's basically the same as hating blacks.

― Elisabeth (Elisabeth), Sunday, 13 April 2003 10:41 (twenty-two years ago)

She really is quite cute when she jumps up and down

― SplendidMullet (iamamonkey), Sunday, 13 April 2003 11:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Most girls are, right?

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 13 April 2003 11:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd say there would be a large group that just looked awkward.

― Livvie Tapper (Livvie), Sunday, 13 April 2003 12:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Well I WAS being ironic

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 13 April 2003 12:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh no - irony! The scourge of modern conversation.

― Livvie Tapper (Livvie), Sunday, 13 April 2003 13:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll avoid it in future

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 13 April 2003 13:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually I don't know what I was doing, and it's not like I COULD avoid irony if I tried. Also, "I am the Cosmos" is a really great song by the other main guy from Big Star Chris Bell, who left after the first record and ended up killing himself. Y'know, if I'm going to dribble like this I should just go and update one of my fantastic diaries, shouldn't I. Besides, what I really like is people doing the robot dance.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 13 April 2003 22:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't really see how much of an angry rant it can be by the time it's been recorded and released on a record. I'm sure she'd had plenty of time to think about it.

elisabeth you sound pissed off. i didn't mean to offend. like i said, i wasn't defending the statement, it IS a stupid thing to say. but do you REALLY think KH thinks racists, wifebeaters and meateaters are the same thing? i doubt shes that dogmatic. maybe she meant that they are part of the same problem - which is a power problem.

― di smith (lucylurex), Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey Di I read something once about how in feminist art theory process is more important than product, have you heard anything about that? Or was this person making it up?

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:47 (twenty-two years ago)

i haven't done any feminist art papers (yet). surely process and product should be equally important.

― di smith (lucylurex), Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I think it's something to do w/reappraising the role of the "artist" and so on, away from the "masculine" idea of the mighty creator and his "object" haha, the thing is I'm interested in how this relates to BRIAN ENO cos he's put out records where he created a process and then left it to "create" the work itself, w/no further input in the work... also that'd have some relevance to KH making her records basic, so the way they were made is clear to the listeners... I'm still kinda hung up on products, though.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:56 (twenty-two years ago)

concentrating on process over product is a very solipsitic way of making art.

― di smith (lucylurex), Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought it'd be way more inclusive? ie Eno wants to (and maybe has already, I can't remember) sell the music software he's made to let other people make their own music w/it... it's still HIS process, though, I guess.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:02 (twenty-two years ago)

well i guess the point is to make it more inclusive, and i like the idea of valorising the process just for this reason. but valorising the process at the expense of the product is pretty much giving the finger to "audience", which is totally not inclusive.

― di smith (lucylurex), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:08 (twenty-two years ago)

but do you REALLY think KH thinks racists, wifebeaters and meateaters are the same thing? i doubt shes that dogmatic. maybe she meant that they are part of the same problem - which is a power problem.
I don't really think she thinks THAT, but she still simplified it a bit too much for my liking. Also there are a lot of young girls who do hang on her every word (yikes not me) and might take it seriously and agree with it.
I don't know

― Elisabeth (Elisabeth), Monday, 14 April 2003 09:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Also she sings it in a silly voice. Is that a wise statement to leave so ambiguous (well actually it ISN'T ambiguous as it is, we just presume it must be)... if BK were like ART TERRORISTS (like Chrome or something, where no-one except some freak's going to pay attention to anything they say that could be taken politically) I wouldn't care but being Riot Grrl role models they were kinda in a position of responsibility, this violent (maybe theoretical) yelling wasn't too great maybe, I dunno either... mainly to be honest it's not like it's a good lyric or anything.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 14 April 2003 10:28 (twenty-two years ago)

No this kinda got blown up, I wasn't expecting a discussion on that "lyric"

― Elisabeth (Elisabeth), Monday, 14 April 2003 10:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyway as Bikini Kill were a political band it makes sense that they should watch what they say. And even though those three things may be related to "power" etc, they're still very different and unfortunately eating meat is nowhere near as serious as racism and domestic violence and shouldn't be grouped with them so casually.
So who else is sick of this thread?

― Elisabeth (Elisabeth), Monday, 14 April 2003 10:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, since we all like her anyway, it's a bit pointless

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 14 April 2003 14:06 (twenty-two years ago)

haha, I was about to say, where is all the hate for kathleen hanna?!

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 08:18 (twenty-two years ago)

in feminist art theory process is more important than product well it must have caught on all over the show in art practice too, at least here in wellington, where the massey art school kids seem to raise process above product and you arrive at their exhibitions and either can't find the exhibit or it looks half-baked/poorly executed - like their $1000 materials student loan didn't go the distance...

― Clare (not entirely unhappy), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 19:06 (twenty-two years ago)

eight months pass...

http://busygrrrl.homestead.com/files/lt31.jpg

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 11:36 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.ladyfest.org/LadiesWeLike/Hanna_Kathleen.jpg

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 11:39 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.indexmagazine.com/images/kathleen_hanna_122x124.jpg

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 11:41 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.jamesreich.com/kathleenhanna.jpg

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 11:42 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm actually more attracted to johanna fateman, but i revived this for justyn

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 11:45 (twenty-one years ago)

god i fucking love kathleen hanna

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 12:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, she's cool

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 12:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey Di I read something once about how in feminist art theory process is more important than product, have you heard anything about that? Or was this person making it up?

i doubt feminists agree on any one way of making art, btw. mostly i wanted to post to say about how my claim that later BK was too predictable compared with early BK is fucking dumb. sorry.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 13:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Well yeah, that's just a feminist art theory, not something all feminists follow. I don't like most theories anyway.

― Elisabeth (Elisabeth), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 02:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Well I mean, I'm sure there are other theories. Who cares, I don't actually know what I'm talking about!

― Elisabeth (Elisabeth), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 02:28 (twenty-one years ago)

KH's forelock in that passport-looking photo makes her look like she's got a Frida Kahlo monobrow. So cool! Monobrows are the new mullets, you heard it here first.

― Monty, Wednesday, 7 January 2004 07:04 (twenty-one years ago)

seven months pass...

"saying, 'oh man, fucking kathleen hanna put out this new julie ruin record and it totally sucks. i'm going to do something ten times better,' is engagement. it's awesome. it's the best thing that could happen. but if instead someone thinks, 'oh, the girl from bikini kill did this thing, let's make stickers of her and put them on her notebooks,' it's just empty consumption. i'm not saying that putting stickers of another woman on your notebook is fucked - especially if it reminds you that you're connected to a larger community - i'm just saying that the empty consumption of it as if it's another product is fucked." - kathleen hanna, punk planet

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 30 August 2004 03:34 (twenty years ago)

That's the quote that first pissed me off at KH, thanks!

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 30 August 2004 04:04 (twenty years ago)

Oh I already said above. It IS another product, hippy

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 30 August 2004 04:08 (twenty years ago)

yeah, i figured that was it. i disagree with the second half of what she says ("empty consumption" = empty concept), but the first part about engagement is pretty interesting - i don't think she's bragging about making purposely bad records (which the julie ruin LP certainly isn't) at all. it would be weird to put down a record during an interview you're giving to promote it!

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 30 August 2004 04:13 (twenty years ago)

Well she doesn't want to be a part of the empty consumption of product, maybe she's taking her career down from the inside?

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 30 August 2004 05:30 (twenty years ago)

Y'know what, I really think she's aiming at making bad records and letting us know that. And I just as really think it took her till the 2nd LT album to realise her dream of combining horrible "engaging"/"inspiring" music w/blank unmoving sloganistic lyrics. Cos before that she couldn't help making GREAT rockin MOVING exciting lyrically/musically records, something like that. Her political goals beat her art. How fun. Let's see if it works, from now on I suppose I might as well be a disinterested observer, it's nothing to do w/me anymore.

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 30 August 2004 13:11 (twenty years ago)

they say on the website that their politics and their art are of equal importance, thus i disagree. i really don't think that she is about intentionally making bad music. i read her statement more as acknowledging the varied, subjective responses of the listeners, and i think thats something she embraces. that stuff about "empty consumption" though is outright dumb.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Monday, 30 August 2004 21:48 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...

i really think kathleen hanna is a fuckin' idiot,,..i just can't stand that she's with adrock...i'm totally in love with him and i can't believe that they are together....also she's not pritty at all..and her band sucks!!!!

― belen, Wednesday, 17 November 2004 13:45 (twenty years ago)

honey, ad rock is too old for you anyway. kathleen hanna is really charming and totally hott.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 16:22 (twenty years ago)

ad-rock's not even that old (like 36?).. the beastie boys were just really really young circa 'cookie puss'

― chris andrews (fraew), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 21:54 (twenty years ago)

ok - he just turned 37 recently..

― chris andrews (fraew), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 21:59 (twenty years ago)

thats too old for a 15 year old.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Thursday, 18 November 2004 06:14 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

Who the fuck is kathleen hanna?????

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Like I give a fuck, XD. I have changed my e-mail address. ha.

― Jaimee, Sunday, 9 July 2006 09:02 (eighteen years ago)

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