Mixing is pretty much voodoo. You raise something up other things start to vanish. Pretty much I just go with notch EQing dropping something out trying to bring something in on the track you want to come out some.
ime if i find myself in this situation it generally means a problem with the arrangement. what instruments are you having a problem with? how essential can the parts be if they are easily masked by another part?
curious as to what kick drum mic you are using. is the kick being played particularly softly? i don't think i've ever gotten snare bleed in my kick mic...
― minge beat (electricsound), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 03:20 (fourteen years ago)
I wouldn't say masked, but become less present. This is more in fine tuning a mix going for say an instrument texture rather than something being heard at all. Say you boost a snare track a half to one db to try to get to cut just a little bit better, but when that total track is boosted, you loose a bit of texture out of say the attack on a bass guitar or kick drum. It's not a total mask like something moves out of phase, more on a micro level in the whole mix when you have gotten to the point that just raising or lowering your faders or trim on the mixer channels won't get you 'there' and at that point really it is the limitation of the original sound in that particular track. EQ, compression, etc. can work some but at some point, but with each of those choices it is a compromise and ultimately goes back to the inherent weakness in the original sound.
Our drummer has a trad style front kick drumhead that doesn't have the built in port for putting a microphone into the kick, so it is hard to get that more high end thwack of the beater on the inside head. Early on in practices, I tried some tricks to isolate the kick a bit and it really made it worse by putting a blanket over the kick with the mic underneath (which worked pretty good to cut down some high end bleed when micing through the kick port) but with the full face kick drum head, it added this weird low end rumble to the proceedings. It was better to just let it bleed.
What I tried to have another option on getting that beater on the kick sound was putting a second microphone and track on the other head, where the beater is located - but that track turned out to be pretty much worthless to try and mix, as it would get the beater and a crap load of the under snare sound (rattle rattle) on each hit. Yeah you would get the beater better, but the rattle from under the snare was annoying and really couldn't be EQ'ed out with any good results. I ended up not using it at all and quit recording it. I've tried double micing a snare with one on top and one below and it has never panned into anything usable.
― earlnash, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 03:58 (fourteen years ago)
yeah the kick thing does sound pretty challenging. i'm assuming removing the front head entirely is not possible?
(best kick sound i ever got was from one with no front head)
surprised about the snare thing - i love top/bottom snare micing, wouldn't do it any other way now. though there was that time i finished a mix and wondered why my snare sound was so thin, not realising til later that i hadn't flipped the phase on one of the channels..
― minge beat (electricsound), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 04:09 (fourteen years ago)
Hiya ILX, long time no speak. I've recently come out from the depths of wherever it is that I hide and brought out some new music stuff.
http://lynskey.bandcamp.com/album/idea-prime
If you're a last.fm person it's on there as well
http://www.last.fm/music/Lynskey/Idea+Prime
― Lynskey, Saturday, July 23, 2011 5:43 AM Bookmark
Oh man, I missed this and I was a fan of Lynskey's old electronic stuff. I still listen to one of his track's not infrequently. Lynskey, if you don't mind a brutally honest comment, your production is fucking awesome and the vocals on this do not really stand up to it.
― Disraeli Geirs (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 04:24 (fourteen years ago)
wow idea prime is amazing. Production is amazing. Don't mind the vocals. It has a kind of ash channeled through albini kind of thing going on
― owenf, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 09:06 (fourteen years ago)
Thanks! I've alway got tremendous problems doing vocals, it was ok back when I was doing the electronic stuff as I could drown it all in effects, I couldn't really hide with these ones. I'm a complete wimp in that I'll only record vocals if the house is empty, there's no-one in next door and no-one stood at the bus stop over the road. So things tend to be a bit rushed. Plus these needed to be belted out / screamed in a lot of places and I feel like an idiot doing that sort of thing in an empty house.
― Lynskey, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 10:04 (fourteen years ago)
^^^ I have this same problem - I can manage ranty style vocals, and more-or-less spoken singing, but anything more and I can only do it if there isn't anyone around for half a mile.
― PoMo with a shotgun (snoball), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 12:36 (fourteen years ago)
perhaps not a genre of interest around here, but here's a hip hop recording we're giving away now- http://poem-cees.bandcamp.com/album/everything-youve-always-wanted
― natlawdp, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 16:30 (fourteen years ago)
http://soundcloud.com/reverenddollars/you-dont-come-home-128
It's on, motherfuckers.
― turfin' bird (The Reverend), Monday, 3 October 2011 17:13 (fourteen years ago)
nice. beats are fire.
nice. beats are fire
― hardcore oatmeal (Jordan), Monday, 3 October 2011 17:30 (fourteen years ago)
two songs i recorded with my former bandmates. kind of minimal midtempo garage rock?http://scarequotes.bandcamp.com/album/place-and-time-mind
― congratulations (n/a), Monday, 10 October 2011 15:22 (fourteen years ago)
wanted to do a remix of a Lana Del Rey track but I couldn't find an acapella so I knocked out a cover today. Pretty pointless. http://www.mediafire.com/?gg6zrxego1sko7u
― owenf, Tuesday, 11 October 2011 21:45 (fourteen years ago)
I got a second mix of my current band's epic 'Wings of Madness' up. Kind of sounds like a stoner rock pere ubu I think.
I went ahead and posted a couple of songwriting demos up for two songs I wrote recently 'The Plan' & 'Gravelbed'.
http://soundcloud.com/earlnash
― earlnash, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 00:55 (fourteen years ago)
Ha, just found out that this is still online: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgkjYF-4arw&feature=related
Deconstruction of A-Ha by a sort of ambient/post-rock/improv group I played with in Windsor
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 14 October 2011 06:37 (fourteen years ago)
Guess it's not all that nu.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 14 October 2011 06:38 (fourteen years ago)
http://bloodletters.tumblr.com/post/11443793967/song-the-best-cuts-salut-to-art-brut-proving
drum-machine + silly faux-british accent = ???
― bernard snowy, Friday, 14 October 2011 19:14 (fourteen years ago)
Guys - here's a promo mix for my upcoming record. Lots of North African stuff, etc. Enjoy!http://soundcloud.com/professorjorge/hassan-promo-mix
― Lawanda Pageboy (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 14 October 2011 20:10 (fourteen years ago)
http://soundcloud.com/doglatin/asphyxiated-dubhttp://soundcloud.com/doglatin/drowning-dubhttp://soundcloud.com/doglatin/pukestep
― dog latin, Friday, 21 October 2011 20:44 (fourteen years ago)
I like 'Asphyxiated Dub' - ambient, but without the usual ambient problem of being too slow.
― triple black belt in ILX-fu (snoball), Friday, 21 October 2011 20:55 (fourteen years ago)
That's because it's just a sped up version of Drowning Dub. Lots of sub-sub-sub bass sounds I couldn't hear properly on my speakers, so I pitched the whole thing up and got a new track. Thanks mate.
― dog latin, Saturday, 22 October 2011 10:05 (fourteen years ago)
http://bloodletters.tumblr.com/post/11626859187/cover-the-soft-boys-tonight-bloodletters <— for some reason Robyn Hitchcock songs always bring out the best in me?
― bernard snowy, Saturday, 22 October 2011 20:42 (fourteen years ago)
So I made this on this setup (i.e. keyboard only; the laptop was only used for recording, looping, editing, and mixing).
― Hills Like White Broncos (EDB), Monday, 7 November 2011 00:20 (fourteen years ago)
cheeky Justin Timberlake deep house ish remix done in the depths of flu fever yesterday
http://www.mediafire.com/?0tslnn0msd59ozf
― owenf, Saturday, 12 November 2011 17:18 (fourteen years ago)
Here's a more complete version of a Reason track I posted earlier : http://soundcloud.com/doglatin/hertford-loopAnd here's the first half-listenable thing so far from my new band (just a bit of a jam so far, working out the parts: http://soundcloud.com/doglatin/disco-zhivago-zinc-globular
― Glo-Vember (dog latin), Monday, 14 November 2011 23:10 (fourteen years ago)
playing some beats in a room that's embarassingly well-lit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeUJ1J1lYkU
― this is unusual for batman. (Jordan), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 00:01 (fourteen years ago)
got some new software and made this thing. it's not really done but my productivity has been at negative 50 for the last month or so i doubt anything will ever get done. at this point successfully brushing teeth and ironing pants in the same night is like a legendary achievement for me.
― your pain is probably equal (Z S), Friday, 6 January 2012 05:16 (fourteen years ago)
oh, maybe it's this link instead? i never use soundcloud and oh mylanta
― your pain is probably equal (Z S), Friday, 6 January 2012 05:19 (fourteen years ago)
nm, deleted it, fucking terrible
― your pain is probably equal (Z S), Friday, 6 January 2012 05:28 (fourteen years ago)
I released an EP last month while ILX was down:http://songs.stevegoldbergmusic.com/album/the-flood
More recently I downloaded a bunch of soft synths and made this song:http://stevegoldbergmusic.com/media/FirstWorldProblems2.mp3
― St3ve Go1db3rg, Friday, 6 January 2012 17:10 (fourteen years ago)
Flakey Genes
― insert 2012 appropriate display name here (snoball), Friday, 6 January 2012 19:23 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED35go-0U1E
― owenf, Monday, 9 January 2012 16:34 (fourteen years ago)
I've been using a bit more of my old analog gear, jamming tracks, and dirtying up by recording to tape recently.
Made this track just before Christmas which sounds a little bit Drexciyan, mixed with a riff that after finishing the track I realised sounds like Mamma Mia :D
http://soundcloud.com/glocknspiel/matty-balaam-booziya
― Chewshabadoo, Monday, 9 January 2012 16:45 (fourteen years ago)
Wrote and recorded a song on ukelele through my laptop speaker in an afternoon. It's very silly, but I kind of like it.
http://soundcloud.com/doglatin/let-me-play-ukelele
― I want your nose, your shoes and your unicycle (dog latin), Sunday, 29 January 2012 17:16 (fourteen years ago)
we covered The Gift and replaced the story with a tale of kids in yorkshire with bananas.
http://housevshomerecords.bandcamp.com/track/the-gift
― thomasintrouble, Friday, 3 February 2012 08:50 (fourteen years ago)
http://soundcloud.com/doglatin/jukeska
Trying to make crazy footwork music out of vintage ska samples. Not sure I've got the hang of it yet.
― Laughing Gravy (dog latin), Thursday, 9 February 2012 23:44 (fourteen years ago)
started doing a bit of djing at parties again and making these long lindstromy transition tracks with only analog synth samples and live desk/controller automation. Would love to invest in better gear so I could do full sets of it but currently having to go through 5 or 6 times to get it right.
http://www.mediafire.com/?9m7j6b5v6o6wr13
― owenf, Friday, 10 February 2012 15:41 (fourteen years ago)
I've spent a year writing techno and house music with my boy, and this is our first finished song. It samples DJ Screw.
Plum in the Golden Vase
owen- i like your space track. have you made other stuff?
― Dick Townwolves (Captain Ahab), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 08:17 (fourteen years ago)
that track is great! Yeah I've got loads more. When I finish off a few other projects I might stick them up as a packaged download somewhere.
― owenf, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 16:30 (fourteen years ago)
I've been incredibly prolific music-wise since I moved away from my computer with FL studio and realized I can make better tracks on Audacity alone (!)
This is my last outing (a kind of remix of Mr. Me Too by Clipse) and is probably among the more interesting examples of non dancey stuff I've made (though the intro is kind of stupid).
http://soundcloud.com/now-that-i-can-dance/springfield-gorge-clipse-mr-me
― Virtual Bart (EDB), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 12:05 (fourteen years ago)
NEW, FUNCTIONAL LINK!
― Virtual Bart (EDB), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 12:44 (fourteen years ago)
ah shit, I still need to do corrections on it, but whatever...
― Virtual Bart (EDB), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 12:46 (fourteen years ago)
nice
― the third kind of dubstep (Jordan), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 15:21 (fourteen years ago)
Thanks. Third and hopefully final link:
http://soundcloud.com/now-that-i-can-dance/springfield-gorge-clipse
― Virtual Bart (EDB), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 16:28 (fourteen years ago)
this is a remix that I did
http://soundcloud.com/cruelt/seasfire-falling-remix
― owenf, Thursday, 23 February 2012 11:41 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.reverbnation.com/atomicthrillride
We got a gig tomorrow night if you are in the Lexington/central KY area in Danville.
― earlnash, Friday, 24 February 2012 21:46 (fourteen years ago)
We've been defunct for awhile, but it's nice having something out there finally.
http://www.myspace.com/the-results
― pplains, Saturday, 25 February 2012 02:52 (fourteen years ago)
2012 and we finally have a myspace page!
― pplains, Saturday, 25 February 2012 02:53 (fourteen years ago)
― owenf, Thursday, February 23, 2012 5:41 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark
this is fire
― trivial fursuit (m bison), Saturday, 25 February 2012 02:59 (fourteen years ago)
house on fire
― owenf, Saturday, 25 February 2012 15:17 (fourteen years ago)
More fun with synths:
http://soundcloud.com/resistorsings/ingenue
― St3ve Go1db3rg, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 03:07 (fourteen years ago)