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I found this old song that I was idly thinking my band could cover, and then I googled it and discovered that some other band had already covered it at some point, and that perhaps if we covered it people would think we were covering the other band instead of the original band, or perhaps the idea of this song as being "coverable" was already "done", and it put a damper on my enthusiasm.

This is a thread for discussing weirdnesses involved in covering songs.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 00:40 (nineteen years ago)

Or, working out the chords for a song, getting stuck on one, googling to see if it's out there, and then finding out it's in a fake book you own. That can be sweet.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 01:21 (nineteen years ago)

How big is the band that already covered it and how big was their cover?

Abbadabba Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 01:22 (nineteen years ago)

The song in question was "You're So Square (But I Don't Care)", which Elvis did, and which Queen later covered.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 02:40 (nineteen years ago)

I think you could get away with it -- there's enough distance, and I'm guessing your band doesn't sound much like Queen. Also, I don't particularly associate that song with Queen.

Abbadabba Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 03:22 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I'm thinking we could. But if I hadn't googled, and not known it was a Queen song as well, and someone mentioned it at a show, that would have been weird.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 03:51 (nineteen years ago)

I believe Brian Ferry also covered that one.

k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 05:12 (nineteen years ago)

Indeed, Mr Ferry did.

Sometimes a cover of a cover is a legitimate thing I think. Claw Hammer covers the entirety of Are We Not Met? We Are Devo (though their version changes the title so it ends in We Are Not Devo) which means they cover Devo covering "Satisfaction." It works though because Devo's cover is so damned different than the original.

In fact I've often thought it would be cool to cover "Satisfaction" but actually be covering the Residents covering the Stones.

martin m. (mushrush), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 06:54 (nineteen years ago)

Oh for fuck's sake.

Nobody's done "Ole Buttermilk Sky" of late, right? I'm still safe with that one?

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 13:33 (nineteen years ago)

I usually find that if you pick a song with lots of hard chord changes it's much less likely that anyone's covered it.

Abbadabba Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 14:53 (nineteen years ago)

C'mon,Chris - WE know about these "You're So Square" covers, but I don't know if the average Joe will, even the average scenester Joe.

k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 14:55 (nineteen years ago)

I can only assume that Queen and Ferry decided to glam/rock/camp the song up, which seems like a terrible idea. Still, "Ole Buttermilk Sky"! I am figuring out how to remove the gender from the lyrics. I should have recorded it before that damn Brokeback Mountain movie got filmed, it would have been aces.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:01 (nineteen years ago)

Also, I hope someone took the time to start an ILM thread about covers of covers, if it hasn't been done already.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

Also: When other people cover songs you've written, that is the awesomest. So why is it that, except for a certain ILXor, everyone who has covered one of my songs or even thought about covering one has gone for the same song?

(Answer: Because it has relatively few words and few chords and is about an angel who gleefully plots murders. I guess.)

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:05 (nineteen years ago)

except for a certain ILXor,
Hey! That's me! Sorry for the butcher job I did on that one, Chris, I was listening to my iPod at the gym the other day, and the original version came on (and it's kind of funny to be listening to the Minor Thirds at the gym) and I was reflecting on how I kind of fucked up the cover by leaving out big chunks of the song and not really knowing how to play drums. I could have done better.

We covered "Thirteen" by Big Star at a show the other night and an acquaintance afterwords praised us for our Elliot Smith cover. :(

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:10 (nineteen years ago)

Anyways, our original plan was to cover a different song at every show, but that turned out to be a little overambitious. Now we have enough songs that we don't have to do a cover to fill out the set, but we still do sometimes. I would prefer to stick to more obscure things but we've done some pretty obvious covers too. I find it best not to overthink it.

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:12 (nineteen years ago)

If we're headlining we often do a cover as an encore - just something we enjoy playing, usually something punk/postpunky. We've done Transmission (JD), Boredom (Buzzcocks), Public Image... that sort of thing. Shot By Both Sides (Magazine) occasionally gets in the set proper too, because it's such a fantastic song and we do a few things to it that make it a bit different from the original.

Several times we also did a cover of "a UK Top 10 hit from 1982" with the singer from the original band doing vocals.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:44 (nineteen years ago)

I have recorded covers of the Trash Can Sinatras ("Hay Fever"), the Sundays ("Hideous Towns"), and Men without Hats ("Antarctica").

This is maybe my way of saying that I like the idea of covers that work like "obscure" ones but aren't going back to forgetten standards or rock'n'roll chestnuts or whatever -- just covers of good but non-iconic songs-I-like from the not-too-distant past.

(n/a I accidentally learned to play "1995" on guitar the other day, but you're lucky that I couldn't think of a totally different way to present it and therefore didn't get tempted to start messing around.)

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

I think my favorite kinds of covers for C4n4st4 are songs that are total jukebox favorites but which are somewhat outside our genre range and so we can make them interesting. So, for instance, I'm glad we don't really play "Seeing Other People" anymore, because it's too much of wearing our influences on our sleeves. But I think "The Model" and "Major Tom" and "Tom's Diner" do work, because they're all polished and synth-driven in a way that we're not. (Actually, once I learned that Big Black had covered "The Model," I was skeptical of us doing it, but then I decided that our versions would be very different, to say the least.)

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 18:14 (nineteen years ago)

Anyways, our original plan was to cover a different song at every show

This was also tM3's original plan. Ah well.

A friend of mine has been covering "13" a lot, and even put it out on his last album. He does a very nice version, which I probably like better than the original, since I'm not so into Big Star in general. But I don't know if I know the actual original. I haven't listened to his recorded version.

Anyway I like your version of "Shit City"! You said, "Hey, this song is over the top. You know what it needs? More over-the-top-osity." And that is a beautiful thing.

Nab, I like those too, but I am very interested in standards and rock'n'roll chestnuts, for any number of reasons, mostly because they tap into something that I can't tap into. I cannot write a song like "Ole Buttermilk Sky". And one of the things I'm working on is how I can write such a song and still make it "work" for me.

But the recent songs I like from the etc., those are generally songs that I (given adequate inspiration etc.) more or less could write -- they come from a similar sensibility to mine, they work in the ways my songs work, etc.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 18:15 (nineteen years ago)

nabisco, you should totally cover 1995. We're not going to play it live anymore because it never sounds right; I think it has something to do with the dynamics.

A guy I knew covered a song I wrote for the band I was in in college, and it's like the BEST COVER EVER. He didn't know the lyrics so all the verse lyrics are totally different and it's all atonal and freaky. I should YOUSEND the original and the cover, it's amazing.

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 18:17 (nineteen years ago)

Our cover song philosophy basically consists of:
1. Is this song cool?
2. Can we play this song? (This is a big step, made up of: a. Is it too technically demanding to play? and b. Since we only have guitar, bass, drums, is this going to sound weird if we eliminate certain parts like keyboards or 2nd guitar parts or whatever so that we can play it?

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 18:19 (nineteen years ago)

I have been pushing to cover "Candy" by Iggy Pop and Kate Pierson since we started this band, but we still haven't done it. But maybe someday.

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 18:19 (nineteen years ago)

I would also like to work more on covering songs that are more atypical for us and spending some time turning them into "Fake Fictions songs" (like Canasta does), rather than just covering songs that already sound kind of like us. But I think we're kinda lazy. The next one we do, I think I'm going to learn a song I want to cover and then bring it into practice and tell Ben & Sarah to pretend like this is a song I wrote that I'm bringing in and have them make up the parts they think should go with it.

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

Chris, when I cover you it will not be that angel song, though that is a good one.

martin m. (mushrush), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 18:27 (nineteen years ago)

Since we only have guitar, bass, drums, is this going to sound weird if we eliminate certain parts like keyboards or 2nd guitar parts or whatever so that we can play it?

Haha, this is interesting to me, because our concern is always "Is there enough going on that everyone can have a part?"

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

There should be a sitcom about our bands being forced to move in together.

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

my theory on covers: if you like it, cover it. who cares if its been covered a million times before or never at all?

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

Well, because I'd rather hear a band cover something unknown or unexpected than hear the zillionth cover of "Satisfaction" or hear yet another cover of Dylan's cover of "Moonshiner" or whatever. Some songs, even if you like them, you don't really want to hear them covered.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

my theory on covers: if you like it, cover it. who cares if its been covered a million times before or never at all?

That's why I still cover "Ana Ng."

martin m. (mushrush), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 00:26 (nineteen years ago)

My band did three different kind of covers:

1.) STRAIGHT COVER - "Middle of the Road" by the Pretenders. One of those songs that's basically the same throughout except you get a "quiet part" to jack off on.

2.) THE MEDLEY COVER - Had an original called "Stand Around" that would break into "Sweet Leaf" after the solo, and then would wind around to whatever else we could think of that started in A.

An ilxor later told me that by doing that, we introduced him to his mind. I was flabbergasted by the compliment until I later realized that he was just quoting one of the lyrics. It was still pert nice of him to mention it, though.

and 3.) THE COVER WE DIDN'T KNOW - Well, our guitarist had at least heard "Blue on Black" by Kenny Wayne Shepherd, but I had no idea. I think that I was better off.

The song in question was "You're So Square (But I Don't Care)", which Elvis did, and which Queen later covered.

The Hüsker Dü version is transcendent.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 05:52 (nineteen years ago)

six months pass...
Can someone give me a link to The Minor Thirds lyrics?? I've been searching on Google, but so far I've come up with little to show for my efforts. Help??

Phoenix Matthews, Monday, 12 June 2006 03:50 (nineteen years ago)

I think the proper forum for your question is actually I Love Books.

Sons Of The Redd Desert (Ken L), Monday, 12 June 2006 04:19 (nineteen years ago)

is there any song more double-covered than bobby mcgee ?

AaronK (AaronK), Monday, 12 June 2006 10:59 (nineteen years ago)

Um... Yeah, I might be able to help. Which song?

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 12 June 2006 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

My band's got a gig on June 18th which just happens to be Paul McCartney's sixty-forth birthday.

I'm tempted.

everything, Tuesday, 13 June 2006 04:55 (nineteen years ago)

How can you not?!

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 05:29 (nineteen years ago)

It's also father's day and Paul apparently wrote that song for his Dad. Which is just too much of a coincidence to ignore. Knowing Paul, he probably worked that all out in advance.

everything, Tuesday, 13 June 2006 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

....not that I "know" Paul McCartney.

everything, Tuesday, 13 June 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

in the biblical sense?

RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

I think I might be crossing paths with G30rg3 M4rt!n's son in a few hours. I'll inform him of your plan and have him run it by his dad and get back to you with his opinion.

Sons Of The Redd Desert (Ken L), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

Covers are fun. My work band is almost all covers at this point and the best part about doing that is discovering an entire genre of modern rock songs that I actually can credibly sing.

We've also discovered that "Personal Jesus" sounds awesome of you rearrange it to the drum beat for "Brickhouse".

Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

We're going covers crazy for this gig on Fathers Day/Macca's birthday. We might be looking at three Paul numbers (When I'm 64, Fixing a Hole and yes, Maxwell's Silver Hammer)and at least 3 dad songs - including Daddy Cool by Boney M. We'll be able to audition for cruise ships off the back of this.

everything (everything), Thursday, 15 June 2006 21:00 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...
Back in the early days of pop music and recording, it was common for people to cover songs that had been done alot.
There's a reason Jazz has 'standards.'

Covers should be based on the chord changes, time signatures, melody, and lyrics.
other than that, put your own flavor on it, and you can even change those up a bit.

The GZeus (The GZeus), Sunday, 30 July 2006 20:32 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...
[spam killed]

la leggenda del narayama, Monday, 21 August 2006 18:18 (nineteen years ago)

There, now you have your link to Minor Thirds lyrics.

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 21 August 2006 18:35 (nineteen years ago)


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