Superfuzzzzzz Bigmuff (fuzz pedal info/recs)

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Hello, my fine feathered friends.

It being the dreaded holiday season, I'm looking around at various gifts for others. However, me being me, I'm spending even more time looking at gifts for myself.

Basically, I want a fuzz pedal real bad. I want that gnarly fatness. I want to be able to cut through my band's hellacious wall of noise with an even more hellacious noise, but I want it to sound appealing, you know? I know that I don't really want a distortion pedal, b/c I like my amp's overdrive tone more than any d-pedal I've ever played.

There are about sixty million fuzzes out there. I only know the basics, like Fuzz Faces - and I don't even know them very well, so if there's anything you'd particularly recommend, I'd be much obliged.

ZR (teenagequiet), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 21:49 (nineteen years ago)

Well do you know which "sound camp" your preference is in? i.e. To you like the sound of germanium or silicon transistors more?

I'm a fan of the Big Muff and its derivatives personally, but I wouldn't recommend it for every sound. Hell, there's a whole subset of arguments about which era Big Muff sounds the best... heheheh.

It sounds like a cop out, but because fuzz is really meant to be right up front so the pedal can respond to your picking as well as possible, the best thing to do on a fuzz search is play as many as you can. Since fuzz pedals are some of the most dependent on your playing style, you really won't know what works best for you until you try a bunch. Active vs passive pickups also has a big effect on which fuzz works best.

That said:

On the severe cheap tip, the DOD Classic Fuzz is a pretty righteous pedal for some kinds of fuzz. I don't know how much I like it for over the top shit, but for slightly fuzzed out chord-work it sounds great. Stay the hell away from the DOD Flashback Fuzz though. It is crap.

If you like the Big Muff sound, the Frantone Sweet is an amazing pedal in the same vein. It's pricey, even used, but it's amazing. Quiet as hell and really really smooth sustain. The biggest gain settings on it are still musical too. It will cut through four bands at once.

The current crop of US made Big Muffs are actually pretty good. (They were designed by Fran from Frantone, incidentally.) The current Russian Big Muffs aren't bad either, but they're not as smooth to my ear. But hey some people actually prefer that.

A lot of friends of mine use the silver Boss Fuzz pedals, either the FZ-2 or FZ-3. I've not played one myself, but most of the guys I know using them care about tone a lot and have the resources to buy a more expensive pedal if they needed to.

I personally don't like Fuzz Faces much. Too touchy, and with the vintage ones, as many of them sound shitty as sound good. There are hundreds of boutiqe Fuzz Face clones out there though... That's true of just about all the famous fuzz pedals (Superfuzz, Big Muff, Fuzz Face, et al).

martin m. (mushrush), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 00:25 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know if that was very helpful at all... heheh.

Do you have an idea of the sound you want to get? Any examples that are close? Like, Hendrix fuzz is very different from Santana fuzz, so if you can think of someone with a fuzzy sound you're aiming close to, it'll be easier to think of stuff you should try.

martin m. (mushrush), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 00:27 (nineteen years ago)

crazy-ass informative post as always, martin.

i've been looking for a bouteek Muff clone for ever, and aside from that dreadful Creamy Dreamer (really just a modded Russian muff with an epoxied board) have come up relatively dry. that Frantone looks/sounds like the biz.

i really like my Voodoo Lab Superfuzz. i don't know if it's a straight clone of the Univox Superfuzz or not, but it has a really good range of wooly/lowdown Sabbath-esque heave all the way up into much more shrill Fuzzface territory. it's somewhat inexpensive and made in usa and true bypass if any of that matters to ya.

so martin, and not to hijack the thread or nothin, but, what's your pick among the recently reissued Foxx Tone Machine - Fender Blender - Ampeg Scrambler? major lust on all three, to be honest...

b. mulvey, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 05:23 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah Fran knows her shit when it comes to fuzz. I use her Cream Puff, which is a really fluffy fuzz. The Sweet is pretty badass. Too bad this thread didn't roll up a few months ago. I had a Sweet I unloaded on ebay. I could have cut someone a deal.

You know, if you want a really really cheap and pretty freaking accurate Foxx Tone Machine, get the little plastic Danelectro French Toast ocatave distortion pedal. I kid you not, it is very very close to the real thing... In fact the circuit is damned near a clone.

I don't know how I feel about those reissues. It almost seems unfair that their mythical status be undermined, particularly the Scrambler. Also, I have a tiny bit of hmph, I'll admit, on account of I have an original Blender which took me a long time to get at a reasonable price in very nice condition.

I'm pretty sure the Voodoo Lab isn't a straght clone. I'm not that familiar with their stuff though, to be honest, except that I know they make a straight clone of the Boss CE-1. Oh, and I do use two Pedal Powers on my board, but no Voodoo Lab pedals.

Seriously though... that Danelectro can be had for like $25 and it's awesome. I've rehoused one so I don't have to worry about stomping it too hard. Heheheh.

martin m. (mushrush), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 08:16 (nineteen years ago)

Fulltone 69!

It cost a bit more, but this pedal ate up a new Big Muff in side by side testing. The thing I liked about the Fulltone is that you could floor everything and yet still 'somewhat' pick out notes of a chord. Floor everything on a Big Muff and it just sounded like white noise.

The Fulltone is designed to get Hendrix's 1969 fuzz sound and the Fulltone 70 is based upon Hendrix's 1970 fuzz. This being the case, I would imagine the design is based on the Dallas Arbiter Fuzz Face.

http://www.fulltone.com/stpframe.html

Earl Nash (earlnash), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

I've never actually gotten into Fulltone for whatever reason... I should think if those pedals are meant to cop Jimi's fuzz tone (or be based on it) then yes they are probably intended to sound like a Fuzz Face in front of massive power tube distortion.

But don't forget that all Jimi's fuzz faces were modified by Roger Mayer, so there's no telling how much they resembled a stock Fuzz Face.

martin m. (mushrush), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I figured I'd be stepping into a minefield here. I'm not sure I want a Jimi sound so much - although it's a possibility. As far as "sound camp" goes...well, I guess fuzzes that are really appealing to me are somewhere between "Mother Sky"-era Karoli and the Music Machine stuff - either that piercing psychey sound or the fuckin fatass "woah, is that even a guitar?" thing.

I'm also mainly looking to use it for notes rather than chords, and I'm playing a Jazzmaster, if that makes any difference.

ZR (teenagequiet), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

I play the Fulltone 69 with humbucker guitars and it sounds fab in front of a Blues Junior, getting a sound not unlike a Joe Walsh period James Gang, early 70s kind of tone. I saw that Nels Cline has become a fan of the pedal on his recent update to his pedal board using it with a Jaguar and a Marshall JTM45 with Wilco with everything topped out.


earlnash, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

I found all of those fulltone pedals to be underwhelming when I tried them in the store. I was hoping that the soulbender would get a yardbirds kinda sound but I suppose like martin pointed out, that's just as much a component of the specific amp & everything. I haven't tried that many fuzz pedals but the zvex fuzz factory is my favorite of the ones I have tried.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

ZR, i'd recommend a big muff. it's better for single notes than chords, as it tends to get a bit muddy with multiple notes. A Rat type is better for chording in that respect.

AaronK (AaronK), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

The fuzz/distortion pedals made by Death By Audio are truly unique. Especially this one:

http://www.killerrockandroll.com/deathbyaudio/soundwavebreakdown.html

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

The Rat's not really a fuzz box... It's technically a distortion box because its circuit causes symmetrical hard clipping. The reason it behaves in a kind of fuzzlike manner compared to other distortions is because when the gain is way up the IC in the Rat clips to the supply rails and goes into some pretty severe slewing distortion as well.

I hate that OD, distortion and fuzz are all used interchangibly sometimes. I mean, the MXR distortion+ is one of my favorite overdrive pedals.

ZR for single notes ye old Jazzmaster->Big Muff is a pretty good combo. I would recommend the old green Russian muff if you like your fuzz a little more raunchy, though those are kinda pricey now. But hey... Jazzmaster through Big Muff is J.Mascis' thing, isn't it? That should give you a ballpark approximation. I'm pretty sure J uses the green Muff and an mid-era (80s most likely) US Muff.

Honestly though, the Sweet is so much better than the current US Big Muff it's worth the extra scratch IMO. You can download some short WAV files to listen here: http://www.frantone.com/sweetsounds.html There is one example of a humbucker Strat playing through the pedal, though there is no Jazzmaster. I promise I don't work for the company or anything either... I just love a couple of the pedals and sing their praises. :)

Also, effector 13 makes some amazingly weird fuzz pedals. A lot can definitely be in the "is that even a fucking guitar" camp: http://www.effector13.com/

martin m. (mushrush), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 22:52 (nineteen years ago)

Aaaaaaaaaagh those Sweet clips sound so good it's unbelievable - I'm gonna buy the shit out of one of those things. You guys rule! Making music is fun. I love my band. Also I'm drunk!

ZR (teenagequiet), Thursday, 8 December 2005 01:16 (nineteen years ago)

I think that Effector13 is the most interesting pedal maker on the planet right now...and it's hard to argue with the prices, when you compare them to other boutique pedal stuff.

I will throw in a recommendation for the Fender Blender, which is fucked-up-crazy, and a ton of fun.

John Justen (johnjusten), Thursday, 8 December 2005 05:18 (nineteen years ago)

I have used a Holowon Static Egg for a decent amount of time. It came cheaply for a handmade pedal. It can add varying degrees of ripping crackle that really cuts through a mix live or in a band. With the volume rolled back on the guitar it cleans up really well and adds a pleasent and present edge to clean and semi-clean tones. It's also quite capable of being unlistenable at the twist of a pot which is pretty key if you're someone who uses fuzztones judiciously.

Here's a review I put in the Harmony Central entry. Scroll down to the Dick Destiny entry which is me:

http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Holowon/Static_Egg-1.html

I have two other fuzzes that are good but which I don't come back to as much. A Nick Greer Black Fuzz -- which is a good-sounding simple silicon transistor circuit, and a HomeBrew UFO, which is a germanium circuit that also has a good octave up. However, the latter is very warm when doing simple fuzz things and mine is really only suited to single coils and P90's. Humbuckers sound to dark unless you're prepared to tweak EQ radically. The latters onboard tone control isn't radical enough.

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:20 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...
The Fender Blender is CRAZY! You can dial up a lot of different tones on this thing. There are endless combinations you can get by playing with the Sustain and the Tone Boost. I highly recommend it. It's very unorthodox.

The Voodoo Labs Proctavia is a lot of fun too. You can adjust the boost of the higher octave. Quite often I lower it and use it as a gnarly fuzz.

My next pedal is the ZVex Fuzz Factory.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 19:55 (nineteen years ago)

Judging by our sales of the Blender, I don't predict that there will be much future for it. Which is sad. The sort of people that would sant it won't try it, because of the supposed conservative Fender mindset, and the Fender vintage types don't generally get it AT ALL. I'll know more about it's future whan we get the new price lists in a week or so.

John Justen (johnjusten), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

I'd try it, but like I said upthread, I have a vintage Blender. ;)

The price point on the reissue (and the originals for that matter) is up with the boutique stuff. I always figured that had more to do with the poor sales than a misunderstanding of Fender's outlook on fuzz. That is a good point though, and you're probably right.

I think it's probably also that outside of collectors and maybe fans of Smashing Pumpkins, it's not a hugely well-known pedal to begin with.

martin m. (mushrush), Thursday, 12 January 2006 01:04 (nineteen years ago)

Best pedal I have tried, and now own, is a Zinky True Grit. Its a 2 switch arrangement that allows you to jump between slightly roughed up (think TS808, only better) and flat out Muff stuff. Has five knobs + an internal control that sets the 'difference' between the 2 swicthes. There is a boatload of sounds available. Can take a while to find 'em though as there is a fair bit of tinkering available with 5 pots.

Another good option are some of the 80's Ibanez pedals such as 'Metal Charger', and 'Super metal'. Some of these have the fabled JRC4558 chips and if ya find a good one can give you some quality sounds on the cheap. Bit like a Tube Screamer on steroids. Beware the low grade switches and hard mounted pots. They absolutely wont stand up to much abuse. Most are already ratshit.

BTW - watch out for the Rusky Big Muff. It'll fuck yer clean sound if you ever switch it out and only runs on batteries. Another pedal with cheap-ass, plastic, hard mounted jacks and pots. Mind you it has one sound that aint bad at times.

The Velvet Overlord (The Velvet Overlord), Friday, 13 January 2006 09:53 (nineteen years ago)

I've got almost every one of the 10 series Ibanez pedals... never had a problem with them standing up to abuse (and I have gigged some of them too) except for the switches which are indeed shit. BUT... so are the switches on the 9 series pedals. There are literally tons of distortion pedals from the 80s, Ibanez and otherwise, that use a 4558 chip. Of those, probably half of them use the JRC chips. Many use the TI version of the 4558 (which some tonehounds claim is superior to the JRC even!)

People act like JRC4558 chips are some sort of amazingly hard to find archeological treasure. I've got a box full of them in my basement. Maybe I should be like those dickheads who sell "TS9 conversion kits" on eBay.

I dunno man. If you can hear some amazing difference my hat's off to you.

I wasn't impressed with the Zinky at all though, so perhaps our taste in overdrive/distortion is not the same at all. :)

Also, I like the Russian Muff. At least the early silvery white ones and the green ones I like a lot. The current crop of black ones are alright. You can always swap out the jacks if you can wield a soldering iron...

martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 13 January 2006 10:19 (nineteen years ago)

Oh yeah... I was browsing Frantone's site a couple days ago, and she's made a new version of The Sweet pedal now that is voiced for bass! It's called the Bassweet, and I'm betting anything it sounds incredible. If you're into bass fuzz anyway...

martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 13 January 2006 10:21 (nineteen years ago)

I've got a vintage 70s Big Muff that looks rusty but still sounds amazing. The only problem is I rarely use it (or any distortion pedals for that matter) for playing, only for recording (which is uh... a little delinquent these days).

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 13 January 2006 17:36 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...
Anyone seen/heard/played a Jacques Fuseblower? (The handbuilt, not the FB-2). Rumored to bring the carnage while retaining chord definition. Fetishist that I am, that it's also a love offering to Chris Whitley's "Din Of Ecstasy" tone has me slavering.

rogermexico (rogermexico), Friday, 3 February 2006 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

I'll take that as a no. Which is fine, since I've already transferred my affections to the Euthymia Crucible. Stooges in a box!

rogermexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 9 February 2006 07:28 (nineteen years ago)

well, i broke down and bought a Zvex Fuzz Factory. a light blue sparkle one with the japanese writing at that.

i think i'm going to pony up for the Frantone Sweet soon. i've been convinced by the great reviews that liken it to a idealized, heavier Big Muff which is JUST what i need.

AND, i think i'm going to take the plunge with the Lovetone Cheese Source. yeah, an assload of cash ($550) but for two really high quality, awesome pedals which are collectors items at this point, it's pretty fair. anyone used one.. or a brown source/big cheese? thoughts?

b mulvey, Thursday, 9 February 2006 08:28 (nineteen years ago)

I played through a brown source once, it was a pretty awesome pedal, I must admit, but I found the price tag a bit hard to take.

The only actual fuzz pedal I have (as opposed to distortion/od pedals) is a wyllie rising sun, which is great, but I don't use it very often, I'm really digging totally clean electric guitar, so none of my o/ds are getting much use.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 9 February 2006 10:06 (nineteen years ago)

six years pass...

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