How do you eq voice?

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If I don't fix the eq it sounds sort of thin & high pitched which annoys me...
also does compression fix this?

Sandy Games (Sandy Games), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 00:18 (nineteen years ago)

Compression won't stop the voice sounding thin, this might be better solved by using a different mic. Which mic are you using at the moment? What kind of vocal style is it?

To answer the question, voice EQ is a complex subject and largely subective--there's no real set way to do it, nor any "one size fits all" approach.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 11:00 (nineteen years ago)

The general rule is that if it sounds like it needs EQ then its probably best recording it again. Keep things as unflumped as possible.

On one hand I've got myself to blame (Lynskey), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 15:29 (nineteen years ago)

This is a really useful article if you're new to EQ or just need to brush up:

http://www.recordingwebsite.com/articles/eqprimer.php

The article lists a lot of the settings normally used to correct various problems with vocals (and other instruments).

Lynskey is right though... you are better off using as little EQ as possible, so if you can isolate the problem and record again, that's probably best. (Of course you can't always record again, but I don't know what your situation is.)

What kind of mic and what kind of voice? There are some mics that work great on men and usually sound strident on women or men with higher ranges, some that work well for women but not for men, some that are just okay but not great for most everybody, etc. If I were recording someone, I'd be trying to pick the mic for the voice so as little EQ as possible was needed after the fact.

martin m. (mushrush), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 18:30 (nineteen years ago)

My friend's band recorded vocals with five different mics all set up and running at once, and used whichever track sounded the best for that vocalist/song/line etc..

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

Just a thought...how closely are you singing to the mic? The problem you're mentioning sounds a lot like a proximity effect issue (further from mic, less fullness, etc.) If you aren't using a large diaphragm condenser, try to sing into the mic at the same distance you would be from a telephone reciever, which is to say, closer than you think you should be.

This will be a lot easier to diagnose if we get a mic ID, I think.

John Justen (johnjusten), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

Well I'm using the CAD VSM microphone, and it's true that I'm not getting too close too it, because it picks up all extraneous noises like breathing etc...
Basically the recording itself sounds good, but when it's layered over the music I think all the midrange gets drowned out??
My solution this week is to boost the 600Hz range as much as possible, it seems to maybe work better, but it's a lot of eq, it doesn't seem like that could possibly be the standard

Sandy Games (Sandy Games), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 22:41 (nineteen years ago)

Does anything help if you change the stereo placement of the vocals or instruments a bit to give the voice some room? I don't know if this is an ideal solution, but it does make a difference to what sounds you can hear clearly and it might also help reveal places where the mid-range or the volume level can maybe be reduced a bit in another instrument.

Pangolino 2, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 23:22 (nineteen years ago)

Well it's hard because the music is all electronic and recorded beforehand...

Sandy Games (Sandy Games), Thursday, 5 January 2006 00:52 (nineteen years ago)

try cutting the mids of the other instruments & see if that helps..

jim p. irrelevant (electricsound), Thursday, 5 January 2006 01:12 (nineteen years ago)

xpost - Yeah - that'd make it harder. I have lots of unfinished recordings on 2-track submixes, and I find it's a real problem to finish them that way, because I'd narrowed the options for other sounds too early on - the new parts are really hard to come up with, and almost impossible to fit in well mix-wise. If the music is done via MIDI, it might still be possible to mix the music differently without needing to replicate a great performance. How do other electronic/vocal musicians get around this, or is it usually even a problem? I'd certainly try jim's solution in any case.

Pangolino 2, Thursday, 5 January 2006 01:27 (nineteen years ago)

When I hear new bands it seems like they put tons of effects on the voices nowadays anyway, so maybe if it's a little distorted it's OK. I definitely can't just leave it au naturel or it ruins the whole song. I like the EQ article, but for voice it seemed they were fixing a different type of problem...

Sandy Games (Sandy Games), Thursday, 5 January 2006 02:18 (nineteen years ago)

Your problem as stated was that the vocals sounded "thin and high pitched." Since pitch really has nothing to do with EQ, I figured you meant "thin." There are definitely quite a few little EQ tricks you can do to increase the fullness of vocals, and at least one of them is mentioned in that EQ primer.

Now, if the real problem is getting your vocals to sit right in the mix, it's probably more than the vocals that need some EQ. A lot of times you need to "carve out" space for them to fit. Like, you might boost the vocals a little around 3k to make them a little easier to understand, and then you might also cut the guitars or synths around 3k to further enhance the vocals without just boosting the bejesus out of them.

martin m. (mushrush), Thursday, 5 January 2006 06:03 (nineteen years ago)

A little bit of reverb will help to fill out the vocal too.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Thursday, 5 January 2006 11:34 (nineteen years ago)


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