Recording Guitar Feedback

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Hi everyone! What a great website! I've already learned so much and you guys are all so very funny.

Anyway I want to record guitar feedback and would like to know your recommendations regarding a) choice of amplifiers b) choice of guitar/pickups and c) recording techniques e.g. microphone placement etc.

I'm aiming for a sound halfway between Spacemen 3 and James Blunt.

Can you help?

dave marsh, Thursday, 19 January 2006 22:23 (nineteen years ago)

This may sound like I'm taking the piss, but I'm not:

a) whatever you're already using
b) whatever you're already using
c) however you're already recording, but with everything turned up loud enough to feed back.

martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 20 January 2006 01:42 (nineteen years ago)

an overdrive peddle might help too.

jim p. irrelevant (electricsound), Friday, 20 January 2006 01:46 (nineteen years ago)

If you have multiple guitars, plug each one in and tap the pickup covers. Whichever one makes the most click noise will be your best bet.

You can also enhance feedback with overzealous compression settings...also, get really close to the amp. Feedback is often more about proximity than gear choice.

This is all in addition to the volume/overdrive suggestions from martin/jim above, which are catually the most important hints.

You really shouldn't do anything different with your amp miking technique.

John Justen (johnjusten), Friday, 20 January 2006 02:47 (nineteen years ago)

For home recordings, you can always get real close to the monitors of whatever console your microphone is plugged into.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 20 January 2006 02:59 (nineteen years ago)

For a low-volume way of getting guitar feedback, try taping one of those mini amps to a mic boom stand, run the guitar thru it, and step up close to it when you want feedback to occur.

Also:

I'm aiming for a sound halfway between Spacemen 3 and James Blunt.

I've got to say, that's a weird mix!

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 20 January 2006 09:59 (nineteen years ago)

criminey heck dave, you're a jolly rum cove what.

this may not sound like i'm taking the piss but i really am - how dashed original of you!

as ILMM's inaugural troll, i want you to look deep inside yourself and admit that you lurk here all the time and behind that caustic persona YOU SECRETLY LOVE US!

john clarkson, Friday, 20 January 2006 11:58 (nineteen years ago)

i would definitely add a compressor in there somewhere, it'll make the feedback more even and listenable.

AaronK (AaronK), Friday, 20 January 2006 13:23 (nineteen years ago)

To echo what some other posters have stated but more so:

Get so close that you touch the head of your guitar to the amp.

righteousmaelstrom (righteousmaelstrom), Friday, 20 January 2006 17:12 (nineteen years ago)

this may not sound like i'm taking the piss but i really am - how dashed original of you!

as ILMM's inaugural troll, i want you to look deep inside yourself and admit that you lurk here all the time and behind that caustic persona YOU SECRETLY LOVE US!

lol :)

But surely one would be better off with a tube guitar amp for starters?

dave marsh, Monday, 23 January 2006 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

four months pass...
It really depends on what feedback you want.
for instance if you want the squaky squaling feedback then use a guitar with humbuckers and a valveastate amp
If you want more lower feedback that you can actually change the pitch of then have a guitar with single coil pickups and either type of amp (solid state preffered) and what you do is turn the amp up nice and loud and have it on the bridge pickup and hammer A# b or C on the g string while having your other hand above your right hand and holding the strings so they dont interfere, and as the note is ringing the amp will send out vibrations and give you harmonic feedback.

Other then that you should get an amp with an output that dosent mute the speaker itself and run it straight to the comp. or even get a special preamp, coz hi frequencys dont come in easily in the comp

Matty Ku, Wednesday, 31 May 2006 08:45 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...
Guitars with better resonance and/or sustain characteristics will obviously give you the best harmonic feedback.

Necks (in order of preference): neck-through, set neck (glued in), bolt-on.

Bodies: hollow, semi-hollow, dense solid-bodies like the Les Paul, others...

Bridges: you want a "hard-tail" bridge that actually has a mechanical connection to the body. Whammys can be used to manipulate the feedback some, but tend to not transmit the energy of the string to the body (and vice versa) as well. Something where the strings actually feed through the body is good, but the Les Paul style bridge works well too.

The absolute winner for amplified string feedback would be a steel-string acoustic with a fairly hot magnetic pickup. Given a bit of compression/overdrive you won't be able to stop the strings vibrating even at low volumes. At higher volumes it'll feel like it's ready to shake itself apart!

I like the idea above of using a small amp in close proximity in order to keep the volume down.

Keep in mind that the sound waves can be transmitted mechanically to the guitar as well. That means that even if you can't get it to feedback at a given volume by holding it in front of the amp, you might be able to get something if you actually touch part of the guitar to the amp. It usually works best if you touch either the headstock or the the strap button end to the amp. If the amp is standing on a fairly resonant (like hardwood) floor you can also often just touch the thing to the floor.

For no-volume solutions you can look to the [url=http://ebow.com]E-bow[/url] or something like the [url=http://www.sustainiac.com/]Sustainiac[/url]

Anything that adds resonance to the guitar sound will help as well. You will need to work to "tune" the resonance to the notes you want to feedback. Wah pedals work for this, but a short delay with a bit of feedback can also be used.

The Boss [url=http://guitargeek.com/gearview/55/]DF-2 Feedbacker[/url] is actually a synthesizer of it's own. It tracks the note you're playing and oscillates at that frequency. Not true feedback. You could get an effect similar to this with a delay pedal that has a hold or infinite repeat function.

Ash Blackwater, Saturday, 1 July 2006 18:48 (nineteen years ago)

Well, the links came out funny, but you get the idea.

If you are actually looking for that squeally horrible feedback you want to look for pickups that are microphonic. As was mentioned above, tap your pickups. If the sound coming through the amp is quite loud and sounds a lot like the acoustic sound you'll be fine. I think that solid state distortions seem to be better for this kind of things than most others. The DOD Death Metal that I have makes some incredible microphonic feedback, though I suspect this is actually some kind of malfunction in the pedal itself (ie, it is self-oscillating somehow).

The best way to get this kind of feedback, however, is to just stick a dynamic microphone in front of an amplifier. Believe it or not, microphone feedback can be controlled and manipulated both by proximity as well as positioning. You can also use filtering (bust out the wah pedal again) to tune the resonance of this "circuit". I've had some quite interesting results using mic-preamp-sweepable mid eq-headphones.

As an addendum to the idea about the acoustic guitar, those dean-markley "woody" pickups work okay for this as well, but it will be a balancing act between string and microphonic feedback.

Ash Blackwater, Saturday, 1 July 2006 18:59 (nineteen years ago)

ash, by your logic I need a neck through hollowbody. MAN THAT'D BE SWEET.

kidding of course.

I think anything hollow is a bit hard for me to control, unless it's a passage of JUST feedback.

on a side note, I think that the process of recording guitar with the instrument removed from the amp (you know, so the guitarist doesn't have to be bombarded by his raging impotence factory stack) is extremely detrimental to the final glue of a mix. the guitar's gotta feel it.

cathokay (aWESome), Saturday, 1 July 2006 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

his raging impotence factory stack

Urg.

Urnst Kouch (Urnst Kouch), Saturday, 1 July 2006 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

If you want to be able to do controlled feedback, you might want to check out a guitar with Fernandes Sustainer pickup. It is pretty similar concept as an Ebow, but it seemed to me a bit easier to control.

http://www.fernandesguitars.com/sustainer/susartists.html

Earl Nash (earlnash), Sunday, 2 July 2006 02:55 (nineteen years ago)

Funnily enough, my Behringer strat copy feeds back at far lower volumes than my Rick 330.

I did say, however, that the ideal would be an acoustic guitar.

I realize now that I left out "electric-acoustics" with built in piezos. These will give you plenty of string feedback as well, and are fairly resistant to microphonic feedback. The reason I didn't mention them before is that I feel they are mostly useless for anything else. I personally can't stand the sound of piezo pickups except for certain special effects.

Ash Blackwater, Tuesday, 4 July 2006 04:22 (nineteen years ago)

i picked up an Ibanez WD7 as reccomended by JJ on these fine boards

you can set it to sweep across the eq range and that combined with a semi and a tube amp/compressor set up is giving me some very controllable and harmonic feedback tones.

beeble (beeble), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 04:34 (nineteen years ago)


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