software for noise reduction/archiving

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ok so i'm looking for some basic basic advice on a sound project that isn't exactly musical. it requires digitizing some ancient poor-quality recordings and trying to clean as much of the noise and level problems as possible to create a usable archival copy. looking for some mac software/hardware advice here on what type of setup would work, plus any tips as to what sorts of filters / settings on filters would produce particularly good results.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 7 April 2006 03:00 (nineteen years ago)

for a free, high-quality digital audio workstation go to www.ardour.org. after you've got it running, with the plugins from the website, there are a number of effects, like noise gates and lowpass filters, that can remove static and shit. this is all assuming you've got the sound off the tapes/whatever analog thing they're on converted to wavs or whatever ... cant help you with that part

jcsil, Friday, 7 April 2006 05:28 (nineteen years ago)

I'd say don't do it yourself unless you have some of the basic tools...I know the Waves bundle has something, but you really want to use a system that has this installed:

http://www.digidesign.com/products/details.cfm?product_id=1041&template=overview

Any kind of gate or filter is a more global thing, this takes a picture of the noise from a silent part of the recording and tries to remove it from the rest.

Beyond that there are pro systems like Ceder and Sonic Solutions which used to be the standard for cleaning stuff transferred from vinyl.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 7 April 2006 13:15 (nineteen years ago)

thanks dan! assuming that this project isn't going to be done on a for-serious professional level that requires a $800-$1200 plugin or an even more expensive box, what are some suggestions for how to properly adjust more basic gated noize reduction filters & how much more can manual gain adjustment & eq help & do you get a huge boost out of localized tweaking as opposed to global changes?

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 7 April 2006 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

I just think you'd be better off going to some friend who has pro-tools and can, um, get a copy of that plug-in or something similar. I think their supposed to be much better then just trying to manual filter stuff.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 7 April 2006 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

Sterling, you can do basic gain adjustments and equalization in most any digital music editor. Sometimes, localized tweaking as well as a global tweak is the only way a track can be made acceptable. I've done a lot of this with Tracertek Diamond Cut audio restoration software and Cool Edit Pro, which is now Adobe Audition. But they are both PC programs. There must be software for the Mac but I am unfamiliar with it.

The fundamentals, however, would be the same for Mac software.

To reclaim vinyl with ticks, pops and crackle, you need algorithms within the editing software that do just that. Most are easy to start using as you can run them in preview on just about any desktop computer and hear the changes, the actual clean up. When you come up with something you like, then you can apply it to the .wav file and make a copy of the cleaned up material. Using them just right take some practice but it's not so steap that you can't do things in a reasonable amount of time and achieve good result.

These filters are great but not perfect. When you treat a stereo signal in this manner and clicks, pops and crackle are removed, you're essentially removing small slices of information and replacing it with -- generally -- a microscopically muted insertion.
The more you do it, the more musical information is removed.The result can be a narrowing of the stereo field, a loss of some punch.
Some of this can be added back by using expansion or compression, or again doing an EQ tweak. Once you get into it, you acquire experience by doing and find out what works and what doesn't.

To do straight noise reduction, you will likely want to use a software with an algorithm that samples the constant full spectrum noise (for example, tape hiss, hum, buzz, rumble from vinyl/turntable). You do it by going to the beginning or the end of the track -- or a moment of silence where the music is not going, but the noise is. The software takes a snapshot of that spectrum and then uses it in a subtraction-like scrub of the entire file.

You can apply just a little to reduce noise below a general threshold of hearing determined by you, or try and get rid of all of it. The more you squeeze the algorithm, the more noise you remove and it is not without cost. In its place you get a lower level pink noise and some time slurring of the traffic. If you've had recordings on remasters of demos and such where the tape or old vinyl source was really stepped on by such a filter, you'll hear a kind of crystalline twittering sound in the quiet parts.

You shouldn't have to pay $1200 for pro quality software to do this.
Diamond Cut cost me -- oh, it's been a long time now, about $300 tops. Cool Edit Pro was around $250. There must be something in the same ballpark for Macs.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Friday, 7 April 2006 18:13 (nineteen years ago)

Waves set the standard a few years back with X-Noise - http://www.waves.com/content.asp?id=140

they've got a higher resolution one out now I haven't tried yet: http://www.waves.com/content.asp?id=2027

and the Sony Oxfords from last year got great reviews: http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/2004/Oxford-Restortion.html

you have to be very careful with these -- a very light hand -- they do subtract the hiss and pops, but they also take the sting off any transients, make drums sound like wet shoes

the Waves X-Noise is brilliant -- you select a section of the audio with just the hiss, hit 'learn' to learn the noise profile, then re-select the entire file you want to subtract the noise out of and raise the threshhold / reduction a tiny bit at a time . you can flip to 'difference' to hear exactly what noise is being subtracted out of the signal, and if you're hearing anything but hiss -- like little wispy bits of the high hats, or sybillants -- then you're taking too much away, pull back on the reduction.

another thing to keep in mind -- though it's possible to totally remove _all_ noise, you should seldom do this -- you want a light touch, often hiss acts as a bonding agent for the mix and taking all of it out leaves the sound dead & dull.

I use these for more than noise removal, they're great.

milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 7 April 2006 22:13 (nineteen years ago)

this has been totally helpful so far. another question -- it seems the main things that need to be done are A) hiss filter [which, even if fancy, amounts to a gated low pass filter of some super-cool varient thereof] B) declick/decrackle C)normalizing levels D) manual EQing / gain adjustment

so first, am i missing anything?

and second, what's the correct order do do this stuff in? the order i laid out seems intuitively correct (hiss filter will work best before other tweaks, etc.) but maybe decrackle should go first?

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 7 April 2006 22:15 (nineteen years ago)

decrackle first (you want the pops as distinct as possible on the first pass), then hiss removal, then EQ, then normalize/master

if you can get a hold of actual restoration noise removal software, do -- much better than a hardcore no-way-back low pass filter

milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 7 April 2006 22:18 (nineteen years ago)

& normalizing / mastering is always the very, very last thing you should do to an audio file. if you're listening to your master and start wanting to do further tweaks to the EQ, you should probably back up to the premaster to do them (unless your tweaks are all subtractive and you're pressed for time)

fancy noise removal softwares aren't low pass filters -- think of them as 500-band EQs set very sharp to only subtract out the hiss, leaving any high end frequencies above the hiss range still intact. not like there are going to be many of them on a cassette, but I was often surprised at the difference

milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 7 April 2006 22:29 (nineteen years ago)

The Sony plug-ins look like they offer somewhat simplified versions of what the Diamond Cut forensic software does. You have somewhat
less control of parameters but it probably doesn't matter for most people and lots of jobs.

A constant noise sample and remove algorithm set (or plug in) would seem necessary, too. Low pass filters, band pass and notch filtering is nice to have around but not really the same kind of bird.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Saturday, 8 April 2006 01:28 (nineteen years ago)

A couple of years ago I downloaded the demo of the Waves Restoration bundle -not sure if its still the same, but back then they let you use it free for two weeks. If your project could get done in that length of time, that could be an option.

Conor (Conor), Saturday, 8 April 2006 12:52 (nineteen years ago)


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