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I've been playing rock music for some time, pretty familiar with the effects, equip, etc. But now I'm really interested in finding out how in the world some bands, groups, performers, etc. can perform their music. A lot of drone bands, I know, use the eBow and a delay pedal in conjunction with the regular guitar setup. But what about the sounds that come out of Ciccone Youth's the Whitey Album, or the stuff that Wolf Eyes does, or even Merzbow? I can't even begin to understand how he makes music. In lamen's terms, can some one explain this to me or even point me to a site where I can read about it? I am very curious.

David St. Hubbins (David St. Hubbins), Thursday, 27 April 2006 13:44 (nineteen years ago)

Lots of common effects pedals can add up to drone and noise, especially ones that add harmonics (distortion, harmonizers) and sustain (distortion, delay, sustainer). But the really useful stuff, noise-wise, comes from effects like ring modulators, which can create a lot of the harsh / metallic / dissonant sounds you're talking about (see for instance the Moogerfooger) -- beyond the everyday tone-shaping guitar stompbox, there are plenty of tools doing much more open-ended modulations.

And the open-ended modulations they're doing are a lot like the ones on analog synths (and their software replicas), with their subtractive synthesis, multiple oscillators, resonant filters, noise generators, and so on. It's very easy to make amelodic noises and drones with them, and then modulate and control them in a million different ways.

So I dunno if I can answer your question specifically, but I'm pretty sure the thing you're looking for lies in that direction -- things like ring modulators and resonant filters in particular have a lot to do with the sounds you're talking about.

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 27 April 2006 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

That's very helpful but way over my head. I am going to read about the stuff that you mentioned, hopefully understand it better. It's really fascinating though. Open-ended Modulations, is that something that generates sound or noise as a standalone object or instrument, apart from a guitar, synthesizer, etc.?

http://www.jazzmagazine.com/Musique/oreille/images34/merzbowint2.jpg

J.

David St. Hubbins (David St. Hubbins), Thursday, 27 April 2006 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

"Open-ended modulations" was just my description of what some of these things do. One thing modulates another.

For instance, a ring modulator just takes a signal and multiplies the frequency (I think multiplies) by that of another signal. One thing changes the other. So you might plug an instrument into one, and the unit might modulates the instrument signal based on something else -- perhaps a frequency that it's creating internally, like a sine wave. (And it might have knobs to let you control what kind of sine wave.) So it creates a much more complicated sound, and one that can sound disharmonic or noisy or bad if you want it to.

You can get something like that as a stand-alone box. They're also built in to lots of other devices, like complicated analog-style synthesizers. You know those old analog synths, like Moogs, with all the input jacks and patch cords hanging everywhere? Those work entirely on the "one thing modulates another" principle. The basic sounds they "create" are just sine waves (or square waves, or sawtooth waves, or random noise) -- most everything else you get out of them is by specifying that this sine wave will be affected by that square wave, this wave here will affect the pitch or volume (or whatever) of that wave there ... on and on until you have a sound that's really complex, and, if you want it, really noisy and jacked-up and weird. The basic "one thing modulates another" pieces, the circuits and units, can be used for any sound you want.

Hopefully that makes more sense. The other thing I mentioned was resonant filters: those just process sounds by cutting out different parts of the frequency spectrum, almost like an extreme form of EQ. But you can control and change what they're cutting, which creates interesting effects, and you can control their "resonance," which is how much they're emphasizing the frequencies right around the part you cut. That sounds overly technical, but the point is that the "resonance" part creates a sound that's used often by the artists you're talking about.

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 27 April 2006 17:47 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...
rough sounding medal things rubbed against guitar strings + fuzz + loud tube amp + buncha dudes with glasses sitting down arms cross = what you want

Jamey Lewis (Jameys Burning), Monday, 15 May 2006 07:26 (nineteen years ago)


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