I'm mastering the record today!!!! YAY!

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going in at 4 o'clock to master w/Dave Gardner at Magneto Mastering here in Mpls...he's done a bunch of stuff...Dillinger Four, Plastic Constellations, Hold Steady/Lifter Puller, Selby Tigers, etc...nice dude I'm excited to see if he can make this record sound good! (I'm in that stage where I totally doubt all the final mixes)....

The best part about mastering is I don't even really know what it is! It just makes it sound the same except better and louder! Magick!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

actually looked him up and he mastered Audit in Progress by Hot Snakes too and engineered one of my fav Am Rep releases EVER - "My Scientist Friends" by the Freedom Fighters...

here's his CV

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:9kq4g4a9tvnz~1~T40B

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

Congrats and good luck!

Jubalique (Jubalique), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 00:46 (nineteen years ago)

Hoorah! Let me know how it goes.

John Justen (johnjusten), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 14:54 (nineteen years ago)

I would also like to know what exactly mastering is - are the individudal track files messed with, or do you just adjust entire songs at once?

Dominique (dleone), Thursday, 4 May 2006 13:04 (nineteen years ago)

The tracks have been bounced down to stereo mixes at this point, and that's all you deal with.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 4 May 2006 13:15 (nineteen years ago)

Take a look at this, Dominique. I got it from looking around the site linked over on the ILM thread Mastering for Laptops. (Great thread BTW. Why it's over there and not here, I dunno.)

http://www.cdmasteringservices.com/whatismastering.htm

righteousmaelstrom (righteousmaelstrom), Thursday, 4 May 2006 13:57 (nineteen years ago)

I would also like to know what exactly mastering is - are the individudal track files messed with, or do you just adjust entire songs at once?

It's working with the entire songs....basically, your basic final mixes tend to be a little bit all over the place in terms of EQing, so there is some high level EQing going on, trying to tame any wierd bass or low-mid frequencies, basically trying to get the songs to seem cohesive as an album.

The biggest thing is basically compression...making it louder...to which you can do to various degrees.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 4 May 2006 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

cool. I will have to do this myself later this year, and I'm glad I don't have to lug a bunch of track files somewhere else again

Dominique (dleone), Thursday, 4 May 2006 14:15 (nineteen years ago)

The biggest part of mastering is EQing and compression. These things are done to stereo bounces of tracks. Compression makes the loud parts quieter and then boosts the entire signal, resulting in a louder average level. EQing adjusts the relative levels of different frequencies on the track.

Steve Goldberg (Steve Goldberg), Thursday, 4 May 2006 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

I'm glad I don't have to lug a bunch of track files somewhere else again

It's true, they're v. heavy.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 4 May 2006 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

they are

Dominique (dleone), Thursday, 4 May 2006 18:13 (nineteen years ago)

Especially the bass tracks.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 4 May 2006 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

btw masterine went okay...dave was great, but I think we kinda screwed up...it seems way too compressed....I made the mistake of thinking I knew what the fuck was going on...he had a basic setup running when we arrived, then I brought some reference CDs....basically all the stuff I brought was super compressed and that pushed us in maybe a bad direction...god why didn't I just shut my fucking mouth and let him do his job??????

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 4 May 2006 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

cdmasteringservices.com. You can summarize every bit of "advice"
on that website in two or three sentences. If you don't get your CD mastered by me or someone like me, you're an amateur. If the CD I mastered isn't to your liking, it's not my fault, it's yours because you're an amateur. Even if I master your CD, you're still an amateur.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Thursday, 4 May 2006 20:45 (nineteen years ago)

But all of those things are done in the mastering process. However the last paragraph grated on me, especially:

Industry executives can tell a professional production from an amateur one. Professionals always have their projects mastered while unsigned artists usually make the mistake of skipping this important process.

So not true.

righteousmaelstrom (righteousmaelstrom), Thursday, 4 May 2006 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

The guy should keep his nose in the studio and skip trying to be edumacational on the web. If there was much to any of his recommendations, bromides and truisms, most of the music I've listened to and greatly enjoyed in my life would have gotten hung up somewhere for lack of the labor of "pros." In his usage, you can view the definition of "pro" as a club, one you're not in.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Thursday, 4 May 2006 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

Here's some old experience I had with a mastering engineer. This, when it was done for vinyl production to an acetate. The man had a big set up, worked hard to sell everyone on how much a pro he was and his great library of experience as an audio engineer. The first record, I watched him like a hawk and the job turned out acceptable.

So while I thought he was a flake, the end result was fine and I decided to use him again for the second LP. Mistake. Then he ruined it, inexplicably so. Fans and music writers were mystified as to why the advance home copies of the tape sounded decent and the LP sounded poor.

I am betting the advent of the home PC as powerful enough to duplicate his studio in software put him out of business.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Thursday, 4 May 2006 21:37 (nineteen years ago)

You do bring up a good point, george: If possible, watch the mastering engineer like a hawk. Unless you're sending your stuff across the country, try to have someone in your group attend the mastering session.

When we had an ep of ours mastered the engineer let us sit in on the session and we were able to discuss with him what he was doing and how he was doing it. He also bounced different ideas of how we wanted the mastered songs to sound. We were pretty happy with the results.

The second time we had another guy master our album. We dropped the files off to him and it was like "I'll have this back to you for review in a week." Needless to say the job was not nearly as good. I, for one, was not very happy at all with it. A note about this as well -- both the ep and the album were recorded in the same place on the same equipment. If anything, the guy who recorded us had gotten better between recording the ep and the album.

righteousmaelstrom (righteousmaelstrom), Thursday, 4 May 2006 21:55 (nineteen years ago)

I am betting the advent of the home PC as powerful enough to duplicate his studio in software put him out of business.

yeah...i dunno...that whole "my friend can master it on his laptop" can be a disaster...there's still something to having A) experience and B) those super fucking expensive compressors....

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 4 May 2006 22:35 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, he's dead. By 1990 I'd become totally antagonized by work with audio engineers and miscellaneous "pros" who were either openly or cryptically hostile to the music that you bought their services for. "Pro," "experience" and "expensive gear" become just
words when musicians come face to face with that.

If you're a nobody, you always have to be careful you don't become prey. If you're a somebody, someone else's investment, then you don't really need them then, do you?

My philosophy, if you're going to throw your money away, throw it away on yourself.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Thursday, 4 May 2006 22:56 (nineteen years ago)

Again, I suppose some of my personal experience would be helpful. A year or so ago, I got asked to assemble an EP project for Metal Mike Saunders of the Angry Samoans. It was for a four song thing to be pitched as a promotional CDR item to radio and sold to fans at shows.

I had restored some old vinyl to CD for Saunders and he had asked how I did it and what I had. He liked what was done and subsequently went to his friend at Triple X records with the plan. At the last minute he contacted me, giving me about a day to do the job so that CDR for radio and a show in Hollywood could be quickly duplicated.

I had to take the stuff from some old Samoans CDs, a new track that had not been released and miscellaneous old radio spots, normalize it all, make it sound sonically congruent, bleep the curse words
for duplicate tracks sent to radio, make vocals more present on stereo mixes and "fix" what was considered a bad mastering job on a track taken from the Back from Samoa CD. Bill Inglot, a very famous guy, had done the CD mastering years ago and Saunders was not happy with. Saunders' complaint was that it didn't match the impact of the vinyl and he was right, it didn't. So however it got that way, could I fix it? Maybe, maybe not.

So I did it and Peter of Triple X ran them off at one of those CDRs in a sleeve with art and 200 copies or so in 24 hours burning places and they were sent to radio and were put in boxes for shows. The obvious reason Triple X had an interest is that Saunders sells a considerable number of Samoans CDs for the label off the merch table -- and I do mean considerable -- at every gig.

I have no idea what Mike did with the rest of them. Probably sent them to friends and used them as promotional items.

Saunders liked the job. I had listened to my old vinyl copy of Back from Samoa and compared it to the track they gave me to work with, made a value judgment on what I thought was wrong -- it was definitely undermastered to the dynamic range -- thought about what might bring it closer to the vinyl, and did the deed. Saunders liked that. The record company guy liked the radio-bleeped versions, not that it did anyone any good. One guy who played lead guitar on one of the tracks whined slightly that the guitar sounded too dry. Yep, it sounded dry in the stereo mix and I could have fucked with it but the object on that track was to make the vocal less muddled sounding and smothering the track in reverb and delay wasn't going to be part of that recipe for the day.

Anyway, am I better than big name "pros" who worked on the original prints? Heck if I know but I do know I long taken a dim view on the omniscience and general guaranteed utility of certified "pros."

George 'the Animal' Steele, Thursday, 4 May 2006 23:23 (nineteen years ago)

one year passes...

we watched over this guy's shoulder while he mastered our album on friday. never had anything professionally mastered before so we wanted to check it out. it was kind of fascinating and boring at the same time.

n/a, Monday, 28 January 2008 20:23 (seventeen years ago)

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Jordan, Monday, 28 January 2008 22:27 (seventeen years ago)

Carl Saff seems like a nice fellow, I almost had him master my record but wouldn't have been able to watch him do it. I hope you're pleased with the results, Nick.

St3ve Go1db3rg, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 03:14 (seventeen years ago)


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