Beginning Bass

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D: Okay, so this may totally be the wrong place to put this, but I've gotta try.
I've been wanting to play bass for over two years now and finally convinced my 'rents to buy me one as an early birthday present (17 in August, gosh I'm young D: ). So...now I have this totally cute pink Daisy Rock Heartbreaker, but I have no idea how to play it. I've been trying to find sites that'll show me how to play, but everything just confuses me. I can't convince my 'rents to take me to any of the music/guitar shops to get a How to Play Bass book with DVD (as my friend who is a genius on the drums suggested). And no, I don't have a liscense so I can't drive myself down there and get one. D:
I'm also lacking in an amp(dare I ask if I can find one at Wal-Mart?).
Pretty much, I'm lacking everything and need some serious help!

Thanks, guys.

Recca, Wednesday, 7 June 2006 01:59 (nineteen years ago)

Order a dvd and amp from Musician's Friend? It looks like there are tons out there.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 04:03 (nineteen years ago)

Book/DVD should be available at Amazon.

On the amp front, just keep hassling your parents until they get you to a music store. You're going to want to make a local connection, because Musician's Friend/Walmart aren't going to have much interest in answering all the odd, dumb questions that are certain to come up as a beginner Bass player...

John Justen, Penis-melting Zionist robot combs (johnjusten), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

Ed Friedland's books look like they might be pretty good. I think he's got an intro method book.

Looks like Peavey discontinued the Microbass, which was a very nice little practice amp, as far as being lightweight and sounding good. I'm sure you could get a used one.

Sons Of The Redd Desert (Ken L), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 17:09 (nineteen years ago)

Microbass seconded.

John Justen, Penis-melting Zionist robot combs (johnjusten), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, if anyone needs a microbass, we apparently still have one left in stock. Who knew?

John Justen, Penis-melting Zionist robot combs (johnjusten), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

oh, you probably shouldnt try to play it through a guitar amp ;)

AaronK (AaronK), Thursday, 8 June 2006 00:00 (nineteen years ago)

MOD THAT SUCKER

electric sound of jim (and why not) (electricsound), Thursday, 8 June 2006 01:20 (nineteen years ago)

The Friedland books are good -- they're clear and correct, which makes them better than 98.47% of bass method books. Most of what you find on the web is NONSENSE and best avoided.

Recca, most of the stuff you need to be a good bass player is self-teachable, except for left and right hand technique, which you should really have shown to you by a good player. The bad news is that there are plenty of professionals out there with lousy technique (by which I don't mean that they can't play a million notes a second, I mean they're in danger of screwing up their hands permanently); the good news is that you can learn the bassics (get it?) in an hour's lesson. Don't forget colleges with a good music department as a source of good bass teachers -- you're often better off there than at the music store.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 8 June 2006 12:21 (nineteen years ago)

lousy technique
I believe Colin is talking about the great debate between Simandl/upright-bass 1-2-4 fingering and the finger-per-fret left hand approach.

Sons Of The Redd Desert (Ken L), Thursday, 8 June 2006 13:35 (nineteen years ago)

No, not really -- more about the need for an approach that doesn't screw up your wrist, which can be 1-2-4 or 1-2-3-4 (Simandl hardcore lunatics to the contrary).

Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 8 June 2006 14:12 (nineteen years ago)

i want to play like mark knopler from level 42

beeble (beeble), Thursday, 8 June 2006 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

I think I'll let Colin handle that one.

Sons Of The Redd Desert (Ken L), Thursday, 8 June 2006 21:35 (nineteen years ago)

Beeble, you're confused. Dave "The Leveler" Knopfler plays a Mark 42 bass in the Flecktones. You actually want to play bass like Scott Walker from the Beatles.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Friday, 9 June 2006 06:57 (nineteen years ago)

Scott Walker was in the The Walker Brothers not The Beatles - get your facts straight!

beeble (beeble), Friday, 9 June 2006 08:19 (nineteen years ago)

colin what wrist trouble are you referring to? carpal tunnel/tendonitis due to an overly flexed wrist or what?

jfklsd, Friday, 9 June 2006 08:40 (nineteen years ago)

Beeble, my facts are as straight as my wrists. The Walker Brothers were a Beatles side project,and they weren't brothers, and their names weren't even Walker (well, ok, Scott's was). Scott played a 7-string Olympic fretless, although he had frets put in later.

Yeah, I mean tendon troubles, repetitive stress injury, all that jazz. "Overly flexed wrist" is simplifying the many things you can do wrong to screw yourself up, but it's not a bad mental picture.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Friday, 9 June 2006 10:17 (nineteen years ago)

See the Wikipedia article on "The Walker Brothers". Scott Walker did not and has never played bass in the Beatles. Nor was "The Walker Brothers" a Beatles side project:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Walker_Brothers


Lastly, wrist trouble can be avoided in many cases by sensible practice:
Don't spend hours at a time practicing, break up practice between technical stuff and pieces. Then take some time out.

Andrew Munro (andyboyo), Sunday, 11 June 2006 14:55 (nineteen years ago)

I guess the geniuses at Wikipedia don't have an artcle about 7-string fretless Olympic basses, or you'd have corrected me on that as well. I was kidding about the Scott Walker stuff (as would be obvious to anyone but a prize dope), but quite serious with my technique advice. If you play with poor technique, it will eventually catch up with you -- with proper technique, you can play for years without trouble. Overpractice can be a problem, of course, but rarely a problem for beginners, and almost never a problem for people with efficient technique (IT'S MORE THAN JUST WRISTS!!!!!!!)

Colin Meeder (Mert), Sunday, 11 June 2006 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

(Andrew: while you're doing the wiki thing, look up Mark Knopfler for God's sake. Then try Mark King. Yee-ha!)

Colin Meeder (Mert), Sunday, 11 June 2006 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

Carol Kaye, although being a little nutty in some ways, seems to have some good technical advice on her site.

Sons Of The Redd Desert (Ken L), Sunday, 11 June 2006 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

if its more than just wrists, TELL US. i had a nerve injury in my left arm unrelated to guitar playing, but i became very aware about ergonomics after this. so i am always looking to absorb tips & advice for good stringed instrument technique. they're bastards, those guitars ...

jigdfxo, Sunday, 11 June 2006 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

For one thing, a bass guitar is not an electric guitar is not a classical guitar. You're not sitting there playing something with a flat neck with nylon strings with one foot raised up on an little rest.

I'd like to heard from Colin some more details of the approach he espouses. I had some problems so I backed away from a finger-per-fret approach to a more three-frets for four-fingers approach.

Sons Of The Redd Desert (Ken L), Sunday, 11 June 2006 18:19 (nineteen years ago)

I don't believe in a one-size-fits-all approach (Carole Kaye does have some good advice, but I think she's WAY too dogmatic), and the reason I suggested that Recca find a teacher for advice on technique is that, to be complete and correct, you have to look at the player's body proportions (arm and finger length especially) and bass (scale length, obviously, but I think body and neck size and shape make a bigger difference than is commonly believed) before you can figure out how long the strap needs to be (this is the single most overlooked factor EVER), which way you should tilt the neck (not just up or down, also out or in) and whether a one-finger-per-fret approach is appropriate.

The goal is that to have the thumb and fingers in a natural C shape on both hands, to have the wrists RELAXED (this is more important than straight, because a straight wrist can put unnatural strain on your plucking hand), and to have your elbows close to the body and firm. THEN you have to look at finger pressure, which part of the finger contacts the string, whether the thumb on the plucking hand is anchored in one spot (it shouldn't be) . . .

As I said, this stuff is very hard to explain coherently with words on a page, but most good players could show you in about an hour or so.

Ken, I have no problem with the one-finger-per-fret approach, but I have very long fingers.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Sunday, 11 June 2006 18:40 (nineteen years ago)

xpost thanks for the back-up Andrew!!!!

some people think they can just away with posting any old factual inaccuracy. beeble is the simple sword of truth on a board full of know-nothing numptys.

i for one certainly hope that the next Jake Pastorious or Pina Palladium doesn't get their mojo stolen by the likes of Colin.

beeble (beeble), Sunday, 11 June 2006 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

Jake Pastorious was the guy who replaced Dusty Rhodes in Ozzy's band after Rhodes choked on some airplane pilot's vomit; I replaced Pina Palladium in Talking Heads after I invented emo. You really need to read wikipedia more carefully, dude.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Monday, 12 June 2006 06:19 (nineteen years ago)

colin, how do you determine how long the strap should be?

i've been considering picking up bass again, not that i ever picked it up seriously. but i do have one under the bed that i will be taking out again...

AaronK (AaronK), Monday, 12 June 2006 10:57 (nineteen years ago)

It's complicated, and different for every bass and person, but it needs to be the right length for your picking arm to be slightly (but not overly) bent, so that you'd be picking at your belly button if your bass were suddenly to disappear.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Monday, 12 June 2006 13:19 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...
Here's the way I think about bass playing: Level 1 bass: Play the root of the chord the guitar is playing. Sometimes alternate with the fifth when that gets boring. Begin to walk between chords.

Level 2 bass: Arpeggiate the chord; throw in sevenths and ninths. Begin to come up with different walking strategies for different situations.

Level 3: Don't necessarily limit yourself to notes in the chord the guitar's playing--devise a countermelody.

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Ruud Haarvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 12:52 (nineteen years ago)

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Ruud Haarvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 13:21 (nineteen years ago)

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Ruud Haarvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 14:18 (nineteen years ago)

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Ruud Haarvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 14:31 (nineteen years ago)


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