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We played a concert in Leeds last weekend, the first we've done for quite a while. Although it went pretty well for the most part, setting up is as always a pain in the ass. To play the backings, I have a 4u rack w/a couple of synths and a leslie simulator, as well as a drum machine. I use an old "workstation" type keyboard to play the sequences, and I have to manually load in the sequences between numbers. It's kind of a bit faffy, generally. Plus, it takes up a bit of space, and is heavy.

I thought about picking up an mc500 off ebay to replace the workstation - it's just little, and iirc you can set up a chain, so when one piece finishes, it automatically loads in the next one you need (I might be wrong abt this!) That would be great, undoubtedly.

OTOH, as per thread title, it did occur to me that I could just scrape up for a laptop, and run "reason" I know that reason could replace the instruments in the rack and the drum machine easily. It would save a lot of space. Also, we have some possible interest for live dates in the st8s. w/a laptop, I could just take over one guitar and my amp modeler, run the lot off a laptop, buying a couple of cheap usb/midi dumb keyboards in the states to play the keyboard parts off. That would be great. Also, TBH, a lot of my gear is old digital, and "reason" would probably sound better.

There was another act on the bill on Friday, though - a lappy jockey, running "ableton". His set was good, but the computer crashed or fucked up in some way 1/2 way thru the first number! I asked a friend who was at the gig who also uses a laptop if this was unusual, and he said no, the same thing had happened to him more than once. I spoke to the guy after his concert, and he told me that the little usb keyboard he used had stopped working at some point during his set.

My hardware set up, for all the faff, is very, very reliable.

What are your general experiences relating to this, dear imm-ers?

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:40 (nineteen years ago)

Oh dear lord...

On one hand, sacking my band and replacing them with the shiny silver box was the best decision that I ever made. On the other hand, it's been a different kind of hell.

However, I was dealing with a live bassist, drummer and keyboardist, not a huge setup of equipment.

Laptops are much easier to carry, to set-up, and, so long as you don't overload the sequence beyond your laptop's memory capability, Reason is fairly stable. Laptops, in my experience, don't break down any more or less than, say, vintage guitar amps and weird pedals. However, when they *do* break down, it tends to be more catastrophic, as you can limp through the rest of a gig with borrowed gear or minus one pedal, but if your laptop goes, you're fucked.

Paranoid Spice (kate), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:55 (nineteen years ago)

Don't buy an entire laptop just to run Reason - if you're going to spend the money, get Logic or something. Reason's a decent sequencer and drummachine, but its internal softsynths and effects are utter garbage. You get a "granular" device which isn't very useful, and a VA-type synth which was clearly designed for the OMG TRANCE market and sounds like it.

DougD (DougD), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 13:57 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah but you also get a sampler, which is probably all I use. Also, I have Cubase SL here, obv, I could just put it into the laptop & swap the dongle from the big computer?

As K8 sez, redundancy is a mighty issue here. If one of my keyboards craps out we can still play ok. If I was using a laptop, we'd be dropped down to imnproving w/2 guitars and the modular. Actually, that sounds great, but would probably be really scary!

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 14:05 (nineteen years ago)

VA-type synth which was clearly designed for the OMG TRANCE market and sounds like it.

Anyone who thinks this has clearly never spent much time being creative with Reason.

Paranoid Spice (kate), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 14:29 (nineteen years ago)

I've never done a live set with a laptop but FWIW, I've never had Ableton Live crash and I've never had the OS X system crash so I can't imagine that either would happen during a gig unless it was something weird related to heat or the power source or something.

Are you tweaking stuff live or just playing prerecorded tracks? If the latter, why not just run your background tracks from an ipod or something?

walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 15:04 (nineteen years ago)

the guy had a PC laptop! Er...

What I like about the idea of using "Reason" is that I can call up the entire backing in one go, and all the instruments will come up when I load it in. I doubt there'll be much tweaking going on, BUT playing at different venues & in different spaces in the past w/prerecorded & mixed backings has really not worked for me.

Obviously, I can use the laptop at home as a virtual synth rack, or soft sampler or whatever.

This all of course assumes I can get any more gigs lined up.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

I hope I'm never condemned to spend much time being creative in Reason – I can't stand the sound of it. My advice to Pashmina would be to just download the demo from their website and see if our tastes differ in this regard, since the demo is fully featured except for saving.

If you're primarily going to be using it for a live sequencer, how will you transition between songs? If you're planning to load up each song as you come to it, make sure before you buy it that the loading times aren't too excessive... also, the more samples and shit in your save files, the longer this will take.

DougD (DougD), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

What I like about the idea of using "Reason" is that I can call up the entire backing in one go, and all the instruments will come up when I load it in.

Logic will do the same thing, but will be infinitly more flexible and upgradable... Plus you will also be able to use it to record and sequence tracks in future.

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

I've used my old Pismo (G3 Powerbook c. 2000) to play all my stuff (Reaktor instruments and occasionally the virtual ARP) on our new album, at our live shows and am about to take it on our Europe/UK jaunt at the end of the month. Just thelaptop, an Edirol controller and my 828 mkII for sound (the laptops sound out port died long ago). I recently bought a 2 rack unit soft case that can hold the G# and the 828 so, along with Edirol, it's a fairly compact setup. The thought of dragging a bunch of synths to a gig, much less on tour, frightens me.

As for Reason - we actually pulled off a great sounding remix of one of our album tracks by dirtying the mainly Reason-based sounds through some dirty outboard processing. Otherwise, yeah, it's a great tool for composing and learning but too thin sounding for me. We only used it on said remix because I hadn't brought my computer to the studio that day and we needed to get to work. In a pinch, use what you got, I say.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 01:40 (nineteen years ago)

Also, enough RAM assigned to whatever main software you're running on your laptop and a good idea of what its capacities are should prevent any nasty crashes mid-song.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 01:44 (nineteen years ago)

since the demo is fully featured except for saving

Nonsense. The full version of Reason 3.0 comes with almost 2.0 GB of sounds. Moreover, there are a shitload of free user soundbanks available for download, ranging in quality from "okay" to "fucking excellent".

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

I've always found Reason to be capable of producing some very meaty and thick sounds if you spend a bit of time tweaking some of the presets... The Scream 4 box is your friend.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Thursday, 6 October 2005 10:36 (nineteen years ago)

spend a bit of time tweaking some of the presets

Exactly! Nothing is going to sound perfect straight out of the box - and if it does, well, chances are you're lazy and you're just going to end up using the same presets over and over and everything will sound the same anyway.

Paranoid Spice (kate), Thursday, 6 October 2005 11:04 (nineteen years ago)

OTM Kate.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Thursday, 6 October 2005 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

the solution to redundancy is.. erm.. buy two laptops. BACKUP y'all.

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 6 October 2005 21:57 (nineteen years ago)

when vitalic had his laptop stolen at a gig i was going to try and phone him up the next day offering a business solution

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 6 October 2005 21:58 (nineteen years ago)

i've crashed once in 30 or so gigs... ableton is really stable...

firstworldman (firstworldman), Saturday, 8 October 2005 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

also, shitty songs sound shitty no matter what program you use. not presuming anything about anyone songs... it's just, fuck software, good songs transcend a couple of imperfect sounds.

firstworldman (firstworldman), Saturday, 8 October 2005 21:41 (nineteen years ago)

anyone's, rather

firstworldman (firstworldman), Saturday, 8 October 2005 21:42 (nineteen years ago)

that said, apart from having my favorite environment to program drums (admittedly, using sounds created in other or programs or sampled from other sources), you will grow out of reason quickly, or at least, eventually. can't recommend it highly enough as a program to learn in though.

firstworldman (firstworldman), Saturday, 8 October 2005 21:43 (nineteen years ago)


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