Maybe this question belongs in a new board called I (re)Make Music. Anyway, anybody have any experience with audio restoration software? Trying to sort out a few different options/techniques and weigh doing some of it on my own vs. having it done by a pro. I have a bunch of projects coming up and they require different solutions.
As far as the software, have you used any? Pro stuff includes plug-ins like Waves Restoration, WaveArts Master Restoration, Soundsoap Pro, Sony Oxford, and at the high end stuff like Cedar and Sonic Solutions. I'm on a Mac and don't have pro-tools, so my options seem limited to Waves and WaveArts (haven't heard as much good things about Soudsoap Pro). Waves is very expensive, while WaveArts is so new there isn't much written about it online yet.
For the most part it seems like people who don't have Cedar maybe just use a variety of tools depending on what works best...De-Clicker from this brand, de-noise from this company etc.
As far as having it done, some mastering engineers are just using the same tools I assume, while some have access to the more expensive set-ups, like Cedar.
Anybody do any of this kind of work or have it done?
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 21:30 (seventeen years ago)
I'm in the midst of doing the same thing, and I'm in the same boat as you. Even worse, I'm on a mac and the other guy involved is on a PC, so I've been trying to find something cross-platform (or at least something that pretends to be), but most of the stuff I find is PC only. Jerks.
― John Justen, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 17:55 (seventeen years ago)
Also, my worry about handing it off to someone else to have it done is that I'm of the mind that less is better when it comes to archival recordings, and I'm afraid that someone less intimately involved/more accustomed to modern production is going to go overboard.
― John Justen, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 17:57 (seventeen years ago)
The DiamondCut/DCart programs came specifically out of a need to restore old archived recordings. I used it for a few years and it had and has a few things going for it that the standard restoration suites don't seem to put much priority in. Unfortunately for you, these programs are for the PC.
― Gorge, Thursday, 14 June 2007 01:31 (seventeen years ago)
I use Waves X-Noise. Which works great. Friends say that the new Sony Oxford trumped it, but that Waves' new Z-Noise re-trumps all, and I'm angling . Some people in studios use Cedar or Sonic Solutions if they've got access, but at home they often just use the plugs, it's expedient.
X-Noise is great though -- the declicking is beautiful, and the de-hissing / de-noising is astounding. you learn very quickly not to overdo it, because it's very easy to almost completely remove _all_ of the tape hiss or noise floor from a recording, with no audible loss to the signal of the music, and it sounds fantastic when auditioning 30 seconds at a time. but then, playing back a full album that's been de-noised you realize you've sucked the life out of it, if it was recorded with hiss it could usually stand some hiss, it acts as a bonding agent for the sounds. but it will let you tame out-of-control cassette noise or board hums or high end whines out of archival things and render them suitable for release, it's kind of amazing. Plus they're fun, whatever you can find cheaper, Z-Noise or the Oxfords, I'd go for (and they're both cross-platform I believe, though sometimes they charge seperately)
― Milton Parker, Thursday, 14 June 2007 01:32 (seventeen years ago)
mod edit on third sentence: I'm angling to get copies of Z-Noise
as noted several times on ILM, overzealous de-noising is another one of the crimes of some recent remastering jobs. they remove too much of the hiss on records where the hiss is an integral part of the sound, the Faust IV remaster sounds a little dull, for instance
― Milton Parker, Thursday, 14 June 2007 01:34 (seventeen years ago)
Yeah, that's exactly the sort of thing that worries me.
― John Justen, Thursday, 14 June 2007 01:45 (seventeen years ago)
Yeah, see this is where the inability for mods to edit posts gets a little irritating. Sry MP.
― Yr. semifrustrated mod jj., Thursday, 14 June 2007 01:49 (seventeen years ago)
I don't mind a bit of hiss or a bit of noise...it's the crackle that screams VINYL TRANSFER that kills me. I'll definitely use the disclaimer where needed "source tape wasn't available transfer from vinyl etc etc".
The Waves stuff is very expensive compared to Wave Arts but there are cracks of it to give it more of a try...I had the demo but it ran out already. I think this may only be an occasional issue as for a few upcoming projects it looks like I'll be able to work from unplayed vinyl, which may need one or 2 pops removed by hand but I can't imagine needing to do much else. I just have one project right now with 2 or 3 songs transferred from noisy vinyl belonging to the artist, though my copies were as bad or worse. Maybe it was the pressing to begin with.
― dan selzer, Thursday, 14 June 2007 13:00 (seventeen years ago)
i think the waves stuff is pretty shite but usable at a pinch. scoff if you will but light use of the noise redux in cool edit pro has worked the best out of all the noise reduction software i have used (which is basically everything other than cedar)
― electricsound, Thursday, 14 June 2007 13:17 (seventeen years ago)
Any suggestions re:tape hiss vs. vinyl pop (that being my operative problem?)
― John Justen, Thursday, 14 June 2007 14:04 (seventeen years ago)
tape hiss requires different tools then vinyl pop. Most of these suites/plug-ins have some sort of broadband noise reduction software, which usually involves selecting a moment of "silence" where it can hear the noise before the music starts, it "learns" the noise, then looks for it in the music, basically. What it does is find the similar noise fingerprint and use all these filters to just bring down the specific frequency selected, and only do it when there isn't enough music to cover it up. If used subtely, it can be pretty effective. Waves Z-Noise is supposed to be good at this, WaveArts Master Noise, Digidesign DINR etc do this. I also read in the Wave Arts manual that it makes sense to set it really subtle and run it a few times making different passes. Haven't really tried that yet.
The click and pop parts of the plug-ins basically look for moments where things suddenly get louder, then sample the moment before and after and replace the pop, or apply a quick filter just to that moment. There's a really good shareware tool for de-clicking but I can't remember the name, will supply link tonight.
― dan selzer, Thursday, 14 June 2007 14:15 (seventeen years ago)
if all you're doing is declicking, I think shareware will do the trick, it's the denoising algorhythms they usually charge you for
I wouldn't scoff at almost any aspect of cool edit pro, it's one of the most solid and usable programs in the history of anything
― Milton Parker, Thursday, 14 June 2007 23:37 (seventeen years ago)
faust iv is one of my favorite albums ever, and is SO due for an actual remaster, as opposed to being merely mastered for cd.
― horrid bluegrass clicktrack, Friday, 15 June 2007 03:38 (seventeen years ago)
Cool Edit Pro is the one that Adobe bought and is still PC only right? Once Adobe moves it to mac maybe I'll be able to master it quick, it'll use the same key commands as Photoshop, right?
― dan selzer, Friday, 15 June 2007 15:08 (seventeen years ago)
No doubt, ̛̛̱̱̊̊̊̊̊̊̊apple-c and apple-v will retain their "Adobe" meanings.
― libcrypt, Saturday, 16 June 2007 02:09 (seventeen years ago)
I just want the space bar to do something similar, to grab and move what's being viewed and to zoom in and out.
― dan selzer, Saturday, 16 June 2007 16:05 (seventeen years ago)
just fyi, I downloaded the demo of Izotope's new restoration suite and while it was wonky as a plugin, as a standalone doing not-live processing, it's results sounded way better to me then the Wave Arts or Waves plug-ins I tested. It's getting great reviews.
― dan selzer, Friday, 30 May 2008 04:07 (sixteen years ago)
i was rly unimpressed with rx, but i think my expectations were very high based on their (IMO almost certainly dodgied-up) demos
― electricsound, Friday, 30 May 2008 04:09 (sixteen years ago)
i should probably try it again, but i think i'll probably just go with audition 3 instead (because i am hella interested in trying out this audio lasso stuff)
― electricsound, Friday, 30 May 2008 04:10 (sixteen years ago)
are you doing redux of tape hiss or vinyl noise?
― electricsound, Friday, 30 May 2008 04:13 (sixteen years ago)