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Yes, it's time to compile the ILF canon!

Actually now I feel presumptuous starting such a thread, since my spider sense is tingling that it probably exists on ILE someplace. But what I have in mind, are lists of top films, directors, actors and actresses.

So far as directors, Michael Mann, Kurosawa, Dreyer and Lynch seem to be some of the most bandied names. (Obviously I'm forgetting others...)

Leee (Leee), Friday, 30 May 2003 04:12 (twenty-two years ago)

directors i like: godard, hitchcock, bresson, tarkovsky, fellini (sometimes), sturges, dreyer, kurosawa, spielberg, kubrick, bergman, antonioni, hawks, lots more of course.

actors/actresses: cary grant, james stewart, mifune, grace kelly, anna karina, mastroianni

films: vertigo, 2001, 8 1/2, AI, The Thin Red Line, L'avventura, seven samurai, the searchers, ordet, stalker, the lady eve

yeah i know my taste is boring, but i cant help it!

ryan (ryan), Friday, 30 May 2003 05:35 (twenty-two years ago)

add contempt to that film list

ryan (ryan), Friday, 30 May 2003 05:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Gladly.

Sommermute (Wintermute), Friday, 30 May 2003 06:06 (twenty-two years ago)

(Sorry.)

Is this about people who get mentioned a lot on ILF, or about people who should get mentioned a lot in ILF?

Sommermute (Wintermute), Friday, 30 May 2003 06:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Corman, Tati, (early) De Palma, Cronenberg, Patrice Leconte

Jan Geerinck (jahsonic), Friday, 30 May 2003 07:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Directors: Jim Jarmusch, Shinji Aoyama, Hayao Miyazaki, Alfred Hitchcock, David Lynch, Kenji Mizoguchi, Roman Polanski, Akira Kurosawa, Lukas Moodysson, Federico Fellini, Pedro Almodovar, Masahito Harada, Terry Gilliam, Woody Allen, Kim Ki-duk.

Actors: James Stewart, Katharine Hepburn, Toshiro Mifune, Michel Piccoli, Catherine Deneuve, Koji Yakusho, Isabelle Huppert, Charlie Chaplin, Philip Hoffman, Kinuyo Tanaka, Alain Delon, Samantha Morton.

Films: Farewell My Concubine, Pi, La Strada, My Neighbor Totoro, Rashomon, Somg from the Second Floor, Vertigo, Stalker, Dr. Strangelove, Human Resources, Street of Shame, Tie Me Up! Tie Me Down!, Before Sunrise, The Philadelphia Story.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 30 May 2003 09:55 (twenty-two years ago)

you can't beat threads which get people posting in disembodied lists of names.

DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 30 May 2003 14:06 (twenty-two years ago)

My canon. My way.

Actors: Arnold Schwarzenegger (at least from Raw Deal through Total Recall), Dennis Quaid, Kurt Russell, John Lithgow, Ben Stiller, James Woods, Eugene Levy, Richard Burton, Philip Seymour Hoffman, Peter O'Toole.

Actresses: Susan Sarandon, Nancy Allen, Maria Conchita Alonso, Jennifer Jason Leigh, Parker Posey, Bette Davis, Janeane Garofalo, Sissy Spacek.

Directors: Brian DePalma, John Huston, Robert Altman, Paul Thomas Anderson, Zucker-Abrahams-Zucker, Orson Welles, Bob Fosse, Mike Leigh.

Movies: Moscow On The Hudson, The Seven Samurai, Used Cars, Married To The Mob, The Godfather I & II, lots by the artists already mentioned.

I'm probably missing a bunch, but these folks need PROPS.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 31 May 2003 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

directors- godard, truffaut, kurosawa, wes anderson, coens, lynch, jarmusch, p.t. anderson, david gordon green

movies- contempt, band of outsiders, 400 blows, ran, yojimbo, seven samurai, rushmore, blue velvet, down by law, pulp fiction, barton fink, dr. strangelove, godfather

actors- mifune, phillip seymour hoffman, deniro, pacino (minus that lame recruit movie), brando

actresses- bardot, julianne moore, karina, emily watson, maybe naomi watts, hepburns

todd swiss (eliti), Saturday, 31 May 2003 19:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't believe I forgot John Boorman! CHRIST!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 31 May 2003 19:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm just stealing a "Favorite Directors / Films" thread I did on a different forum (dirty.org of all places) since it pretty well applies here.

1. Carl Theodor Dreyer -- Gertrud, Ordet, The Passion of Joan of Arc, Day of Wrath, Vampyr, Master of the House
2. Brian De Palma -- Carrie, The Fury, Dressed to Kill, Femme Fatale, Hi Mom, Phantom of the Paradise, Blow Out
3. Chris Marker -- A Grin Without a Cat, La Jetee, Sans soleil
4. Abbas Kiarostami -- Taste of Cherry, Ten, The Wind Will Carry Us, Close-Up
5. Douglas Sirk -- All That Heaven Allows, Imitation of Life, Written on the Wind
6. Stanley Kubrick -- Eyes Wide Shut, Barry Lyndon, The Shining
7. Josef Von Sternberg -- The Scarlet Empress, Shanghai Express, Morocco, The Blue Angel
8. Michelangelo Antonioni -- L'Avventura, Blowup... I need to see more of this dude
9. Dario Argento -- Phenomena, Suspiria, Deep Red, Tenebrae
10. Chuck Jones -- far too many to list
11. Robert Altman -- 3 Women, Nashville, McCabe & Mrs. Miller, Images
12. Luis Bunuel -- Un chien andalou, Belle de jour, Simon of the Desert, Viridiana
13. Leo McCarey -- Make Way for Tomorrow, An Affair to Remember
14. F.W. Murnau -- Sunrise, Nosferatu
15. Tobe Hooper -- The Texas Chain Saw Massacre, Poltergeist, The Funhouse
16. Roberto Rossellini -- Germany Year Zero, Paisan, Open City, Stromboli... and I haven't seen it yet, but I've yet to read a negative word against Voyage to Italy
17. George A. Romero -- Creepshow, Night of the Living Dead, Dawn of the Dead
18. Sergei Eisenstein -- well, Ivan the Terrible above all, but I like Potemkin and Alexander Nevsky just fine
19. Mario Bava -- Black Sabbath, Kill Baby Kill, Black Sunday
20. John Carpenter -- The Fog, Assault on Precinct 13, The Thing

... and I still didn't make room for Welles, Polanski, Ford, Hitchcock, Godard, and Resnais, among many others. Obviously, horror is my genre of choice (or, I suppose, "world cinema"). There are a few directors who I have only seen one film by and could only assume I would love based on that one phenomenal film, including Akerman (Jeanne Dielman), Tati (Playtime), Brakhage (The Act of Seeing With One's Own Eyes), Tarkovsky (Stalker), and Renoir (The Rules of the Game).

Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 31 May 2003 21:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Aight my original listings were what I anticipated would be ILX's picks, so here are my own:

Directors:
Kieslowski (can't believe he's unmentioned, you jerks)
Michael Mann
Dreyer
Lynch

Films:
Trois: Couleurs: Rouge
Decalogue
Ghost in The Shell
Passion of Joan of Arc
HEat

Actresses:
Irene Jacob
Cate Blanchett

Actors:
Pacino

Leee (Leee), Sunday, 1 June 2003 18:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Richard Linklater - Slacker

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Sunday, 8 June 2003 01:26 (twenty-two years ago)

The canon of directors thus far (directors with three or more mentions): De Palma, Dreyer, Godard, Hitchcock, Kurosawa, Lynch. It's too early to say anything about actors or films.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 07:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I could've sworn that ILx loved Mann.

Leee (Leee), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 17:46 (twenty-two years ago)

probably, but not the ones that love film.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 23:57 (twenty-two years ago)

say what?

s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 12 June 2003 00:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey, I've been ostrasized from too many conversations for asserting that Manhunter beats the tar out of Silence of the Lambs to be told I don't like Mann (Michael, that is... that's who you were talking about, right?). Then again, I can't say I had much affection for either Heat or The Insider.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 12 June 2003 04:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I just saw The Insider. It's in no way exceptional, but it still is serious Hollywood drama at it's best.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 12 June 2003 09:20 (twenty-two years ago)

what about anthony mann?

amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 12 June 2003 12:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Directors: Werner Herzog, Nicolas Roeg, Ingmar Bergman, Fritz Lang, F.W. Murnau, Stanley Kubrick, Luis Buñuel, Krzysztof Kieslowski

Actors/Actresses: Klaus Kinski, Peter Lorre, Robert Mitchum, Gregory Peck, Al Pacinio

Films: Aguirre: Wrath of God, Fitzcarraldo, The Colors Trilogy, 8 1/2, M, Night of the Hunter, Freaks, The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie, The Seventh Seal, Gods and Monsters, The Tin Drum, Taxi Driver, The Last Laugh, God of Cookery, Yi Yi, The Believer

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Thursday, 12 June 2003 12:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Tuomas, I think The Insider is pretty exceptional. (too groggy to explain why)

s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 12 June 2003 15:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I haven't seen the Insider, I'll admit. But everything I have seen...pfff, whatevah.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 13 June 2003 01:12 (twenty-two years ago)

huh? wha? you're judging it w/o having seen it?

i think it is v. good although it doesn't have the narrative density of "heat" (what does?) and feels a little more schematic. and i don't really like latterday al pacino, he sort of sucks everything into a pacino vortex. crowe is good though. in retrospect his bleating and fretting here seems like a dry run for the epic bleating and fretting of "a beautiful mind."

that scene in the hotel room where the wallpaper becomes his memories is one of the grebtest expressionist moments in the contemporary cinema. the ending is a bit weak and tv-special though.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 13 June 2003 04:56 (twenty-two years ago)

also politically speaking this is a good populist piece of work, it pulls very few punches. compare to something like "erin brockovich" (also a pretty good film, if toothless) and you can see what i mean.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 13 June 2003 04:57 (twenty-two years ago)

also, forgetting mann for the moment:

if i can't dance i don't want to be a part of your canon.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 13 June 2003 04:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Yo amateurist, you don't like hoo-hah era Pacino? to me he's really one of the great pleasures of the cinema--there are very few recent performances (save scent of a woman of course) that I don't enjoy on some level.

that hotel room scene that you mentioned is to me one of the insider's weaker moments, largely I think because of the song on the soundtrack (I don't remember what it was), it completely ruined that scene for me. mann goes overboard all the time & this is why I love him, the high high drama & emotion which he somehow transforms into the visual & aural elements of his movies--but that scene just doesn't work for me.

my favourite part is the scene outside the courthouse where wigand makes up his mind to testify--the sky is really blue--it's really brief but just spectacular.

s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 13 June 2003 05:20 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, that mann resisted the urge to twirl the camera around crowe like in some bad showtime tv drama = he is genius.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 13 June 2003 05:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I think because of the song on the soundtrack (I don't remember what it was), it completely ruined that scene for me.

Aww, no Lisa Gerrard hate man! btw that song is "Meltdown" and is bregt.

Leee (Leee), Friday, 13 June 2003 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe on its own it's okay, but in that scene it's just way too much for me.

s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 13 June 2003 18:51 (twenty-two years ago)

i don't remember the music at all. i don't know what that says. the music in his movies often seems functional and just that, though i have problems with the pounding tangerine dream on the sdtk of the otherwise great "thief"--it just never seems to let up. and unlike most i think the climax of "manhunter" is heavy handed w/o the iron butterfly. with the i.b. it's just too too much.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 13 June 2003 21:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I really like that Mann takes risks with these things (at least I'd perceive them as risks, maybe he doesn't at all)--using really bombastic or emotional music, which can sometimes come off perfectly and sometimes just makes me cringe.

But that is an essential part of his high-'80s aesthetic so I can't really complain too much about it. Just take the good stuff with the not-so-good.

s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 13 June 2003 22:29 (twenty-two years ago)

fwiw I think that the end of "Mannhunter" was pure prog rock in a bad way.

Leee (Leee), Sunday, 15 June 2003 04:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Also I think Pacino was low-keying it in Insider.

Leee (Leee), Monday, 16 June 2003 05:16 (twenty-two years ago)

seven months pass...
Most of my choices will probably be upthread anyway, but just to emphasize a few:

Directors: Hawks, Sturges, Mamoulian, Val Lewton (producer admittedly), *Powell and Pressburger*, Renoir, Bresson, Bergman, Bunuel, Welles...

Actors: Kate Hepburn, Cary Grant, Laurel and Hardy, James Cagney, Peter Sellers, James Mason, Carole Lombard (surely there are few as gorgeous and dexterous), Roger Livesey (the best vocal tones, surely, along with that old fox Mason), Charles Laughton, Robert Newton (love his acting; will I ever forget being terrified of his Bill Sykes as a child, or stop being heartily entertained by him in "Odd Man Out" or hamming it up as old LJS...? Even delivering a subtle, grounding performance in "Jamaica Inn", complementing the marvellous presence of Laughton admirably), W.C. Fields... even, to be honest: Gibson Gowland, for just that one startling performance in "Greed" (not seen any of his other performances), and ZaSu Pitts, in the same: a stylized performance taken to strangely convincing extremes.

Films: "Greed", "Sunrise", "Kind Hearts & Coronets", "Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde" (1931 version), "The Red Shoes", "Les Vacances de M. Hulot" (sublime Tati film).

Tom May (Tom May), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 03:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Directors
Lang, Renoir, Hitchcock, P&P, Ophuls, Lubitsch, Hawks, Ray, Godard, Bertolucci, Fassbinder... Fincher, PTA, Haneke.

Actors (well, stars)
Tim Roth, Dominique Sanda, Mathieu Amalric, Marlene Dietrich, Richard Burton, Carole Lombard, Philip Seymour Hoffman, Rosalind Russell, Cary Grant

Films
'Trouble in Paradise', 'Made in Britain', 'Pierrot le Fou', 'Rules of the Game', 'His Girl Friday'

Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Philip Seymour Hoffman -- do I get to veto?

Eric H. (Eric H.), Sunday, 8 February 2004 02:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, go ahead. 'Boogie Nights' and 'Big Lebowski' = classic.

Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 9 February 2004 10:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Top 100 Directors of my Canon:

Robert Aldrich
Woody Allen
Pedro Almodovar
Michelangelo Antonioni
Hal Ashby
Ingmar Bergman
Bernardo Bertolucci
Stan Brakhage
Albert Brooks
Luis Bunuel

Jane Campion
John Carpenter
Henri-Georges Clouzot
Jean Cocteau
The Coen Brothers
Costa-Gavras
David Cronenberg
Joe Dante
Terence Davies
Atom Egoyan

Rainer Werner Fassbinder
Federico Fellini
Milos Forman
Stephen Frears
Samuel Fuller
Terry Gilliam
Peter Greenaway
Michael Haneke
Todd Haynes
Alfred Hitchcock

John Huston
Hiroshi Inagaki
Derek Jarman
Jim Jarmusch
Jean-Pierre Jeunet (and Marc Caro)
Philip Kaufman
Buster Keaton
Krzysztof Kieslowski
Stanley Kubrick
Akira Kurosawa

John Landis
Fritz Lang
David Lean
Spike Lee
Mike Leigh
Sergio Leone
Sidney Lumet
David Lynch
Terrence Malick
Joseph L. Mankiewicz

Michael Mann
The Maysles Brothers
Ross McElwee
Peter Medak
Hayao Miyazaki
Errol Morris
F.W. Murnau
Mike Nichols
Laurence Olivier
Ermanno Olmi

Max Ophuls
Alan J. Pakula
Sergei Parajanov
Pier Paolo Pasolini
Sam Peckinpah
Arthur Penn
Roman Polanski
Sally Potter
Michael Powell (and Emeric Pressburger)
Alex Proyas

The Brothers Quay
Lynne Ramsay
Nicholas Ray
Satyajit Ray
Alain Resnais
Tony Richardson
Nicolas Roeg
Robert Rossen
Franklin J. Schaffner
John Schlesinger

Douglas Sirk
Vilgot Sjoman
Todd Solondz
Whit Stillman
Oliver Stone
Preston Sturges
Seijun Suzuki
Jan Svankmajer
Jacques Tati
Francois Truffaut

Roger Vadim
Agnes Varda
Paul Verhoeven
Jean Vigo
Josef von Sternberg
Lars von Trier
John Waters
Orson Welles
Wim Wenders
Billy Wilder

Girolamo Savonarola, Monday, 9 February 2004 14:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Bit big for a canon innit?

veto David Lean anyhoo!

Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 9 February 2004 15:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll suck the d before I veto Lean.

Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Jeunet & Schaffner better than Dreyer & De Palma = pfffft!

Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 01:05 (twenty-two years ago)

They're in alphabetical order.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)

John Landis and Whit Stillman, yet know room for J.L. Godard???

What the F!

jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Simple - I'm not a Godard fan.

Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 10 February 2004 17:47 (twenty-two years ago)

glad to see John Landis getting some love.

PVC (peeveecee), Thursday, 12 February 2004 22:13 (twenty-two years ago)


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