Music/Film collaborations

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A nice tie-in for the ILM folx. I'm thinking less about soundtrack music and more about films/short films created to complement existing music (recent efforts like the Super Furry Animals DVD and the last Sparklehorse album) and also filmmakers who deal specifically in music as a subject matter (Jem Cohen, Wiz, etc). Is marrying pre-existing music to visuals in this way, or vice-versa, reductive?

I'd also like to hear froma nyone who has been to any of the recent events in London or elsewhere where bands (Ladytron, Acid Mothers Temple, Wire, Jimi Tenor) have played in front of films. Were these successful?

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 09:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Also - Has anyone here been in a collaboration like this themselves? Either filmmaker folx or ILM muso types?

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 09:46 (twenty-three years ago)

A bunch of stuff we've done has involved local musicians accompanying or scoring--often live, as the case with some silent stuff. Somewhat more complicated stuff is in the development stage now.

slutsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 14:40 (twenty-three years ago)

One of Hal Hartley's best shorts, The New Math(s) (which should be coming out on a DVD from Hartley's company some time in the next decade), is scored to a commissioned piece by minimalist composer Louis Andriessen. It has calculas, and chop-socky, and humming industrial equipment.

This is a big question. I'm both drawn to and repelled by the constant use of non-sourced pop music on contemporary Hollywood soundtracks. It can be used boldly and interestingly, although the pop-music-as-ironic-commentary has become pretty old by this point (as old as Kenneth Anger), and even Scorsese (who really popularized the trope) makes hash of it in Bringing Out the Dead. The filmmakers who use pop music best are typically the ones who use it sparingly--the aforementioned Hartley (Sonic Youth in Simple Men, say) or Todd Haynes or Claire Denis. That doesn't explain Spike Lee though.

I'm interested in the question of whether audiences could accept a musical that wasn't a selfconscious anachronism (a la Chicago)--or if such a thing is even possible. Weren't film musicals always a little something of an anachronism?

amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 14:51 (twenty-three years ago)

I've only seen two Hartley films, yet I was definitely struck by his use of a Gastr del Sol piece in The Book of Life. It made me realize that there's so much interesting music that would be appropriate for film that fits neither into the pop-song-soundtrack or the traditional-orchestral-score model. This doesn't quite get at Nordicskillz's question, though.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 17:55 (twenty-three years ago)

Hartley on the music in The Book of Life (thanks for reminding me of this one):

Regarding the music: Again, I let myself be led by the actual materials I was working with. I have a painter friend, Ellen, who describes sitting and observing a canvas and the paints for days, getting to understand them, before deciding what to paint. I like that. PJ, Ben Watt, Georgia and Ira (Yo La Tengo), David Byrne... they had all contributed these pieces of music and, to the extent that I could, I let the music effect the writing. Of course, it effected my directing more.

The effect of this: a series of pop songs weaved together to become something like a real "score." And yet, everyone seemed to hate The Book of Life. I understand Hartley-hate, because I was once in that camp, but it seems rather silly now, speaking from the other side. His films, even those that are less successful, are so generous to the audience.

I'm not sure exactly what Nordicskillz is asking for. As for bands playing in front of films, I take it he means silent films. I have mixed feelings about this. On Saturday I saw He Who Gets Slapped and the accompaniment was by an ensemble of Northwestern undergraduates led by a professor. It was heavy on electronic soundscapes and effects. It was a genuine, sincere effort (not like some of noodling, indifferent "scores" I've seen performed by sundry post-rock bands around town) but still, I'm not sure it did the film any favors. Though not as bad as the times I've seen the Alloy Orchestra perform to Metropolis or Harold Lloyd films.

amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 18:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Everyone always seems to want to play along to Metropolis and Nosferatu.

What actually kind of annoys me is scores to movies that aren't silent, like Philip Glass's Dracula.

slutsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 18:49 (twenty-three years ago)

The next ICA one is a rescoring of Blade Runner which seems like a dumb idea. If there was one thing that worked in Blade Runner (and there is about one thing that works) its the score.

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 11:59 (twenty-three years ago)

i would like to have seen that Ladytron soundtrack to Tron thing - did anyone here go?

stevem (blueski), Saturday, 10 May 2003 14:35 (twenty-two years ago)


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