Movie pet peeves

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We all have them. Those little things that piss us off for no apparent reason. Mine include:

1) "Babysitter" music: Music that tells us how to feel. Like a babysitter, it protects us, because audiences, of course, are too stupid to make up their own minds. You can find this sort of thing in about 90% of all films, so to actually enjoy anything, I have to compromise quite often. But, man, does this sort of thing get on my nerves.

2) Shots of doors closing in my face: It may seem stupid, but this really bugs me. I have vowed to never shoot a door being shut in any of my films, cause it feels like the audience is being shut out. I know it's nothing major, but I don't like doors being slammed in my face in real life, or in the movies.

3) Teachers that talk like they're in the movies: OK, if I see another film with a teacher who stops in the middle of a lesson to ask, "Mr/Ms. So-and-so, do you have something you'd like to share with the class," I'm going to blow my fuckin brains out. This is so cliche, it feels like self-mockery.

I'm sure there are plenty more, they're just not coming to me at the moment.

Anthony (Anthony F), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 01:43 (twenty-one years ago)

does 2 include the final shot of the searchers!?!?! (maybe different because wayne is being closed out and we in the audience are being closed in)

ryan (ryan), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 03:10 (twenty-one years ago)

#1 is definetly a big problem for me too--i am quite easily sucked into dramatic moments but if the music is too intrusive then i get turned off. (even very good films have this problem)

i hate when action scenes NEVER ONCE cut to a master shot. nothing but disembodied close-ups.

too much talking is a problem too--esp voiceover (i hated hated hated Wings of Desire because of all the talking)

ryan (ryan), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 03:21 (twenty-one years ago)

2) Shots of doors closing in my face: It may seem stupid, but this really bugs me. I have vowed to never shoot a door being shut in any of my films, cause it feels like the audience is being shut out. I know it's nothing major, but I don't like doors being slammed in my face in real life, or in the movies.

B...b...b...but...GODFATHER I'S ENDING, FERCRISSAKES!!!

, Tuesday, 16 December 2003 05:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, in that case, it was appropriate. There are always exceptions, of course.

Anthony (Anthony F), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 12:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Godfather I's great ending may have unfortunately been a good part of the impetus for all of the generic door-closes that have come since. Every positive has it's negative, i guess.

Number one has always been a huge problem for me as well (not Godfather I, but pet peeve one, the "babysitter music". It's the main reason I can't watch Hollywood films without laughing or getting nauseous. It's just manipulative as hell, and is such a cop out. There are plenty of directors (bergman, ozu, kiarostami, cassavettes come to mind immediately) who have been able to bring forth incredibly moving scenes without relying on music. it's also an insult to a good actor, because it's pretty much saying "your performance isn't powerful enough on its own to hold the scene & affect an audience."

i've never been able to go as far as brakhage in dismissing sound altogether (or even music altogether---diagetic music, coming from a radio for instance, can be used to good effect), but it shouldn't be used as a manipulative tool--god knows Hollywood has enough of those already.

jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 13:55 (twenty-one years ago)

the '555' thing for phone numbers has always distracted me, i wish there were some way directors could get around that.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 16:54 (twenty-one years ago)

1. What Siskel and Ebert used to refer to as "fruit cart"--that inevitable moment during a car chase when the lead car crashes into a taco truck/produce stand/stuffed animal display, sending a shower of random items flying with its forward-progress mayhem.

2. The one-of-everything team, in which a group of plucky scientists, let's say, incorporates an unrealistically perfect variety and balance of ages, races, and types.

3. People who just had life-changing sex--or almost any kind of sex, really, except maybe long-married sex--getting out of bed wearing their underwear.

That's just for starters.

Lee G (Lee G), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 18:59 (twenty-one years ago)

i wish there were some way directors could get around that

Just use numbers w/o area codes, maybe?

L-shaped bedsheets. You know, how the woman's always comes up to her chest and the guy's goes down to his waist? And of course they've been married for 20 years. So obviously she'd still be modest about these things...

, Tuesday, 16 December 2003 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

The assembley of a sniper rifle.

Slow motion, all of it.

The slow motion assembley of a sniper rifle.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 14:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Low angles that reveal any kind of rock show / disco lighting rig above -- see Batman and Robin, Batman forever, Bruiser, and several films directed by Albert Pyun.

Bad hats -- see Kafka , 3000 Miles To Graceland, anything by Alan Rudolph.

Women dressed as men *with* fake facial hair -- see Charlies Angels, Hook, Hedwig.

Spark explosions -- the most unspectacular "spectaluar" effect ever.

Burlap in sci-fi -- see The Matrix trilogy, Waterworld, The Postman, Soldier etc.

Most American Indie movie "scores".

Neon used to "jazz up" an interior set -- see Soldier, many, many 80's movies.

Mobiles in the future -- see CD mobile in Soldier, 5th Element

Shafts of light in any Spielberg movie post Raiders.

Wavy permed hair. It doesn't look good in real life and it sure as shit doesn't in the movies.

Gratuitous hand held camera.

Shot of a guy getting punched repeated for "effect" -- see all early VanDamme.

Ending with a crane shot of a disaster area.

and....

Julie Andrews.

PVC (peeveecee), Friday, 19 December 2003 14:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Spark explosions are ridiculous!

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 19 December 2003 16:04 (twenty-one years ago)

females tripping

Dean Gulberry (deangulberry), Friday, 19 December 2003 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

CG tunnels!! also ditto the gratuitous shaky-cam

jones (actual), Friday, 19 December 2003 19:07 (twenty-one years ago)

1. "Look at me I'm acting!" acting

2. A long shot from behind the actor's so that we get a sense of the weighty gravity that is the actor's burden.

3. Multisyllabic dialogue.

4. Dialogue that explains the themes of the film.

Leee Marvin (Leee), Friday, 19 December 2003 22:12 (twenty-one years ago)

people outrunning fireballs from gigantic explosions. this makes me irrationally furious!

lauren (laurenp), Friday, 19 December 2003 22:49 (twenty-one years ago)

fainting as a punchline.

PVC (peeveecee), Saturday, 20 December 2003 01:17 (twenty-one years ago)

farting as a punchline.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 20 December 2003 02:27 (twenty-one years ago)

the end-of-movie VOICEOVER OUT OF NOWHERE

jones (actual), Saturday, 20 December 2003 08:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Women dressed as men *with* fake facial hair -- see Charlies Angels, Hook, Hedwig

this doesn't happen nearly enough!

4. Dialogue that explains the themes of the film

argh yes this is like your mum telling you to clean your room when you were already going to do it!

but um, a lot of these things are cliched as cliches.... fruit cart? l shaped sheets? nobody does this anymore! unless they are mocking it (see:waynes world 2 plate glass/watermelons/chicken thing, and that was 10 yrs ago)

minna (minna), Saturday, 20 December 2003 12:14 (twenty-one years ago)

So are you telling me that these things are outdated, or parodied?

Leee Marvin (Leee), Sunday, 21 December 2003 19:55 (twenty-one years ago)

minna, just out of curiosity, what were the last five to ten films you've seen in the theater?

, Sunday, 21 December 2003 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Main character acting stupid when told something technical and asking the expert to explain it again in more detail so that he/she/we the idiots in the audience who couldn't possibly understand the plot without every detail being explained encyclopedically can understand.

oscillatingocelot, Thursday, 25 December 2003 04:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I. People running through machine gun fire without being killed.

2. People secretly peering at the enemy. Why can't the enemy see them?

3. People chasing after vehicles on foot. Does that happen in real life? If so, does anyone ever catch the vehicle?

Roderick the Visigoth. (Jake Proudlock), Friday, 26 December 2003 17:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I do. I have a high level of success.

TEH ONE AN ONLEY DEANN GULBAREY (deangulberry), Saturday, 27 December 2003 00:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Totally unrealistic computer software and displays. Like...what OS do they use in 24 anyway?

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 4 January 2004 18:21 (twenty-one years ago)

*coughHackerscough*

dean gulberry (deangulberry), Sunday, 4 January 2004 22:51 (twenty-one years ago)

One thing that is beyond a pet peeve, but almost a dead giveaway that the film sucks is a dog (or any animal) reaction shot.

GOD that makes me want to go beserk.

It always seems to be used in a scene where two people are arguing. Suddenly, a cut to the dog's puzzled face. AARRGGHH.

Two (awful) films I can think of that use it are Coming to America and As Good as it Gets.

Simple pet peeve -- People carrying suitcases that are always empty. Annoying.

BabyBuddha, Wednesday, 7 January 2004 22:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I love dog reaction shots. Even Jean-Pierre Melville had one in Bob Le Flambeur.

I've seen Coming To America like a dozen times and I don't remember there being a dog reaction shot in it... guess I'll have to watch it again.

PVC (peeveecee), Thursday, 8 January 2004 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

there's probably some funny reaction shots of the leopard in "bringing up baby," though i don't remember any specifically.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 9 January 2004 00:53 (twenty-one years ago)

acually im pretty sure there isn't. one of the funny things about the movie is esp how "george" the dog is so dog-like (does that make sense?)

ryan (ryan), Friday, 9 January 2004 20:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I fell asleep halfway through To Live And Die In LA last night, but there were a couple of classic bits of unrealism:

a) A fundamentalist stands on the edge of a rooftop and reveals a thick belt of dynamite (A BOMB) around his waist. William L Petersen tries to talk him out of blowing himself up while his partner sneaks in and tries to grab the guy. Unfortunately, the guy falls off the roof and explodes in midair (A huge SPARK explosion, no less!). Both men then wipe the sweat from their brows and decide to go for a beer as if a crazed man didn't just die in a fireball right in front of their eyes.

b) Cut to a man who jumping off a very high bridge. We are meant to think that this is a suicide attempt (he's actually on a bungee cord), only as he falls he has his eyes wide open and is shouting "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA", as suicides certainly often do.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 9 January 2004 21:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I remember thinking that explosion woulda fucked up his partner way more than it did. I mean 50 sticks of dynamite went off less than 30 feet away from him. But they're just like "Yesssss! It's Miller time". Also, did he scale the face of the building to sneak up on the fundamentalist from behind. He just appears up over the ledge from out of freakin' nowhere.

I always fall asleep halfway through Q : The Winged Serpent, even though I love it.

PVC (peeveecee), Saturday, 10 January 2004 06:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay, I just finished To Live And Die In LA. It had more gems like this plus it made absolutely no sense and the acting was ridiculous. It was the best bad film i have seen for some time,

I know this should have its own thread, but:

a)William L Pedersen escorts John Turturro out of jail on the proviso that they are visiting Turturro's daughter in hospital. In the hospital elevator, Pedersen removes Turturro's handcuffs and they walk out into the corridor. Pedersen then asks where the daughter is, only for Turturro to turn around and quickly say what sounds like "she's in the park with all the other monkeys!" (I rewound it three or four times and I'm still not sure), and punch Pedersen in the face before weirdly clapping his hands onto either side of his head.

b)There are lines like "If you're looking for a pigeon, try the park" and "If it's bread you're after, go fuck a baker".

c)There is a weird scene where William L Pedersen, Willem Dafoe, and Jon Pankow are all changing in the locker room. Pankow is naked in the foreground and bends over right in front of us so that we are treated to a lingering butt shot. There is an inexplicable bruise on his left buttock which has nothing to do with the story.
SPOILER BUT WHO CARES: Pedersen also dies in a locker room (the same one?). There is some kind of message there but I'm not sure what it is. And yet more amusing nudity - one scene features Pedersen's penis in bold but apparently accidental silhouette.

d)To Live And Die In LA has the most confusing and nonsensical final shot of any film I have possibly EVER SEEN. I watched the alternate ending on the DVD, and that was clearly the second most confusing and nonsensical ending I have ever seen.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 10 January 2004 07:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Heh, #3 in the original post really gets to me, too. How about stuffy male English teachers who invariably have a faint British accent and bowtie? And yes, call their students Mr./Miss So-and-So in a vaguely condescending manner. Has anyone EVER had a teacher like this?

Also, the teacher is in the middle of a sentence when the bell rings. The students all get up and leave immediately, Pavlovian. The teacher's mouth is still open; he/she is helpless. If he/she even bothers to sputter out a homework assignment, it's as the students are already halfway out the door and not listening. I mean, I'd make sure the students weren't excused until I finished what I needed to say -- but apparently, in movies you just can't fight the bell! (Also, what about college classes that have bells?!?)

jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 10 January 2004 07:35 (twenty-one years ago)

How about stuffy male English teachers who invariably have a faint British accent and bowtie? And yes, call their students Mr./Miss So-and-So in a vaguely condescending manner. Has anyone EVER had a teacher like this?

I had a geography teacher like this. But ALL my teachers had British accents, so maybe that doesn't count?

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 10 January 2004 07:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Nope. I'm talking American public high schools.

jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 10 January 2004 07:47 (twenty-one years ago)

All I know is that American movies make going to high school and living in a small town or suburb look like the sexiest, most exciting thing ever. I am sad to have missed out.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 10 January 2004 07:59 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, I think heaven would be the sunny suburb from an American teen movie.

PVC (peeveecee), Sunday, 11 January 2004 03:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, during the title sequence, the camera pans across the front lawn of the high school, where students are usually sitting on the steps, tossing frisbees on the grass, rollerblading, etc. Where do they get all this time to hang out before school or between classes?

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 12 January 2004 01:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, supposing they don't take the bus, who drives to school extra-early to loiter about?

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 12 January 2004 02:01 (twenty-one years ago)

(And the bus hardly affords you enough time, either.)

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 12 January 2004 02:04 (twenty-one years ago)

20-somethings playing high schoolers.didn't irritate me until after high school

issac holguin (sirus), Thursday, 15 January 2004 09:21 (twenty-one years ago)

OK I gotta a couple of specific complaints...

* Air Force One & Independence Day : Both presidents in these movies are portrayed as winners of the Congressional Medal of Honor, for reasons unknown (to establish their toughness credentials without question ?)... Anyhow: 90% of your CMH winners are dead, they're not pilots and I doubt if a CMH winner would even be electable considering the amount of killing a living CMH winner would have to do. Other than that, what the hell...

* The Last Castle : A 3-star general is sentenced to three years at a military prison. You lost me there.... In the entire history of the military (and I'm talking about ALL TIME) there's never been an officer of that rank doing a stitch of time, I don't care WHAT he
did (including the idiot who sent all the Union soldiers into that
crater in Cold Mountain)... Other than that, what the hell...

Dave Gilbert, Monday, 19 January 2004 05:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Expanding Alan's point:

Someone close to the main character (his partner/sibling/fiancé/friend) dies in front of his eyes. He's sad for a moment, but then continues whatever he was doing (chasing the bad guys etc.), even if he is a normal person, and not someone who'd be well equipped facing death (like a soldier, or a cop). I think real life seeing someone die in front of your eyes, even if he was a stranger, would cause you to go into shock and not be able to do anything for quite a while.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 19 January 2004 11:06 (twenty-one years ago)


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