Movies where the director is not considered the auteur

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Charlie Kaufmann movies.
Marx Brothers.

Others?

― ryan (ryan), Sunday, 9 May 2004 01:04 (twenty-one years ago)

jerry lewis films

kaufmann is an interesting phenomenon, the screenwriter/non-director auteur. and considering his presence as a writer transcends the tremendous talents he has directing his films (michel gondry, spike jonze), it's quite an achievement. i can't think of another screenwriter who can boast the same.

― jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Sunday, 9 May 2004 04:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Jackie Chan

― Anthony (Anthony F), Sunday, 9 May 2004 14:36 (twenty-one years ago)

All the George Lucas-produced films of the 80s from Empire Strikes Back to Howard.... Except for the Indiana Jones Movies.
Poltergeist....

― David Nolan (David N.), Sunday, 9 May 2004 17:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Jerry Lewis directed a large number of his own star vehicles, he modeled his career on Chaplin. He authored a characteristically egotistical book on his approach making films titled "The Total Filmmaker." One unsettling detail of his process involves late nights of editing alone in which Jerry's love of film drives him to lick the emulsion material.

Adam Sandler would fall into this catagory I think, since by now we associate certians qualities that re-occur throughout his star vehicles.

Joe Eszterhas

― theodore fogelsanger, Sunday, 9 May 2004 20:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Howard Hawks 's The Thing from another World.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 10 May 2004 00:26 (twenty-one years ago)

hawks did direct that movie (or most of it), but gave the credit to christian nyby for some reason, apparently as a favor.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 10 May 2004 07:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd argue that Hooper is nearly as important to the power of Poltergeist's tonal shift as Spielberg.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 10 May 2004 09:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Good point on the Adam Sandler. Comedians seem to fit well in this category--Jim Carrey, Chris Farley, etc.

― jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Monday, 10 May 2004 20:55 (twenty-one years ago)

i would say that jerry bruckheimer has a certain auteur feel to the movies he produces (which isnt necessarily positive).

possibly some cinematographers can be associated with films more than the directors are. a bad example is raoul coutard, who was quite a tour de force in the french new wave... but godard, truffaut, et al do get the mention more than coutard

― todd swiss (eliti), Monday, 10 May 2004 21:36 (twenty-one years ago)

good point, todd. only problem (as you express with the coutard example) is that good cinematographers often stick with one director for most of their career, and typically get overshadowed (even worse, their personal aesthetic is often attributed unjustly to the director).

other examples of this phenomena are greg tolland and sven nykvist. gordon willis and nestor almendros also come to mind as DP auteurs.

just for kicks, here's the International Cinematographers Guild's picks for the ten most influencial cinematographers of all time:

Billy Bitzer
Jordan Cronenweth
Conrad L. Hall
James Wong Howe
Sven Nykvist
Vittorio Storaro
Gregg Toland
Haskell Wexler
Gordon Willis
Freddie Young
Vilmos Zsigmond

― jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Monday, 10 May 2004 23:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Shaw Brothers are a dead certainty as producer auteurs.

― Mil, Tuesday, 11 May 2004 00:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Troma could be considered in the same light too.

Can anyone think of other studios that 'brand' all their films in such a way?

― Mil, Tuesday, 11 May 2004 00:35 (twenty-one years ago)

robbie muller is one cinematographer whose images i can often peg as "his" whether he's working with jarmusch or wenders or whoever.

― a spectator bird (a spectator bird), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 14:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmm... some of those cinematographers (I'm looking towards Hall) seemed to work exclusively with non-auteurs.

However, there's also the case of Jordan Cronenweth, who went from Brewster McCloud to the MST3K movie Touch of Satan to Blade Runner. (!)

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 14:12 (twenty-one years ago)

sorry, just posted the "ten most influencial list" for amusement, not because they necessarily fit the "auteur" model.

― jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 23:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow -- Currently having an argument on my site about this. I posted a note about seeing the Thai film "Last Life in the Universe" at the Tribeca Film Festival (AMAZING film), and how both the director and Christopher Doyle were there. It appears that Doyle's role was 'more' than cinematographer.

It's an interesting argument that you can read (and feel free to join) HERE.

― BabyBuddha (BabyBuddha), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 20:22 (twenty-one years ago)

three years pass...

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/film/2008/01/the_road_to_the_oscars_best_di.html

silly man.

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 12:23 (seventeen years ago)

Movies starring Clint Eastwood.
or James Dean.

― sexyDancer, Friday, 18 January 2008 18:09 (seventeen years ago)

...or Brando.

― C. Grisso/McCain, Friday, 18 January 2008 18:28 (seventeen years ago)

tim burton's the nightmare before christmas

― and what, Friday, 18 January 2008 19:37 (seventeen years ago)

The Thing From Another World (Howard Hawks the producer, Christian Nyby director)

― latebloomer, Saturday, 19 January 2008 20:25 (seventeen years ago)

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