Films about the Manson family.

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I've been on a big Charlie kick after reading "Helter Skelter". So far I've watched the original TV movie "Helter Skelter" and "Charles Manson Superstar".

I found HS to be fairly uneven, but also somewhat daring for a TV movie. It had moments of greatness and realism (some of Bugliosi's interviews, like the one with Juan Flynn, were incredibly believeable), and moments of utter cheese (Katie was way too feminine, Sadie was laughable & Leslie looked like a supermodel). The guy who played Charlie did a horrible job at the start of the film (the big fake psycho eyes & toothy grin looked nothing like Manson) but he pretty much BECAME Manson by the trial portion of the film (his speech to the court was dead on).

On the other hand, CMS was interesting, albeit ridiculously biased by the satanist runt who directed it (did anyone catch his picture? if that's not "walking cliche" satanist status, down to the cocky glare, I don't know what is). I appreciated the investigation of the links to other groups like Scientology and The Process, but I definitely think the director stretched the Satanist links to make Manson meet his expectations of what he wanted him to be--a genius with a vast knowledge of history and the occult. I think the interviews with Manson served to do exactly the opposite--they showed a man juggling a mix of philosophies that he knew little about, and who is dealing with some pretty major psychosis and schizophrenia. I felt sorry for the guy; it's like he was throwing out a thousand thoughts into the air, for the hope that one would stick and sound poignant, if only on first reflection.

I'm probably going to pick up a copy of "Manson" on VHS from Ebay. Can anyone recommend any other Family related films? I would also like to hear other folks' opinions of the two films I mentioned.

jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 22:08 (twenty-one years ago)

No idea about any of those. But it is cool how John Waters puts a Manson reference in every film he does.

Queen Electric Butt Prober BZZT!! BZZZZZT!! (Queen Electric Butt Prober BZZ), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 23:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Waters has been one of the leading advocates of obtaining parole for Leslie Van Houten. He even dedicated "Pink Flamingos" to Sadie, Katie & Leslie.

jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 00:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Anybody see the recent revamped "Helter Skelter?" Does Kenneth Anger's "Lucifer Rising" count as related? I believe the soundtrack for that just got released on CD for the first time. Also, the soundtrack for the original "Helter Skelter" tv movie, while much derided, is awesome - as they couldn't get permission to use the original Beatles songs, they're played by some anonymous stoner 1970s California band.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 03:24 (twenty-one years ago)


The new film from underground horror auteur Jim Van Bebber, "The Manson Family" is garnering a reptuation as THE cinematic Manson masterpiece http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118840/usercomments
Supposedly it was something like 10 years in the making. It's not on video yet but check out the reviews so you we can all share the anticipation together.

I saw Helter Skelter when I was young, perhaps too young to. The final tracking shot on Manson in his cell when he's smiling and clapping...but he slowly turns his head toward the camera in a creepy abrupt freeze framed evil smile. This ending scared the bejeesus (sp?) out of me. There's something about schlocky exploitation techniques such as freeze frames and shock cuts that should be cheezy but I've always been a serious mark for them.

Haven't seen Charles Manson Superstar, based on your comments Jay, I now really want to.
I rented Manson from my local video store. Definitely of interest if one needs more. Although you'll probably be very surprised, or maybe not, that it somehow won an Oscar for best doc. Lots of wild interview stuff with the Manson girls.

For further Manson reading if desired...
Neo-Nazi movement leader James Mason authored the terrifying and hilarious book "Seige," which is partly a fascinating account of Mason's growing adoration of Manson as a racist revolutionary figure. Mason includes examples of Charlie's letters to President Reagan.
I haven't read it yet but I believe Boyd Rice worked on a short lived zine called "The Manson File" which is probably worth tracking down.

theodore fogelsanger, Wednesday, 21 July 2004 03:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Here's the website for the Van Bebber film, including a trailer--

http://www2.themansonfamilymovie.com/

jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Sunday, 25 July 2004 12:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Raymond Pettibon made a few films all with a heavy Manson influence, most notably The Book Of Manson.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 26 July 2004 14:58 (twenty-one years ago)

regarding the ebay 'manson' dvd/vhs.
i assume your refering to the 1972 hendrickson one.
i highly recommend this i got one of the bootleg dvds off someone who was selling it on ebay until they canceled it due to the legal issues over that dvd. (see http://www.exclusivefilmnet.com/)
its not a legitimate dvd in any case, and while the quality is at least as good as a good vhs copy, it is no better. and its kind of strange, its a pretty poorly made bootleg if you ask me. there are a lot of these dvds floating around, as i understand it, amazon.com and walmart were selling them.
in any case the film itself is really really great. while pretty much all the interviews of the family members are 'after the fact' (most noticibly because they girls all have shaved heads) it still has all real footage in it.
and there are some of the most beautiful, idealistic pieces of footage of the family.
you should very much try and get a copy. maybe even just try and rent it if its around.

dcp, Saturday, 7 August 2004 08:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Which one is the CBS TV movie that's just come out/is about to come out that stars Jeremy Davies as Manson?

Girolamo Savonarola, Saturday, 7 August 2004 11:46 (twenty-one years ago)

That's a remake of Bugliosi's Helter Skelter. Apparently Jeremy Davies' audition tape as Manson prompted Soderbergh to cast him in Solaris.

herbert hebert (herbert hebert), Saturday, 7 August 2004 22:46 (twenty-one years ago)

"Does Kenneth Anger's "Lucifer Rising" count as related? I believe the soundtrack for that just got released on CD for the first time"

Just picked up the new LR soundtrack last week--fantastic job of remastering, excellent liner notes about the history of the soundtrack's creation & letters from Anger and Beausoleil, beautiful photography---highly recommended.

jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Sunday, 8 August 2004 13:50 (twenty-one years ago)

if only that Manson flick with Vincent Gallo in the title role had gotten made

PVC (peeveecee), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 06:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Vincent Gallo would have been perfect--he's possibly the only human being alive who is more of an egomaniac than Manson.

jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Thursday, 12 August 2004 19:24 (twenty-one years ago)

and I dig that about him.

PVC (peeveecee), Friday, 13 August 2004 11:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah me too. One could say he's turned his egomania into something of an art form, he's kind of like a hip hop superstar in that sense.

herbert hebert (herbert hebert), Saturday, 14 August 2004 04:09 (twenty-one years ago)

nine years pass...

Highly recommend Jeff Guinn’s biography. (Figured there was no need for a "Books about the Manson Family" thread.) Manson’s the distant past, chronicled in books and movies before, a conman and murderer who’s been stuck on pause for 40 years--I doubt he’s of much interest anymore to ILX. I read Ed Sanders book long ago, saw Helter Skelter, and I think I may have read the book too--some high school friends and I latched onto the story via the White Album. So I remembered most of the names and events surrounding the murders, but Manson’s early life, and the ‘40s and ‘50s and everything that led him to L.A. in the mid-‘60s was mostly new to me, chronicled in great detail by Guinn. How these people managed to find each other is one of those fascinating, inexplicable perfect storms. There was also a subtle inversion I found interesting. I’ve always thought of Manson in the way that he’s always presented: part of that whole sequence of end-of-the-‘60s signposts, coming after the moon landing, almost simultaneous to Woodstock, before Altamont. In the book, though, everything else is a backdrop to Manson. So when you get to something like My Lai, and William Calley’s explanation at the trial a year later, the obvious connections resonate.

clemenza, Saturday, 18 January 2014 22:59 (twelve years ago)


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