"Lost Book Found"

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So what did you think?

jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Sunday, 14 November 2004 20:21 (twenty-one years ago)

No one's posting...has anyone watched it yet?

jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Monday, 15 November 2004 20:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I taped this off of the Sundance channel last year and I had seen it once before then. I guess I've seen it about three times now and liked it more each time. That shouldn't be unexpected since Cohen's film is densely packed with a good amount of poetically rendered details of urban life. Out of all the films, documentary, experimental, and narrative which I've seen that have used New York as a setting, I can't think of any that have managed/attemoted to elicit an emotional resonance as effectively with the setting as this one does.

I also use to dis personal documentary as a form beofre being reminded of this film. I still critcize personal documentary since I still see a lot of indulgent student films that are more confessional than truly personal. "Lost Book Found" has an aesthetic design and a detail oriented poetry that universalizes the personal, so for that alone I think every film student should see it.

herbert hebert (herbert hebert), Monday, 15 November 2004 23:32 (twenty-one years ago)

It's the "universalizing the personal" that really appeals to me, not only via Cohen, but the idea of "the city" as an entity that represents all of humanity.

I'm interested in your idea of personal documentary being "more confessional than truly personal." Can you explain that a bit more? Do you mean a self-indulgent catharsis by means of a video camera as some type of priest? Caveh Zahedi and Ross McElwee are leaping to mind, and while I can see this type of thing being leveled against them, I don't think the criticism holds. Please explain.

jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 01:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I suppose what I meant by "truly personal" is that I think what aspiring filmmakers should persue is a command of language that is something of an extension of their personality and all of the things in this world that contributed to making them who they are. I haven't seen any of Zahedi's work but I've enjoyed everything I've seen by Ross McElwee because it isn't simply the facts of his life that make his movies interesting, their is a specific comic personality that comes through in his sense of timing, choice of images, etc.

I've just had the experience of meeting people who were making personal documentaries primarily because they wanted to tell the story of current events in their lives, hence existing as simply confessional. I just think the resulting film will not be very interesting if one isn't pursuing some sort of aesthetic/formal purpose/design as well.

George Kuchar's video diaries exist as my favorite works of his. He uses a fairly low grade consumer vhs camcorder to its highest capability, revealing that he has a great documentarian eye by the on the fly details he chooses to focus on and the editing rhythms usually feel very fluid and precise.
I usually become frustrated in general if a filmmaker displays no awareness of language, which is why I don't expect that I will enjoy "Super-Size Me" from what I've heard.

herbert hebert (herbert hebert), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 02:30 (twenty-one years ago)

This was pretty great (although sometimes in spite of the standard-level overponderous narration). I grew up in NYC, and lived there when this was made; many of the scenes looked very familiar. They caught entire aspects of living in the city in quick gestures. (One particular shot that jumped out was at 34:07, of an old man selling Freddie The Frog puppets -- I bought one of them from such a man on such a street at around the time this was made.) The shout-out to Ben Katchor at the end seemed apt, but on the one hand I thought this was more successful than I find most Katchor to be, and on the other hand this was more of a direct memory for me than Katchor does, so that's hardly fair.

I don't know how effective this would be for me if I didn't have that direct experience of what it is documenting, though.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 06:20 (twenty-one years ago)

"I don't know how effective this would be for me if I didn't have that direct experience of what it is documenting, though."

I was just thinking the opposite--would this film be as effective if I lived in the city. I've only been to NYC once, for a few hours as a kid. I think one of the powers of this film for me is that it fills in the "underground" mystique of New York, its schizophrenic, under-the-subways, in the wrong part of town side, somthing I just didn't get from Woody Allen films.

Also, the idea of the "myth" of the city, the city as a chaotic puzzle that can be ordered appealed to me mainly because I have only a passing experience with city life.

More than anything, I love the formalistic techniques in this film. The slow shutter and film speed is very effective for drawing close attention to people and objects, especially faces and expressions that normally would not be noticed.

I agree with what herbert hebert was saying about needing a cinematic "language" to go with one's story. However, I don't think I agree with "confessional" filmmaking being a bad thing in and of itself. I think "Sherman's March", "In The Bathtub of the World" (actually, anything by Zahedi), and "Lost Book Found" to all be examples of "confessional" docs (in one way or another) that have been highly engaging films. However, the films will fail without a uniqueness of experience and form. Plus, the narrator has to be completely open and honest with the viewer, or at least give a pretty damn good perception that he/she is.

jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 13:09 (twenty-one years ago)

There is nothing underground at all about what the film is showing, of course. It's showing the everyday stuff, the stuff that Woody Allen characters pass on their way to whatever museum or movie house they're headed to next. One of the features of living in New York is that there is such information overload that you have to put blinders on to a lot of it, and I suppose this is the stuff that the Woody Allen set ignores. But these details were what made New York for me, and some of them (the rotating pastry display window, the handwritten "$2" signs, the mechanical jumping frogs, the handwritten complaints taped to the street poles) induced nostalgia in me.

I agree that it was well shot to show these details, although I don't know the technical side to it.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 18:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Strange, "nostalgia" is exactly the word I would use to describe the feeling I get from the film, even though I never lived in NY. Maybe it's just a nostalgia for a older version of capitalism, the perpetual "going-out-of-business" sales, etc.

"Lost Book Found" was edited from over ten years of footage. Jem Cohen would carry a Super 8 camera with him at all times & shoot whatever caught his eye. It's such a departure from the standard contrivances of filmmaking (get the actors together, set up the lights, take one, take two, etc.), and it's an incredibly liberating way to work. Cohen has had a huge influence on my philosophy toward making my own films.

jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 20:35 (twenty-one years ago)

"Lost Book Found" was edited from over ten years of footage.

Really? Hunh. The few things I saw which indicated a time implied early 90s, but if I were older perhaps I would have recognized some older things. Most of it felt timeless -- you could still see much of that today (it might be a bit harder to find, though).

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 21:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I would love to get my hands on a few of those handwritten rants...

jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 21:28 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.foundmagazine.com/ is perhaps a starting point.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 21:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Found Magazine is great. I just rented a Found Magazine video called "Memorial Day 2000". It was found at a yard sale in Michigan & it's just footage of a bunch of rural 20-somethings getting drunk & jumping through bonfires & wrestling & vomiting & mud bogging. Based on the box description ("I have divided everyone I know into two groups--those who have seen it and those who have not") I was expecting a lot more, but oh well.

There was a recent Found submission from the town I live in--Burlington, VT. Some note about pills or something.

jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Thursday, 18 November 2004 13:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I bought "Memorial Day 2000" and it was packaged as if it were some weird and occult mystery you were buying into - that it would almost possess you with its uncharacteristic transfixion or something like that.

A total rip considering what it really is. But so it goes - I like to sometimes buy underground stuff on a whim, so you gotta accept the risk you'll run into this.

Girolamo Savonarola, Thursday, 18 November 2004 15:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I guess for some stuffy city hipster who looks at rural folk like some kind of anthopological oddity, this film might be a great kitsch find. I grew up around these kind of people & have even been to or participated in some of them in my younger years. "MD2000" just reminds me of a more redneck-ish version of my college party videos. Definitely a let-down.

jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Thursday, 18 November 2004 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)


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