Passolini--S/D

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Okay, "L'Eclisse" is being released by Criterion & I have no Passolini experience past "Salo"--what should I rent?

Most people who know me from ILF know that I'm not a "safe bet" type--don't give me his most popular films--what are his most challenging yet rewarding works?

jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Friday, 24 December 2004 04:01 (twenty years ago)

Well, I haven't personally seen any of his films..I'm in the same boat as you, because he definitely sounds interesting.

Didn't "RoGoPaG" feature one of his shorter works with Orson Welles, Jesus, his issues with Catholicism, etc.?

Anyway, from what I read, most of the 60's work is worth looking into. In particular: "Accattone", "Mamma Roma", "Uccellacci e Uccellini", "Teorema", or "Porcile." The last one, in particular, would be of great interest to you -- I think -- since you're a fan of "Weekend."

Side-note: I had an Italian professor who raved about his earlier films, especially Accattone and Mamma Roma. She really liked how he challenged Italy's censorship at the time. She also liked how he was sympathetic to these people, who were the "undesirables" and were usually treated with contempt (and in contrast, attacked the bourgeoisie/upper-crust, who she felt were far worse, etc.).

In any case, let me know what you end up renting and what you thought.

mj (robert blake), Friday, 24 December 2004 07:27 (twenty years ago)

I've always been a fan of the Trilogy of Life - Decameron, Canterbury Tales, and Arabian Nights. Accattone is very much of the neorealist school, and it doesn't do too much for me, esp. when I'm aware of how much more he did. And of course there's Salo. Other than that, I'm shamefully ignorant of the rest of his work...it is something I'm trying to rectify. My top three I want to see are Hawks and Sparrows, Gospel According to..., and Teorema.

Girolamo Savonarola, Friday, 24 December 2004 12:55 (twenty years ago)

PS - It's Pasolini

Girolamo Savonarola, Friday, 24 December 2004 12:55 (twenty years ago)

Eh, at least I didn't call him Assolini. That would have just been crude....

I'm lucky enough to have a local video store (for now--they may be forced to shut down due to some stupid "city redevelopment" project) that has all of Pasolini's films. I have seen Accattone now that I think of it (probably forgot about because I wasn't that impressed--early Fellini had a better take on "twisted neorealism".

The have "Hawks & Sparrows", "Gospel..." and "Teorema" on DVD so I'll probably pick those up these week (I get a paid week off from work so I'm going on a movie binge...)

jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Friday, 24 December 2004 13:11 (twenty years ago)

Search -Teorema
Search - Gospel According To...

Ken L (Ken L), Friday, 24 December 2004 14:50 (twenty years ago)

wait...l'eclisse is an antonioni film unless i'm missing something here...

salo might be my favorite film that i may never watch again (i stress *may*)

joseph (joseph), Saturday, 25 December 2004 05:51 (twenty years ago)

it made me unbelievably happy to see such a wealth of new pasolini dvds pop up at virgin megastore during my christmas shopping, by the way - would that i had enough cash to get the whole lot...(teorema is on dvd, yes/no?)

joseph (joseph), Saturday, 25 December 2004 05:52 (twenty years ago)

I have at least two votes (from other people, big Pasolini fans both) for Hawks and Sparrows. I'll let you know if there's a third after I watch it.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 25 December 2004 06:06 (twenty years ago)

wait...l'eclisse is an antonioni film unless i'm missing something here...
Yes, you are certainly right about that. I don't know why none of us commented on this before you.

I have seen Accattone now that I think of it (probably forgot about because I wasn't that impressed--early Fellini had a better take on "twisted neorealism".
I don't think of Accatoneas some textbook example of neorealism, twisted or otherwise, but more of a personal, autobiographical film. For brilliant use of neorealist technique from PPP, see the Gospel According To... - an instance of "period" neorealism.

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 27 December 2004 13:51 (twenty years ago)

"wait...l'eclisse is an antonioni film unless i'm missing something here..."

Mixed up my Criterion references; sorry.

Rented "Gospel..." today; I'll post my thoughts after I watch it.

jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Monday, 27 December 2004 20:30 (twenty years ago)

nine months pass...
Um. So, perhaps without spoilers, just how gruesome/graphic/explicit is Salo?

Gold star for robotboy! (Chris Piuma), Saturday, 15 October 2005 07:11 (twenty years ago)

Gospel & Teorema, possibly Mamma Roma and Hawks & Sparrows are my favorites... also that short he did w/ Welles about the Jesus movie.

I haven't seen Salo either.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 15 October 2005 14:41 (twenty years ago)

Salo, by today's post-Irreversible/Pink Flamingos standards, is not really that outrageous. Still, there's plenty of Nazi masochism, hetro & homosexual orgies, feces & urine consumption, etc. It's mostly in long shots, so it's not too graphic.

jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Saturday, 15 October 2005 19:01 (twenty years ago)

I'm actually more worried about gore or close-ups of injury. I can handly pretty much anything intellectually, but even the representation of, say, that scene in Saddest Music in the World makes me unhappy.

Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 16 October 2005 00:38 (twenty years ago)

I just watched Medea: WTF?

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 06:43 (twenty years ago)

Lars Van Trier? w/ Udo Kier?

k/l (Ken L), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 12:17 (twenty years ago)

What?

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 20 October 2005 02:08 (twenty years ago)

Oh, Pasolini did a Medea too!

k/l (Ken L), Thursday, 20 October 2005 02:57 (twenty years ago)

It has Maria Callas in it (as Medea)! She doesn't sing in it, but she gets to look fierce. Also there is nearly no dialogue. Also, it is a very, very odd film.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 20 October 2005 05:04 (twenty years ago)

After spending far too long trying to get the subtitle file to work (is it really possible that the copy I have is missing 20 seconds from the middle of a comparatively pedestrian scene?), I watched Salo.

I was mostly sad to see the woman from Arabian Nights in her role. It brought home just how unrelenting this film was.

Nice music, though, and some exceptionally well hung young men.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 06:11 (nineteen years ago)


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