Movies with relatively inexplicable endings

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2001 is surely the prototype for this sort of thing, though it can become quite subjective. One's man mind boggling opacity is another man's open book.

I think, however, that there is a certain "type" of ending that:

1) abandons the narrative structure of the film
2) ventures into pure symbolism/allegory/fantasy
3) is intentionally mysterious and opaque
(any other common elements?)

Is the idea always to convey the unspeakable nature of the sublime? transcendence? death? memory?

What other movies do this? Both version of Solaris seem like good candidates. Ratcatcher? What else?

And secondly, how do you usually react to these endings? Are such naked and obvious attempts at "artistic transcendence" totally stupid and pretentious or the highest form of the art? How do you earn it? Isn't the form of transcendence implied by so many Bresson films, a transcendence firmly planted in the narrative, almost resolutely unsymbolic and immediately understandable, vastly superior to mind games and puzzles?

I should add I love these kinds of endings and I am a huge sucker for them, and that's partly why I ask.

ryan (ryan), Tuesday, 28 December 2004 04:37 (twenty-one years ago)

How about...

Schindler's List
Adaptation
Being John Malkovich
Mulholland Drive

I don't really have much to say on the topic. Depends on the film, I guess. Interesting subject, though.

Anthony (Anthony F), Tuesday, 28 December 2004 06:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Two Lane Blacktop
O Lucky Man
The Holy Mountain

Betraying my age a little, but this was very much a 60's - early 70's tendency. When it works, it really works. (I love the final frames of Two Lane Blacktop.) But it does have to be earned, or it come across as a cop out:"Aw maaan, the backers want an ENDING?"

Soukesian, Tuesday, 28 December 2004 09:19 (twenty-one years ago)

only two posts in, sure, but, c'mon - beyond the valley of the dolls!

joseph (joseph), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 05:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't have much experience with this type of ending, but I have seen Tarkovsky's "Solaris," so I'll comment based off that. And I really need to see "2001" one of these days.

Speaking of Kubrick - and I'm just throwing this out - wouldn't Eyes Wide Shut's ending be the antithesis to those rules? It's very much grounded in reality and restores some narrative strucuture to an otherwise odd dreamlike trip; I wish Kubrick would have cut out that silly scene with Pollock's "explanation", because it didn't fit at all.

The overall message I got from "Solaris" was that humans are never going to be able to fully understand life - the universe, and even themselves (are memories the only thing defining us? etc.). So the protagonist being on an island in Solaris, which itself was a mystery, reinforced the themes and narrative beforehand. It also added to this overall mystical tone the film had throughout. So.. I felt it was an 'earned' ending. Also, I think endings like this are more jarring than anything, especially if you're new to them, like I am..

As for the other question about artistic transcendence, I don't know...It seems to me that the viewer is going to be the judge of that. You're the one experiencing it; whether is it's built into the narrative or it's a complete break from the narrative, you're the one who decides if it has any significance or if it is laughable. I know it is probably an easy-out to bring the subjectivity argument into this, but I really don't know how to answer this otherwise.

That's my stab at answering this, but eh, I felt like I just wrote a bunch of crap anyway.


mj (robert blake), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 06:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't Look Now

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 20:23 (twenty-one years ago)

dont look now? it makes pertfect, terrifying sense!

aguirre, wrath of god. i dont know actually

David Steans, Thursday, 30 December 2004 01:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Herzog's Strozcek - I mean, the dancing chicken/animals stuff...

Tarkovsky's Andrei Rubylev - the shot (in color) of the horses

Hellman's The Shooting

Joe (Joe), Thursday, 30 December 2004 01:41 (twenty-one years ago)

dont look now made no sense at all to me!

ryan (ryan), Thursday, 30 December 2004 03:56 (twenty-one years ago)

a related question--can anyone name movies that either replay a previous part of the film or an event that was prior the end of the narrative?

ryan (ryan), Thursday, 30 December 2004 04:10 (twenty-one years ago)

reply to previous post:
The Exterminating Angel
reply to original question:
Simon of the Desert


The ending of Don't Look Now makes sense to me.

Ken L (Ken L), Thursday, 30 December 2004 05:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Then there are some movies with endings that are only confusing because other people convinced me that they were confusing- like Jacob's Ladder, for instance.

Ken L (Ken L), Thursday, 30 December 2004 06:56 (twenty-one years ago)

donald sutherland is psychic - hed seen his own funeral procession earlier in the film, hence being confused as to why julie christie would still be in venice when hed just seen her off to england... the ending is the funeral down the river right?

before that what hed thought was his drownde daughter was actually the murderous dwarf

David Steans, Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:09 (twenty-one years ago)

but why a murderous dwarf!?! (i know: why not, right? but for some reason that only makes me more confused)

ryan (ryan), Thursday, 30 December 2004 22:05 (twenty-one years ago)

well, right when the couple arrived they were informed of these killings......its a murderous dwarf because that makes the story and the twist WORK.........the murdereer and his daughter are the same size....

oh, pulling it apart like this makes it sound stupid, but it never made less than perfect sense to me, i think its one of the most chilling films/stories ever.....respect!!!!

David Steans, Friday, 31 December 2004 02:36 (twenty-one years ago)

oh it's a great movie surely. except for the weirdly long and boring doing-it scene.

ryan (ryan), Friday, 31 December 2004 04:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Robert Bresson's Diary of a Country Priest. I mean, narratively speaking there's nothing weird about the ending, but I have no idea why Bresson chose the final shot he did.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 31 December 2004 13:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Vanishing Point, the classic late 60s road movie. This is the first movie I recall seeing that left me confused and wondering what the director meant because it couldn't be what he showed. I'm referring to the ending where the car goes through the roadblock.

nickn (nickn), Monday, 3 January 2005 00:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Scream 3.

dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 3 January 2005 15:43 (twenty-one years ago)

The Marriage of Maria Braun used to be cited for its ending, although I think I could explic it if I tried.

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 3 January 2005 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I had to re-wind Dead Or Alive to make sure that the ending had actually happened.

jim pj, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 13:29 (twenty-one years ago)

the ending to The Parent Trap has always perplexed.
someone please explain it?
most people who have seen it have glossed over its
truly bizarre ending since they were kids when they last saw it.

haleymillsno1fan, Friday, 7 January 2005 21:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, I watched Frailty and it has a related problem. Boy did this movie get me going for most of it, then fall completely apart under the weight of a crappy twist ending. The basic premise is great - suppose you're a kid and your only parent goes berzerk, and compels you to commit terrible crimes? Worse, what if you're also responsible for a younger sibling, one who is buying your Dad's lunacy hook line and sinker because he's younger and more impressionable? For a good 2/3 of the running time, this plot is sketched out brilliantly, with excellent performances by the child actors and extremely plausible twists and turns to the story. The framing device was a bit of a wash, with Powers Boothe in the plus column and Matthew McConnaghey in the minus, and sure enough, the seemingly unneccesary framing device was a launching pad for the total belly-flop of the ending that anyone could see coming a mile away, if they just play Gus' "If I was a hack screenwriter..." game. I can't fully condemn this movie, but goddamn I wish whoever was responsible for the cop out had the guts to stick to the original idea to it's end.

Austin (Austin), Sunday, 16 January 2005 17:45 (twenty-one years ago)

oopsie - I reposted that from another forum, so I guess you guys don't know Gus.

Austin (Austin), Sunday, 16 January 2005 17:59 (twenty-one years ago)

refer me?

Remy IS THE Snush (x Jeremy), Monday, 17 January 2005 06:03 (twenty-one years ago)

It's a closed forum, but here's Gus' website.

http://home.earthlink.net/~gussheridan

Austin (Austin), Monday, 17 January 2005 15:56 (twenty-one years ago)

re: frailty's bad ending, the "good" ending would have been
a simpering invective against Christian dogma, and would have
overshadowed any technical merits of the storytelling.
The "bad" ending at least asks, "See what happens when you're right?"
versus the trite "But what if you're wrong?"
Blasphemy by pandering totally trumps well-executed morality play.
Maybe not a good example, but The Rapture has the same kind of
"bad" ending.

frailtyno1fan, Tuesday, 18 January 2005 00:07 (twenty-one years ago)

otm

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 00:39 (twenty-one years ago)

What? No. The problem with Frailty's ending isn't that it answers the question wrong, it's that it answers the wrong question. I don't really give two shits about whether the movie believes in God or the Devil or all that stuff. What's good about the movie is the questions it asks about family, not religion. And the weak-ass ending makes it about religion, not family.

Austin (Austin), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 04:17 (twenty-one years ago)

If you removed the religious/fantastic component of the story, then
the movie becomes reduced to "my dad is a psycho, how can I stop him?"
The family dynamic isn't very interesting without the ambiguity of
"my dad is a psycho, but he might be right" which is corroborated
by the weak-ass ending. I'm sure you could remove the offending
"O. henry twist" and hacky framing devices but I'm not so sure that
would guarantee a stronger movie. The Rapture perhaps has the
good taste not to engage in those things, but seems more anemic
in comparison to ol' hokey Frailty.

frailtyno1fan, Tuesday, 18 January 2005 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not sure what more I can say to make myself understood. You don't need to remove Dad's religious mania from the film, you simply need to keep the facts of it unknowable. Instead, keep the focus on the tension between the brothers, one a true believer, the other a skeptic. Add the twist that the skeptic has not just brotherly but also motherly feelings for his younger sib and the fact that the tension between older kid and dad isn't just juvenile rebellion and rejection of his value system, but also a crisis of faith and you've got plenty of material for a really interesting movie.

Let's try this: why didn't the older kid go to see their pastor? Why isn't a visit to church shown or even mentioned in the movie? Was his father the only religious authority in his life? These are some big, obvious, and I daresay intriguing angles Frailty leaves unexplored, in favor of an ending that's really implausible even before we learn that McConnaghey really can see peoples souls (How did a bunch of shallow graves in a public rose garden go unnoticed all this time? Why does McConnaghey tell his life story to the agent anyway? How did Powers Boothe Kill his mother when he was 30 when their last photo together shows him at 50? For starters)

Austin (Austin), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

not intentional i guess--but Days of Being Wild is baffling if you don't know why that scene is there (and even if you do it's fun to play possible meanings anyway)

ryan (ryan), Thursday, 20 January 2005 00:21 (twenty-one years ago)

not totally inexplicable but the ending of beau travail kinda comes out of nowhere (or i thought so)(not to say it's bad either, it's actually incredible)

joseph (joseph), Thursday, 20 January 2005 02:06 (twenty-one years ago)

ah good one!

ryan (ryan), Thursday, 20 January 2005 02:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Rosemary's Baby's ending made me laugh out loud
what an awesome punchline to a 2hr setup.

hairu satan!, Thursday, 20 January 2005 23:39 (twenty-one years ago)

two years pass...

A.I., which is kind of like a movie, a short film, and a 3-minute alien WTF stapled together with awesome results.

Abbott, Saturday, 9 June 2007 01:50 (eighteen years ago)

Rosemary's Baby's ending made me laugh out loud
what an awesome punchline to a 2hr setup.

otm! it's so fucked up: "yes we're Satanists and you just gave birth to the Antichrist but...isn't it great!"

latebloomer, Monday, 11 June 2007 22:15 (eighteen years ago)

that whole Oedipal mommy thing in AI is just creepy and fucked-up as hell!

latebloomer, Monday, 11 June 2007 22:17 (eighteen years ago)

Five easy pieces.

Birdy.

Rich Smörgasbord, Monday, 11 June 2007 23:01 (eighteen years ago)

reflections in a golden eye has a completely inexplicable ending, at least in the way it was filmed.

bobby bedelia, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 04:16 (eighteen years ago)

ocean's thirteen.

darraghmac, Thursday, 14 June 2007 03:17 (eighteen years ago)

i just watched "i'm a cyborg but thats ok" the new chan-wook park film and WTF is up with the last five minutes???? (i suspect a lot of people hate this film but i really enjoyed it)

zappi, Saturday, 16 June 2007 01:13 (eighteen years ago)

fat girl
12 monkeys
the deer hunter
parenthood

Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 05:01 (eighteen years ago)

Fear X (Nicolas Winding Refn, 2003) with John Turturro

Vido Liber, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 13:37 (eighteen years ago)

Michael Haneke's 'Hidden' ('Caché') totally rules this thread in every way. So frustrating, so wonderful.

Huey in Melbourne, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 03:54 (eighteen years ago)

so fraudulent.

As Good As It gets

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 15:24 (eighteen years ago)

John Sayles' Limbo
The Quiet Earth

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 20:11 (eighteen years ago)

one month passes...

What about Polanski's The Tenant? I know the whole story is so surreal that it's probably pointless to think about any logical explanation to it... But anyway, the only thing I can come up with is that Polanski's character is a product of the previous tenant's imagination, which explains why he starts wearing her clothes and thinking that he's her; so in the end she realizes it's all been a dream, and she's been tied to that hospital bed all along. Actually, this interpretation would bring it quite close to Lynch's Lost Highway (the whole film feels proto-Lynchian anyway), since in both them the main character turns into another person, and both of them a circular structure, where in the beginning and the end we see the same scene from the point of view of two different characters, except that they turn out to be the same character. But that would sound kinda too easy, because "it was a dream" is the most clichéd twist ending ever.

Tuomas, Monday, 13 August 2007 13:17 (eighteen years ago)

ten months pass...

not totally inexplicable but the ending of beau travail kinda comes out of nowhere (or i thought so)(not to say it's bad either, it's actually incredible)

-- joseph (joseph), Wednesday, January 19, 2005 9:06 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Link

When I first saw this last January I walked out of the theatre/my class kind of confused, and almost immediately after I fell into a sort of pensive melancholic phase that lasted a few weeks or so. Since, I've been constantly watching it on youtube (like 5-20 times in a week, once every month or two). I'd say I'm more or less obsessed with this sequence, it's just beautiful, I can't explain it. Something about this great cathartic, Dionysian burst of (relatively) unselfconscious expression that has made me certifiably glassy eyed on many occasions. Theres really a sort of primal beauty that I'd even dare call life affirming (and I mean this in a totally unironic way, in spite of the what one could perceive as entirely cheesiness.

I just felt like mentioning this. You can blame air canada for losing my fucking luggage and making me wait for it at home all fucking day for needless thread revives.

mehlt, Saturday, 5 July 2008 18:03 (seventeen years ago)

The Marriage of Maria Braun used to be cited for its ending, although I think I could explic it if I tried.

you have to compare it with the opening shot where the wall is broken to reveal the wedding.

jackie chan's Rumble in the Bronx was kind of like this, but only because he broke his ankle leaping onto a boat and they couldn't finish any of the film's closing action sequences...

Akira! it's been a while, but i think's supposed to represent the creation of an alternte universe where Akira-Tetsuo can exist without destroying the world.

Akira! it's been a while, but i think's supposed to represent the creation of an alternte universe where Akira-Tetsuo can exist without destroying the world.

poortheatre, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 23:13 (seventeen years ago)

The Last Wave!!!

sleeve, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 00:05 (seventeen years ago)

easy rider

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 00:19 (seventeen years ago)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ui8-b5ZCQnk

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7XtJ_Hp17Xk

latebloomer, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 10:44 (seventeen years ago)

I just hate that song at the end of Beau Travail, and chortled/ grimaced.

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 19:21 (seventeen years ago)


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