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Why is Citizen Kane so revered by EVERYONE?

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Not that I don't love it as much as the next guy. It just amazes me that I've never encountered any sort of backlash against it from any respectable group of film buffs. I know it's now widely agreed that Kane isn't the greatest film of all time (nor is it even Welles' best), but is there anyone who doesn't think this film is a masterpiece? For an American film to consistently top international polls of the greatest films of all time just boggles my mind.

― Anthony (Anthony F), Saturday, 22 January 2005 03:25 (twenty-one years ago)

why does it boggle your mind that an American film would top international polls? seems pretty much inevitable to me...

― ryan (ryan), Saturday, 22 January 2005 04:33 (twenty-one years ago)

But everyone hates America. Even most Americans.

― Anthony (Anthony F), Saturday, 22 January 2005 06:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I know a number of under-30s who consider it "boring."

Pauline Kael fanously wrote in her "Raising Kane" essay that it was "a SHALLOW masterpiece."

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 22 January 2005 17:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I've always considered it more of a masterpiece for Gregg Toland than for Welles.

― jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Saturday, 22 January 2005 18:24 (twenty-one years ago)

"I've always considered it more of a masterpiece for Gregg Toland than for Welles"

Why is that? This betrays an ignorance of Welles. More than being a fictionalized portrait of William Randolph Hearst, "Kane" also deconstructs the Welles persona – an actor with magnificent authority, a genius, but also a blowhard and self-destructive – with more acuity and daring than any of the wine commercials he filmed in the '70s and '80s.

"Citizen Kane" might be overrated – hell, just about everything is overrated – but it's a fantastically entertaining movie. Energy, brashness, confidence, great performances -- everything, in short, we expect from a mastepiece, even a shallow one. I can't imagine anyone who doesn't love film not acknowledging this.

Read David Thomson's "Rosebud" or Pauline Kael's "Raising Kane," two of the best book length studies on Welles.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 16:53 (twenty-one years ago)

More than being a fictionalized portrait of William Randolph Hearst, "Kane" also deconstructs the Welles persona – an actor with magnificent authority, a genius, but also a blowhard and self-destructive

All this really proves to me is that Welles was a self-indulgent, self-obsessed egomaniac. "Citizen Kane" doesn't appeal to me beyond is cinematographic accomplishments mainly because it set the tone for future grandiose "one-man epics" that just became more and more shallow.

Performances and sets, for the most part, were good. But that's not enough to carry a film for me, especially a so-called "masterpiece".

― jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 17:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, making a movie that deconstructs your persona seems like a bad thing.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 07:06 (twenty-one years ago)

can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not here, chris

― jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 13:23 (twenty-one years ago)

This whole thread appears to be swimming in an odd half-sarcasm-cum-backhanded-compliment vibe.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 14:44 (twenty-one years ago)

>it set the tone for future grandiose "one-man epics" that just became more and more shallow.

So we're back to The Aviator?

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

yes! (just kidding--haven't seen "the aviator" yet)

― jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 17:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm agreeing with you this time, Jay.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 18:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I now like other Welles as much -- Othello and Lady from Shanghai -- but c'mon, it's a fuckin' masterpiece.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm agreeing with you this time, Jay.

well, it's gotta happen every once in awhile.... :)

The "c'mon, it's a masterpiece" think could easily lead into a "film rockism" debate, but god knows I won't be the one to drag it to those levels. I just look at it as an achievement, with as many negatives as positive. The film did some great things for cinema, but it's success also limited it a great deal by becoming the formula or foundation for all dramatic narrative cinema to come after it.

― jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 22:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, that's like blaming Led Zeppelin for their shitty imitators. (tho I dislike LZ in isolation)

Welles himself acknowledged 'Rosebud' was a cheap gimmick, but the design, script, music etc are all great.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 22:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Exactly what "one-man epics" are you referring to? Like, "Dances with Wolves"?

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 22:30 (twenty-one years ago)


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