Recommend me some nice anti-nationalistic/anti-patriotic films

:)

Were you the one asking for same in chatz? If not, Mr. Freedom. If so, I can think of tons of films that are viciously critical (of the USA) but may not be explicitly anti-nationalistic/anti-patriotic.

If you care about those

I've never seen Dalton Trumbo's 1971 film of his novel Johnny Got His Gun, so I can't vouch for how nice it is.

Paths of Glory

Duck Soup -- Groucho under bombing siege:

"You're a brave man. Go and break through the lines. And remember, while you're out there risking your life and limb through shot and shell, we'll be in here thinking what a sucker you are."

The Best Man
Secret Honor

Starship Troopers
They Live
Barry Lyndon
Escape From NY/LA

i seem to be the only person who thought paths of glory was terribly overrated and emotionally/cerebrally vacant.

yup

bullshit!

WHOOPS!
I meant "Battle of Algiers." I loved "Paths of Glory". Coincidentally, I recently watched both of them in a class I'm taking, so thinking a bit too quickly, I swapped one for the other.

I loved Battle of Algiers a lot.

how could you even say you 'loved' it? to do that would be to say you were able to invest emotionally in the film on some level, which clearly is impossible. not only is the filmmaker too scared to take a side (he's just being fair! [no.]) but he refuses to allow the movie to paint a human face on the conflict. we don't come to know any of the characters, so we don't particularly care if they're blowing things up or getting blown up themselves. at the end, especially, i'm disgusted (in myself!) that i feel absolutely nothing for this little boy who's about to have his life cut short. the whole thing works as an extremely boring and tasteless documentary level, but this wasn't meant to be a documentary, was it? at the human level, it's a failure.

There are countless films I love that I am not able to invest in emotionally, Christopher Maclaine's The End (1953) perhaps being the greatest.

at the human level, it's a failure.

I guess I didn't think the film was trying to operate at that level. It reminded me more of a movie like Battleship Potemkin. The idea that a movie isn't a success unless you care about characters is very odd to me.

i can see what you're saying, but this isn't trying to be Battleship Potemkin. furthermore, after seeing Battleship Potemkin once, would you ever want to see it again? Sure, I loved it too, but when you've seen it once, why watch it again? but i digress; Battle of Algiers is no Battleship Potemkin. BP was a proto- and archetype of technique, while Algiers is just trying to tell an unbiased story. i just don't particularly care for the story in this case.